I think I am done with achievements

[QUOTE="Dredg11"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

Why? The purpose of gaming is to have fun. If people have fun increasing their Gamerscore, then they're accomplishing what any hobby is supposed to accomplish. You criticize gamers who play for points for being arrogant, then go on a public forum calling a certain form of gaming "lame."

DZBricktop

This certain "form of gaming" you're refering to, is being an achievement whore. That IS lame. If expressing that opinion makes me arrogant in your insignificant books, I can live with that.

You're lame. Go away.

You're missing Palantas point. Just because it's no fun to YOU, and YOU think it's lame, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. Who are you to say what's fun for me? To call someone lame because their opinion is different than yours, just makes me value your opinion less because you won't listen to mine. I don't enjoy it. But i can accept that other people do.

Wow...both you tards need to learn how to read. I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY" (Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E). Therefore, they're not having fun. They are making a chore out of playing a game JUST FOR POINTS!

If that's not lame, I don't know what is.

[QUOTE="DZBricktop"][QUOTE="Dredg11"]

This certain "form of gaming" you're refering to, is being an achievement whore. That IS lame. If expressing that opinion makes me arrogant in your insignificant books, I can live with that.

You're lame. Go away.

Dredg11

You're missing Palantas point. Just because it's no fun to YOU, and YOU think it's lame, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. Who are you to say what's fun for me? To call someone lame because their opinion is different than yours, just makes me value your opinion less because you won't listen to mine. I don't enjoy it. But i can accept that other people do.

Wow...both you tards need to learn how to read. I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY" (Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E). Therefore, they're not having fun. They are making a chore out of playing a game JUST FOR POINTS!

If that's not lame, I don't know what is.

If people ENJOY getting points, and they ENJOY achievements, who are you to say they don't want to play these games? If those games did NOT have achievements, then they probably wouldn't play them. But they do. And people ENJOY getting the points and achievements. So they ENJOY those games because they get the fun out of it they want. It's not our fault you can't wrap your head around the fact that someone might enjoy a game in a way you don't understand. The only thing lame, is that YOU can't accept that people enjoy other things than you.

This certain "form of gaming" you're refering to, is being an achievement whore. That IS lame. If expressing that opinion makes me arrogant in your insignificant books, I can live with that.

Dredg11

Yes, making value judgements about other peoples' hobbies is extremely presumptuous, by any standard. This is the same mindset that has people going around saying that gaming is silly and for children, and we should all read books, play golf, or go fishing.

You're lame. Go away.

Dredg11

I'd use the phrase "ad hominem attack," but I think it might be wasted on you.

Wow...both you tards need to learn how to read. I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY" (Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E). Therefore, they're not having fun. They are making a chore out of playing a game JUST FOR POINTS!

If that's not lame, I don't know what is.

Dredg11

So now you've determined that people who play for achievements are not having fun. On what did you base that diagnosis? I haven't done any research here, but I think it's a safe bet that people who play games just for achievements probably want to do so. I don't think anyone's forcing them to play Wall-E or whatever. Let me get this straight: Not only have you determined that certain peoples' hobbies are "lame," you can also tell better than they can how much fun they're having with it. Really? I'd love to know how you did this.

[QUOTE="Dredg11"][QUOTE="DZBricktop"]

You're missing Palantas point. Just because it's no fun to YOU, and YOU think it's lame, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. Who are you to say what's fun for me? To call someone lame because their opinion is different than yours, just makes me value your opinion less because you won't listen to mine. I don't enjoy it. But i can accept that other people do.

DZBricktop

Wow...both you tards need to learn how to read. I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY" (Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E). Therefore, they're not having fun. They are making a chore out of playing a game JUST FOR POINTS!

If that's not lame, I don't know what is.

If people ENJOY getting points, and they ENJOY achievements, who are you to say they don't want to play these games? If those games did NOT have achievements, then they probably wouldn't play them. But they do. And people ENJOY getting the points and achievements. So they ENJOY those games because they get the fun out of it they want. It's not our fault you can't wrap your head around the fact that someone might enjoy a game in a way you don't understand. The only thing lame, is that YOU can't accept that people enjoy other things than you.

lol...this is why you don't get into the firefight late.

