I think I am done with achievements

I didn't think that it would ever come to this, I loved my achievements. I would chase 1000/1000 on every game I owned even if it looked like I would never get it, I had all the achievement whore sites listed under my favourites and visted them almost everyday. But lately I have just grown tired of it, I think it really struck when I was playing Brothers in Arms, looking through the achievements and coming to the obessed one (Play the game everyday while connected to Live for 100 days straight). No! No I don't want to. I thought.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game and am playing it through again on the harder difficulty but are they kidding with achievements like this? Can you really call this an achievement? All it says to me is that we want free advertising by having our game show up on your recently played list for 100 days. Games are littered with ones like this now particularly the dreaded play X number of multiplayer games. How much skill can it take to connect to a game 1000 times and thus how have you "achieved" anything by this?

I will still be going for the odd point or two and still hope to someday hit 50k, but I'm just no longer chasing them. Microsoft and now Sony need to call foul on some of the things that get classed as achievements by the developer, just something basic like it needs to require at least a small level of skill. Even completing the first level of a game requires you to gain a small amount of understanding of how to play, but things like play the game for 100 days or play 1000 matches of MP don't even require you to play the game at all (if you apply the minimum effort).

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

Hawkeye747

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

Glad to know that im not alone on some achievements going below the belt. companies like Valve needs to realize that not everyone spends 24/7 on their games.Arclight_Blue

Are you talking about Orange Box, because even though there's a lot of achievements, they're not hard to get at all.

meh, i started feeling this way 2 months after owning the console since launch...achievements are nice, but if you focus mainly on getting them rather than enjoying the experience, well...then gaming starts to feel stale and boring imo.

im glad my eyes opened early enough or else i would have rushed through so many great games.

I didn't think that it would ever come to this, I loved my achievements. I would chase 1000/1000 on every game I owned even if it looked like I would never get it, I had all the achievement whore sites listed under my favourites and visted them almost everyday. But lately I have just grown tired of it, I think it really struck when I was playing Brothers in Arms, looking through the achievements and coming to the obessed one (Play the game everyday while connected to Live for 100 days straight). No! No I don't want to. I thought.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game and am playing it through again on the harder difficulty but are they kidding with achievements like this? Can you really call this an achievement? All it says to me is that we want free advertising by having our game show up on your recently played list for 100 days. Games are littered with ones like this now particularly the dreaded play X number of multiplayer games. How much skill can it take to connect to a game 1000 times and thus how have you "achieved" anything by this?

I will still be going for the odd point or two and still hope to someday hit 50k, but I'm just no longer chasing them. Microsoft and now Sony need to call foul on some of the things that get classed as achievements by the developer, just something basic like it needs to require at least a small level of skill. Even completing the first level of a game requires you to gain a small amount of understanding of how to play, but things like play the game for 100 days or play 1000 matches of MP don't even require you to play the game at all (if you apply the minimum effort).

ALLoY1717

I've never really paid much attention to achievements; I usually just play games however I like and get achievements just by doing regular stuff. I can only think of 2 or 3 that I actually sat down and decided to get.

But I agree, anything that forces you to play for X days, especially consecutive, is just BS. I'm starting to hate microsoft more and more; with achievements like this and the NXE's blatant attempt to get MS more money, I'm not sure what they're becoming.

I'm starting to hate microsoft more and more; with achievements like this and the NXE's blatant attempt to get MS more money, I'm not sure what they're becoming.

Motza22

Microsoft does not create the Achievements the devs do. Sony has VERY similar Trophies with the same requirements. Also how is NXE a "blatant" attempt at getting more money? Enlighten me.

Without an extra incentive to motivate me to play I won't. It's like working at your job going above the job description to attain a new position or raise. I don't do it because I LOVE my job or even enjoy my job. Those are carrotts dangling in front of me to motivate me to work harder to get something more. I have no issues in admitting this.thegame1980

LOL I am not saying you're wrong but IMO you shouldn't need any motivation or incentives to play recreational games. If you're at a point where you're comparing games to your work, then I think you have a "different" outlook on life to me. I think games should be something you are keen to play when you have spare time, not something that you need to be motivated for. All games get old eventually, but I've never needed incentives to play them... I play them for fun, and if that's gone, then I dont bother.