I'm not the one who said they didn't wanna play it. But when you have people on your friends list playing a game like Kung Fu Panda, and you send them a message saying "Why are you playing a 5 year olds game?" and they reply "lol...to get 1000 points". That tells me they have no interest in the game.

To say that if those games didn't have achievements, they probably wouldn't play, is only proving my point further.

You don't even understand what we're talking about here.

The guy below me is a good example of what I'm talking about. He got 1000 points from A GAME HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY.

[QUOTE="Hawkeye747"]

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

shawn7324

I'm not the one who said they didn't wanna play it.

Dredg11

I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY"

Dredg11

I uh... All righty, then. Moving on...

I'm not the one who said they didn't wanna play it. But when you have people on your friends list playing a game like Kung Fu Panda, and you send them a message saying "Why are you playing a 5 year olds game?" and they reply "lol...to get 1000 points". That tells me they have no interest in the game.

Dredg11

So what if they have no interest in the game? They have an interest in the points, which (get this) is interesting to them, and therefore, fun.

The guy below me is a good example of what I'm talking about. He got 1000 points from A GAME HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY.

Dredg11

And again: What, did someone put a gun to his head and make him play Avatar? If he didn't want to play Avatar, at all, then he probably would not have.

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

I said "People are playing games THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY"

Palantas

I uh... All righty, then. Moving on...

I'm not the one who said they didn't wanna play it. But when you have people on your friends list playing a game like Kung Fu Panda, and you send them a message saying "Why are you playing a 5 year olds game?" and they reply "lol...to get 1000 points". That tells me they have no interest in the game.

Dredg11

So what if they have no interest in the game? They have an interest in the points, which (get this) is interesting to them, and therefore, fun.

The guy below me is a good example of what I'm talking about. He got 1000 points from A GAME HE DID NOT WANT TO PLAY.

Dredg11

And again: What, did someone put a gun to his head and make him play Avatar? If he didn't want to play Avatar, at all, then he probably would not have.

Wow...you're an astronomical nutsack. So now you're saying "So what if they have no interest in the game?". That was my point, people playing games they have no interest in, just for the points. Lame.

I understand that people don't have to play them, and nobody is making them. We clear on that? Maybe? Ok, good. But people are saying "No, I didn't wanna play it. But I sat through it anyway for the 1000 points on my Gamerscore.", or even worse "I had my buddy recover my profile and do it for me for the points."

I think (you know, my opinion - the purpose of a forum) that's lame.

Most other people would agree. You just like to respond, quote by quote, to just about everyone you respond to, in an attempt to "own" them. You obviously spend a lot of time on the internet argueing with people. Too bad you suck at it. You argue like a damn politician. Always going in circles.

Nice blog, btw...lol.

Most of your latest post is pointless insults and red herrings, so I'm going to ignore everything but this:

So now you're saying "So what if they have no interest in the game?". That was my point, people playing games they have no interest in, just for the points. Lame.

Dredg11

I understood your point perfectly. I already responded to it before you went on your mini-rant about me, but I'll do so again just so my point's clear: The only qualification for a good hobby is that someone enjoys it. If people like playing for points, then they're fulfilling that qualification. There's no "right way" to play games.

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LMAO dredg, give up dude. 

One guy doesn't seem to have the comprehension to actually READ what you type and just keeps repeating the same thing, the other seems like he is so high up on his horse that he cant even reach the soapbox he used to get up there.

I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well.

I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well.

Hawkeye747

Since you've joined the discussion, perhaps you can tell me why playing games for one reason is any better than playing them for another, if you're having a good time doing it. Dredg has been completely unable to do this so far, with most of his post real estate being given over to personal attacks and blatant contradictions. Maybe you can make some more sense of this.

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

Hawkeye747

[QUOTE="Hawkeye747"]

I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well.

Palantas

Since you've joined the discussion, perhaps you can tell me why playing games for one reason is any better than playing them for another, if you're having a good time doing it. Dredg has been completely unable to do this so far, with most of his post real estate being given over to personal attacks and blatant contradictions. Maybe you can make some more sense of this.

lol...whatever buddy. You just use semantics in a lame attempt to get your point across.

"Perhaps you can tell me why playing games for one reason is any better than playing them for another, if you're having a good time doing it."

This is the point your failing to see. THEY ARE NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME. If that's what you think, we're not even talking about the same people.

I'm talking about the blatant achievement whores, who play a game, with or without interest, for the SOLE PURPOSE of getting achievement points. The only thing lamer than doing that, is trying to defend it, as you are.

[QUOTE="Hawkeye747"]

I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well.

Palantas

Since you've joined the discussion, perhaps you can tell me why playing games for one reason is any better than playing them for another, if you're having a good time doing it. Dredg has been completely unable to do this so far, with most of his post real estate being given over to personal attacks and blatant contradictions. Maybe you can make some more sense of this.

Who said anything about one being BETTER than the other? I said I think it is lame. Thats my opinion, I have a few million of them. Arguing about how an apple is better than an orange is not in my opinions. The object of gaming is to have fun, if you slog through hours of "not fun" to get 1000 points on your GS then that is lame IMO. That's pretty much exactly what dredg said as well and you managed to turn it into a "my reason for gaming versus yours" debate like a seasoned troll. Congrats.

I said I think it is lame. Thats my opinion, I have a few million of them.

Hawkeye747

That's fine. You can have whatever opinion you like, but when you post it up in a public forum, expect it to be criticized if it doesn't make sense, particularly if it insults other people. If you don't feel that you have to justify your opinion to me or anyone (which you don't), then move on. Of course, you didn't express it as your opinion; you just stated it as a fact. Speaking of that, you're telling other gamers that what they're doing with their free time is lame...but I'm supposedly trolling.

Moving on, I'll respond to both of these at once, since they're saying the same thing:

This is the point your failing to see. THEY ARE NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME. If that's what you think, we're not even talking about the same people.

Dredg11

I already asked you how you determined whether or not someone's having a good time, and you just ignored it and responded with insults. I figured we'd go with the simple explanation, that if someone's doing something in their spare time that no one is forcing them to do, then they're probably enjoying it. Yeah, I guess I agree that if someone is deliberately making himself consistently miserable with gaming, then there's something wrong with that. However, I don't I think that's what most achievement gamers are doing. There are lots of hobbies that are goal-oriented, where the finished product is what a person enjoys, not necessarily the making/doing of it. Example: I don't enjoy working out, but I do enjoy looking good/being healthy.

If that's what you think, we're not even talking about the same people.

Dredg11

So, are you saying that you weren't speaking to people who play for achievements in general, you were just talking about some tiny, tiny percentage of gamers who play for achievements, get no pay-off from it, and are generally miserable because of it?

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[QUOTE="Hawkeye747"]

That's fine. You can have whatever opinion you like, but when you post it up in a public forum, expect it to be criticized if it doesn't make sense, particularly if it insults other people. If you don't feel that you have to justify your opinion to me or anyone (which you don't), then move on. Of course, you didn't express it as your opinion; you just stated it as a fact. Speaking of that, you're telling other gamers that what they're doing with their free time is lame...but I'm supposedly trolling.

Moving on, I'll respond to both of these at once, since they're saying the same thing:

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

This is the point your failing to see. THEY ARE NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME. If that's what you think, we're not even talking about the same people.

Palantas

I already asked you how you determined whether or not someone's having a good time, and you just ignored it and responded with insults. I figured we'd go with the simple explanation, that if someone's doing something in their spare time that no one is forcing them to do, then they're probably enjoying it. Yeah, I guess I agree that if someone is deliberately making himself consistently miserable with gaming, then there's something wrong with that. However, I don't I think that's what most achievement gamers are doing. There are lots of hobbies that are goal-oriented, where the finished product is what a person enjoys, not necessarily the making/doing of it. Example: I don't enjoy working out, but I do enjoy looking good/being healthy.

If that's what you think, we're not even talking about the same people.

Dredg11

So, are you saying that you weren't speaking to people who play for achievements in general, you were just talking about some tiny, tiny percentage of gamers who play for achievements, get no pay-off from it, and are generally miserable because of it?