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I'm starting to hate microsoft more and more; with achievements like this and the NXE's blatant attempt to get MS more money, I'm not sure what they're becoming.

thegame1980

Microsoft does not create the Achievements the devs do. Sony has VERY similar Trophies with the same requirements. Also how is NXE a "blatant" attempt at getting more money? Enlighten me.

First of all, there are several games that are designed and owned by Xbox and Microsoft. And they regulate the achievement regardless of who made them. I'm not saying they tell them what to make an achievement, but they definitely take a look at it.

And please, try to explain to me how the NXE isn't a blatant attempt to make money.

It's now impossible to play XBL without a hard drive. Now the usefullness of hard drives has sky rocketed, but prices haven't budged (and don't expect them to). In a month or so, MS is coming out with a STORE so you can BUY more clothes for your avatar. On top of that, there are tons of new games that you can buy and play with just your avatar. It seems like every "perk" that came with the NXE has about 1000 ways for MS to get money out of it. Don't like the theme? well your old ones don't work, and the new ones are more expensive! So break out your credit card!

Honestly, anyone who doesn't see this as clear as day is a douche. The NXE's sole purpose was to find a way for MS to rake in the cash this season, with hard drives and point cards. I don't think anyone can argue differently

I can see where you are coming from, but it is only really a problem for the self proclaimed "achievement whores". For those that aren't obsessed with getting achievements, it's not even a slight issue. Achievements are just small extra's for those that want to try and get them. If they seem like a chore to you, then you shouldn't be trying to get them IMO.

I'd prefer for the true fans of certain games to be the ones that get 1000/1000 rather than the ones that just play games for achievement points. Anyone that has that Avatar game, where you get 1000 achievement points in 2 minute, in their history is 99% for sure an achievement whore IMO.

I have no doubt you are a true gamer and would have gotten 1000/1000 on a ton of games even if you weren't an achievement chaser, but if they seem like work to get them, then maybe you shouldn't bother.  I think achievements like "Obsessed" are meant for people that are really obsessed with their game, not for those obsessed with achievements.

[QUOTE="thegame1980"][QUOTE="Motza22"]

I'm starting to hate microsoft more and more; with achievements like this and the NXE's blatant attempt to get MS more money, I'm not sure what they're becoming.

Motza22

Microsoft does not create the Achievements the devs do. Sony has VERY similar Trophies with the same requirements. Also how is NXE a "blatant" attempt at getting more money? Enlighten me.

First of all, there are several games that are designed and owned by Xbox and Microsoft. And they regulate the achievement regardless of who made them. I'm not saying they tell them what to make an achievement, but they definitely take a look at it.

And please, try to explain to me how the NXE isn't a blatant attempt to make money.

It's now impossible to play XBL without a hard drive. Now the usefullness of hard drives has sky rocketed, but prices haven't budged (and don't expect them to). In a month or so, MS is coming out with a STORE so you can BUY more clothes for your avatar. On top of that, there are tons of new games that you can buy and play with just your avatar. It seems like every "perk" that came with the NXE has about 1000 ways for MS to get money out of it. Don't like the theme? well your old ones don't work, and the new ones are more expensive! So break out your credit card!

Honestly, anyone who doesn't see this as clear as day is a douche. The NXE's sole purpose was to find a way for MS to rake in the cash this season, with hard drives and point cards. I don't think anyone can argue differently

Well, of course its MS's attempt to cash in....especially with the holidays around the corner. But remember, a lot of things you mentioned aren't requirements...example being the clothing for avatars. I would never spend a dime on any sort of accessory for my character, which i could care less about. My themes work fine...i havent encountered any issues with that area. And the HDD was always a requirement to play online...thats why they started offering Arcade owners a 20gb HDD for $20. As much as i dislike NXE, it's given a 'new skin' to what was looking drab and dated for 360. Plus, i find the OS runs a lot better with the new dash, so i'm all for it. I ain't going to spend an extra $ for NXE...you shouldn't either.

I stopped caring about my score after I hit 10,000 I'll still go for some achievements, but I will not go buy Gears of War because I never got Seriously.. or beat the game on Insane, I borrowed it from a friend, beat it, got my fill of multiplayer and I've moved on, I'll try to get 1000/1000 on Dead Space because I love the game, and I'm sure other games will make me feel that way, but with some of the new achievements they're cooking up... let's just say I'll probably stop at 950 on Gears 2 because it's fun, but dedicating myself to 100,000 kills I think will get a bit daunting.

First of all, there are several games that are designed and owned by Xbox and Microsoft. And they regulate the achievement regardless of who made them. I'm not saying they tell them what to make an achievement, but they definitely take a look at it.

And please, try to explain to me how the NXE isn't a blatant attempt to make money.

It's now impossible to play XBL without a hard drive. Now the usefullness of hard drives has sky rocketed, but prices haven't budged (and don't expect them to). In a month or so, MS is coming out with a STORE so you can BUY more clothes for your avatar. On top of that, there are tons of new games that you can buy and play with just your avatar. It seems like every "perk" that came with the NXE has about 1000 ways for MS to get money out of it. Don't like the theme? well your old ones don't work, and the new ones are more expensive! So break out your credit card!

Honestly, anyone who doesn't see this as clear as day is a ******. The NXE's sole purpose was to find a way for MS to rake in the cash this season, with hard drives and point cards. I don't think anyone can argue differently

Motza22

LMAO, I dont even know where to start with this. You said MS take a look at the achievements? Wow, go figure.

It's impossible to play online without a HDD and prices wont budge? Did you see the FREE 512 memory cards they gave away or the $20 20GB HDD's or maybe you saw the console price drop to $199, $299, $399?

No one is forced to spend a single penny on OPTIONAL clothing for their avatars and using your FREE avatar in a game wont cost you any more money than buying the game anyway.

As for MS trying to rake in cash this holiday season. WTF? Isn't that the WHOLE FREAKIN POINT OF BUSINESS? They should try every possible way they can think of to make money. It's our job to use our brain before we spend it.

First of all, there are several games that are designed and owned by Xbox and Microsoft. And they regulate the achievement regardless of who made them. I'm not saying they tell them what to make an achievement, but they definitely take a look at it.

And please, try to explain to me how the NXE isn't a blatant attempt to make money.

It's now impossible to play XBL without a hard drive. Now the usefullness of hard drives has sky rocketed, but prices haven't budged (and don't expect them to). In a month or so, MS is coming out with a STORE so you can BUY more clothes for your avatar. On top of that, there are tons of new games that you can buy and play with just your avatar. It seems like every "perk" that came with the NXE has about 1000 ways for MS to get money out of it. Don't like the theme? well your old ones don't work, and the new ones are more expensive! So break out your credit card!

Honestly, anyone who doesn't see this as clear as day is a douche. The NXE's sole purpose was to find a way for MS to rake in the cash this season, with hard drives and point cards. I don't think anyone can argue differently

Motza22

Ok let me break it down for you since you seem to be seeing things in what i like to call "tunnel vision"

REGARDLESS if the game is created by Microsoft Studios or not again... IT IS THE DEVS WHO CREATE THE ACHIEVEMENTS! Microsoft Studios simply FUNDS the development. LIONHEAD (creators of Fable) do not have Microsoft reps creating the games and coming up with outlandish Achievements to obtain Microsoft only give their devs VAST amounts of money to create exclusive games for their console. Does Microsoft over see the Achievements of course they do but they do not tell them to create these time consuming Achievements. DEVS COME UP WITH THEM. WHY? Because sometimes Achievements are just too damn easy to abuse (Avatar TLAB) and mean nothing, also of course DEVS want you to play their games more they worked hard on it so GOOD games give you a WIDE variety of Acheivements. Easy ones you get by simply playing (Beat stage 1,2,3 so on and so on). Middle road Achievements. (Get 30 melee kills) for those who wish to change up the pace. Online ones for those who enjoy online gaming with friends, clans or for competition, then the time consumers for the hardcore players. Until you know the facts don't just throw out stupid rants.