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ugh...Go play in traffic or something. You win, troll.

edit: Looking at your profile reveals a lot about you. I'm starting to understand why you argue like a politician. You're in the military. I take back that "go play in traffic" with "go play in a gunfight".

I pity you. I really do.

This guy is basically the definition of a tool. Let him troll on his own.

The funniest part is this though. You said "Of course, you didn't express it as an opinion; you stated it as fact.". My exact wording was "I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well". The part where I said "I THINK" makes it an opinion... not a statement of fact.

Hawkeye747

You're correct. I misread your statement up there, and you did in fact preface it with "I think." I was wrong about that bit, and I apologize.

Fortunately, that mistake doesn't significantly change my argument. Edit my post to read:

That's fine. You can have whatever opinion you like, but when you post it up in a public forum, expect it to be criticized if it doesn't make sense, particularly if it insults other people. You're telling other gamers that what they're doing with their free time is lame...but I'm supposedly trolling.

I

Now that I've apologized for my mistake, and we've cleared that up, you can actually respond to the issues being raised.

I thought you were leaving. This is off-topic, so I'll try to keep it short.

edit: Looking at your profile reveals a lot about you. I'm starting to understand why you argue like a politician. You're in the military. I take back that "go play in traffic" with "go play in a gunfight".

Dredg11

Looking at my profile reveals a lot about me....like that I'm in the military. Yup. It says so. But "I argue like a politician"? That makes no sense at all. Political campaigns are saturated with personal attacks, appeals to motive, and a lots of other nonsense. I'll give you a couple quick examples.

Personal attack:

Wow...you're an astronomical nutsack.

Dredg11

Appeal to motive:

I get the feeling he's a closet achievement whore.

Dredg11

Anyway, this is getting too long. No, I don't argue like a politician. I haven't once questioned who you are, why you're posting here, or how you're posting here, because they have nothing to do with the argument.

I thought you were leaving. This is off-topic, so I'll try to keep it short.

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

Looking at my profile reveals a lot about me....like that I'm in the military. Yup. It says so. But "I argue like a politician"? That makes no sense at all. Political campaigns are saturated with personal attacks, appeals to motive, and a lots of other nonsense. I'll give you a couple quick examples.

Personal attack:

[QUOTE="Dredg11"] May I dare say owned?

[QUOTE="Dredg11"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="Hawkeye747"]

The funniest part is this though. You said "Of course, you didn't express it as an opinion; you stated it as fact.". My exact wording was "I think it is lame to play a game PURELY for the achievement points as well". The part where I said "I THINK" makes it an opinion... not a statement of fact.

Palantas

You're correct. I misread your statement up there, and you did in fact preface it with "I think." I was wrong about that bit, and I apologize.

Fortunately, that mistake doesn't significantly change my argument. Edit my post to read:

That's fine. You can have whatever opinion you like, but when you post it up in a public forum, expect it to be criticized if it doesn't make sense, particularly if it insults other people. You're telling other gamers that what they're doing with their free time is lame...but I'm supposedly trolling.

I

Now that I've apologized for my mistake, and we've cleared that up, you can actually respond to the issues being raised.

No, just go to Iraq and get shot or something.

Wow, talk about low. You are telling someone to die because they made a simple mistake while reading a post. I mean to be completely offensive when I say, you come off as total scum for saying something like that.

Sure, if quoting a person multiple times in a thread means owned.

This guy is a tool. He uses semantics to get his point across. It's all word play.

I said (not in so many words): I have a few people on my friend's list on Xbox Live who I see playing kid games on Xbox Live every now and then. Games like Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E, Surf's Up...etc.

So, once I got a chuckle out of seeing a guy on my list playing "Wall-E". So I asked him what was up with that. This guy is usually playing Gears of War and COD. So, the reply I got was "lol I'm just doing it to get the 1000 points."

Now, if you talk to achievement whores out there, they'll tell you that they play some games ONLY for the points. They don't really wanna play the game. They just want the points.

I said "I think it's lame that people play games they don't really wanna play, just to get the points."

Then, I have this douchy guy, repeatedly telling me "Nobody is putting a gun to their head, making them play. They don't have to play if they don't want to"...etc etc.