For one fleeting moment you are correct NXE needs a harddrive BUT where you fail is this. Microsoft has already stated those who need more room can apply for a FREE memory card with sufficent room to download the NXE FOR FREE OR upgrade to a 20 gig harddrive for 20 bucks! 20 bucks that's good. So I can CLEARLY see the prices HAVE budged you just don't see the whole picture. Now onto your Avatar Store. Yes Microsoft will create some sort of Avatar store but again if you read or listended to ANYTHING that was said SOME items will cost points others will not, some will come included with newer games and some will become unlocked by getting certain Achievements. Also let's not forget you simply DO NOT HAVE TO PURCHASE SAID ITEMS IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO! Was that clear enough to you? Let's take a look at something else as well. Sony is launching HOME sometime in the near 4 years right? Well they TOO have an Avatar based system that you can dress and change the look of. You HONESTLY think they won't charge for extra clothes or items? In fact they are! They stated so already but just like Microsoft some will be free some won't it's up to YOU and how bad you want these items if you pay or not. ALSO HOME will feature virtual homes where furniture and other doo-dads will be available to decorate your home with. Again costing money. It's not just Microsoft doing this. Where there's room to make money....why not? In the end it's up to you if you want to pay for these things. Me? I'm happy with my Avatar cause he looks like me without the need for extra items. FINALLY you're even more ridicouls rant on Avatar based games. Right now there are only 4 games that support avatars all of which CAN BE PLAYED WITHOUT THEM! Uno, Kingdom for Kefflings, Scene It Box Office Smash and one other I can't remember but NONE cost extra to do so. In fact i own UNO and Scene It and have played Scene It before and after the NXE and only paid the orginally asking price of $39.99 there's no extra charge for this not to mention if you don't use your Avatars all the games give you the option of using in game characters like Kingdom of Kefflings and Scene It, also again if they do ever release Avatar only games it will be up to you if you care to purchase them same as ANY OTHER Marketplace release. Same situation with themes up to you to pay for them I have the FREE standard 2.0 theme and it works flawlessly. Older themes do work but some are better then others and actually some games even upgraded their older themes like Fable II and Gears for free.

So call me names all you want but here is PROOF of someone who only saw things from one persepctive and knew only a fraction of the situation and used it to create a horrible rant with misinformed knowledge. Now who's the douche?

I got the Avatar 1000 points only because my friends nephew had the game as I would never actually pay money to even rent garbage like that. I won't play a game I absolutely can't stand, no matter how easy the achievements may be. I buy & play games I know I will enjoy. I may buy & play a whole bunch of games, but the purpose is always to have fun & achievements are just extras within that process.shawn7324

I love stuff like this. You say, "I won't play a game I absolutely can't stand, no matter how easy the achievements may be." Explain to me again how you managed to get 1000 points in game you said you won't even rent because it's such garbage, when you supposedly won't even play a game you can't stand?

I gave up on achievements along time ago. They used to be fun to me. Although i was never an "achievement whore" that played games just for points. You can check my profile, no Avatar on mine. But the achievements themselves seem to have lost the enjoyment they used to give me. Some achievements, like beating CoD4 on Veteran, or Gears 2 on Insane, are still fun to me. Because i like those games and i want to beat it on those difficulties anyway. But it seems more and more achievements are about "Heal a fellow Survivor when your own health is below 10.", or "Kill 10 enemies with a grenade while down but not out". Achievements like this are the kinds that you just stumble across during normal gameplay. But if you don't earn them while just playing normally, they aren't any fun to try and attempt to earn. For me, achievements just aren't fun anymore.

And to all you guys claiming to know eveything and say you can get a free memory card or $20 harddrive. That only applies to people that bought the original core system that had no memory of any kind. That does NOT apply to everyone, even Arcade buyers. Although Arcade owners CAN get a refurbished 20 gig and a 3 month subscription for $29.99. LINKDZBricktop

Arcade buyers have a memory card they can use and even at 30 bucks it's still better then 120 right?

I never understood achievements. They're fun to get while playing normally and stumbling upon randomly, but what's really the point? Why get achievements? It's like playing a MMORPG for 10 more hours just to level up, there's no point.Acronomic

To YOU there is no point to these things. YOU are not everyone.

[QUOTE="DZBricktop"]And to all you guys claiming to know eveything and say you can get a free memory card or $20 harddrive. That only applies to people that bought the original core system that had no memory of any kind. That does NOT apply to everyone, even Arcade buyers. Although Arcade owners CAN get a refurbished 20 gig and a 3 month subscription for $29.99. LINKthegame1980

Arcade buyers have a memory card they can use and even at 30 bucks it's still better then 120 right?

Oh and thegame1980 needs to clam down, i don't want my thread locked thanks. Can we just stay on the discussion of achievements. I understand your view on achievements I would have said the same thing a few months ago. But as someone already said the game should be your motivation not the grinding of achievements. For instance right now I am playing Gears 2 with a friend, I just got it today (would have had it eariler but it took forever to come in the post) I have a 1000/1000 in Gears 1 and will probably get 1000/1000 in Gears 2 but that is only beause I love Gears so much, it is no longer about I MUST HAVE 1000 MORE POINTS!