I think that goes without saying, genius.

He's just taking the words too literally, twisting words to give them a different meaning. Even after I explain time and time again, the retard doesn't get it.

I guess it's true what they say, failures go to the military.

I thought you were leaving? I should just be ignoring you. Damn. Here goes:

Dredg seems to think that playing games for achievements is stupid. I responded that to some people, earning achievements is more important than the game itself. Dredg responded that this isn't fun, and that the people who do it aren't having fun. I questioned him twice on his basis for this conclusion, and gave examples of another hobby which functions in a similar manner...to which he replied that he hopes I die.

There. I summed up everything without quotes. ;) What's as disturbing as his ill will towards his fellow man is the fact that Dredg believes this wins him the argument.

I thought you were leaving? I should just be ignoring you. Damn. Here goes:

Dredg seems to think that playing games for achievements is stupid. I responded that to some people, earning achievements is more important than the game itself. Dredg responded that this isn't fun, and that the people who do it aren't having fun. I questioned him twice on his basis for this conclusion, and gave examples of another hobby which functions in a similar manner...to which he replied that he hopes I die.

There. I summed up everything without quotes. ;) What's as disturbing as his ill will towards his fellow man is the fact that Dredg believes this wins him the argument.

Palantas

lol...I guess you're dumber than I thought. Read my posts again, you'll see that I provided you with examples of players on my friends list playing something like Wall-E, and said he was only doing it for the points.

If you can't grasp the concept of an achievement whore, that's too bad. If you don't think being an achievement whore is lame, that's your opinion. But if you look through the thread, or anything that discusses them, you'll see the general concensus is that achievements mean crap, and that achievement whores are lame.

Like I said, you're pretty defensive about achievements. So you must be a closet achievement whore, in addition to being "Biggest Douche in the Universe."

That's right, my friend. You've beaten John Edwards for the title!

and, btw, I have no ill will towards my fellow man when he's not being a complete troll. But people like you aren't worth the air they breathe.

Read my posts again, you'll see that I provided you with examples of players on my friends list playing something like Wall-E, and said he was only doing it for the points.

Dredg11

I read that example a couple times. I didn't respond to it, because it doesn't really address anything. Your friend said he was playing Wall-E for points. And...? And what? Did he go on to say that he was hating the experience, and that even after getting the points from the game, he was still unhappy with the whole affair? I never claimed that people don't play games just for achievements. I claimed that if someone is playing a game just for achievements, that there's A.) Nothing wrong with that, and B.) They probably enjoy the whole process by virtue of the fact that they're doing it. Your example completely fails to address either one of these points, which is why I just ignored it.

While we're on the subject of examples, why don't you address the example I gave of a hobby where someone enjoys the end result, and not the process of getting there? What's more, I'll give you another one, a gaming example: A person playing an MMO enjoys having a max level character and raiding with their guild. They did not enjoy much of the grind to get there. Conclusion: Well, if I were you, I'd conclude that these people are lame for not doing something they enjoy every minute of. It would not surprise me at all if you came to that conclusion. You've already insulted everyone in the armed forces and a lot of gamers. Why not add some more of the GameSpot population to your list?

But if you look through the thread, or anything that discusses them, you'll see the general concensus is that achievements mean crap, and that achievement whores are lame.

Dredg11

Your magical intuition into what other people think and feel not withstanding, if you look into this thread, you'll find that the vast majority of posts address whether individual gamers like or dislike achievements. Most like them. Some don't care about them. Some dislike them. A small number of people, like yourself, think that some hobbies are "lame," while others are not, based on absolutely nothing.

(Insults and red herrings)

Dredg11

Of course you think I'm terrible person. I'm arguing with you. You're someone who thinks people are lame who don't have the exact same hobbies as you do. It's no surprise that you want someone to die who disagrees with you in public.

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I claimed that if someone is playing a game just for achievements, that there's A.) Nothing wrong with thatPalantas

I, and many others, think that's lame. That was my only point. If you disagree, fine. I don't care.

Fine. Like I told the last guy: If you post up your opinions on a public forum, expect them to come under criticism if they make no sense, especially if they insult people on that forum. If you don't feel a need to justify your opinion, then leave.Palantas

Saying it's lame is my opinion. Justification is completely subjective. Some people will agree that playing a game solely for points is lame, others won't. I'm not the only person who thinks achievement whores are lame. You seem to think I'm alone here.

Somehow, I think if I were to start a poll (and that's my next move), people would agree that achievement whores are lame.

I'm sorry you got butthurt because you're a closet achievement whore.

Yes, I understand you have a right to go around forums expressing opinions that make absolutely no sense. Celebrating your right and ability to do this is not exactly commendable. And it's terrific that you can find people who agree with you. If your opinion is a popular one, then I'd think you would have an easier time making some sense of it.

Here's this again, since you just ignored it:

While we're on the subject of examples, why don't you address the example I gave of a hobby where someone enjoys the end result, and not the process of getting there? What's more, I'll give you another one, a gaming example: A person playing an MMO enjoys having a max level character and raiding with their guild. They did not enjoy much of the grind to get there. Conclusion: Well, if I were you, I'd conclude that these people are lame for not doing something they enjoy every minute of. It would not surprise me at all if you came to that conclusion. You've already insulted everyone in the armed forces and a lot of gamers. Why not add some more of the GameSpot population to your list?

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I usually only work hard to get achievements on games I play a lot, and ones that I feel are realistic. I may never beat so-and-so a game on super mega ultra hard mode, but if I can accomplish a challenge that I feel I can work towards and reach, then I'll go for it.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]Fine. Like I told the last guy: If you post up your opinions on a public forum, expect them to come under criticism if they make no sense, especially if they insult people on that forum. If you don't feel a need to justify your opinion, then leave.Dredg11

Saying it's lame is my opinion. Justification is completely subjective. Some people will agree that playing a game solely for points is lame, others won't. I'm not the only person who thinks achievement whores are lame. You seem to think I'm alone here.

Somehow, I think if I were to start a poll (and that's my next move), people would agree that achievement whores are lame.

I'm sorry you got butthurt because you're a closet achievement whore.

And somehow, it seems that more gamers like achievements than dislike which would make that statement completely wrong. Just because you poll a few people on Gamespot doesn't mean you actually have an idea of what gamers as a whole think. It just depends where you post it. I have a feeling if you went to a site like destructoid which is for "hardcore gamers" you'd get a completely different result from what you do here. If you were to poll the casual gamer who doesn't play much, he would agree with you. It just all depends on who you're asking.

Just throwing this out there, you don't have to play Brothers in Arms 100 days straight. Just 100 days and that just requires loading up the main menu. Then the achievment is possible to glitch so it's not like they're asking for alot.dukebd699

I didn't think that it would ever come to this, I loved my achievements. I would chase 1000/1000 on every game I owned even if it looked like I would never get it, I had all the achievement whore sites listed under my favourites and visted them almost everyday. But lately I have just grown tired of it, I think it really struck when I was playing Brothers in Arms, looking through the achievements and coming to the obessed one (Play the game everyday while connected to Live for 100 days straight). No! No I don't want to. I thought.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game and am playing it through again on the harder difficulty but are they kidding with achievements like this? Can you really call this an achievement? All it says to me is that we want free advertising by having our game show up on your recently played list for 100 days. Games are littered with ones like this now particularly the dreaded play X number of multiplayer games. How much skill can it take to connect to a game 1000 times and thus how have you "achieved" anything by this?

I will still be going for the odd point or two and still hope to someday hit 50k, but I'm just no longer chasing them. Microsoft and now Sony need to call foul on some of the things that get classed as achievements by the developer, just something basic like it needs to require at least a small level of skill. Even completing the first level of a game requires you to gain a small amount of understanding of how to play, but things like play the game for 100 days or play 1000 matches of MP don't even require you to play the game at all (if you apply the minimum effort).

ALLoY1717

[QUOTE="dukebd699"]Just throwing this out there, you don't have to play Brothers in Arms 100 days straight. Just 100 days and that just requires loading up the main menu. Then the achievment is possible to glitch so it's not like they're asking for alot.ALLoY1717