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[QUOTE="DZBricktop"]And to all you guys claiming to know eveything and say you can get a free memory card or $20 harddrive. That only applies to people that bought the original core system that had no memory of any kind. That does NOT apply to everyone, even Arcade buyers. Although Arcade owners CAN get a refurbished 20 gig and a 3 month subscription for $29.99. LINKALLoY1717

Arcade buyers have a memory card they can use and even at 30 bucks it's still better then 120 right?

Of course PC harddrives are cheaper but Microsoft has a lock down with their forms of memory. My statement of cheap is that they charge $99 for the 20gig in stores like Best Buy and so on but Microsoft now offers an upgrade plan for $30 WITH three month Gold LIVE subscription (retail $20)

I have to put on my PC gamer hat for this. Hard drives are cheap, you will see in my sig I have 2 500GB HDD's in my PC which cost me less that buying 1 360 120GB drive. Bottom line is Microsoft do rip you off over the HDD, if you wanted/needed an HDD you should have picked up a better bundle. The being said they must be reason behind the pricing model, something like for only X bucks more I can get the elite.......ALLoY1717

No, no, no. Dont even give ANY sort of foundation for a PC vs 360 drivelfest! Save that for Console Wars.

I think everyone would agree the HDD's are expensive but I think the method behind the madness is to make sure there are only "Official" 360 HDD's and to MINIMISE (someone will always find a way) hacking/cheaters.

[QUOTE="Arclight_Blue"]Glad to know that im not alone on some achievements going below the belt. companies like Valve needs to realize that not everyone spends 24/7 on their games.Legendaryscmt

Are you talking about Orange Box, because even though there's a lot of achievements, they're not hard to get at all.

The Orange Box had one of the best achievements I've ever seen,they weren't too difficult and not very time absorbing.

Glad to know that im not alone on some achievements going below the belt. companies like Valve needs to realize that not everyone spends 24/7 on their games.Arclight_Blue

Are you talking about Orange Box, because even though there's a lot of achievements, they're not hard to get at all.

The Orange Box had one of the best achievements I've ever seen,they weren't too difficult and not very time absorbing.

In regards to the general topic of discussion: Achievements allow you an extra way to enjoy your games. If you like achievements, then play for them. If you don't, then ignore them. People who go about calling people "achievement whores" are really just criticizing the way others enjoy their hobbies, which is very arrogant.

However, for those of us who are into Gamerscore, I agree that some achievements are pretty asinine. Achievements should be something you achieve, that is, recognize that a player has accomplished an in-game feat. "Play for 100 hours" is the exact opposite of this. Achievements that involve finding an absurd number of useless, hidden objects over the course of the game fall into this category as well.

Speaking of good/bad achievements:

Glad to know that im not alone on some achievements going below the belt. companies like Valve needs to realize that not everyone spends 24/7 on their games.

Arclight_Blue

What games/achievements are you talking about specifically? In my opinion, Valve games have reasonable and interesting achievements. The hardest ones on The Orange Box are the science achievements for Portal. Those are good achievements: They're hard to get because they require a lot of skill, not because they require a lot of time.

On the other hand:

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I won't play a bad game (or a game in a genre I don't play) just for points. I'll try a game that has easy points, and if it's not bad, I'll keep playing. I will never play Avatar.

I didn't think that it would ever come to this, I loved my achievements. I would chase 1000/1000 on every game I owned even if it looked like I would never get it, I had all the achievement whore sites listed under my favourites and visted them almost everyday. But lately I have just grown tired of it, I think it really struck when I was playing Brothers in Arms, looking through the achievements and coming to the obessed one (Play the game everyday while connected to Live for 100 days straight). No! No I don't want to. I thought.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game and am playing it through again on the harder difficulty but are they kidding with achievements like this? Can you really call this an achievement? All it says to me is that we want free advertising by having our game show up on your recently played list for 100 days. Games are littered with ones like this now particularly the dreaded play X number of multiplayer games. How much skill can it take to connect to a game 1000 times and thus how have you "achieved" anything by this?

I will still be going for the odd point or two and still hope to someday hit 50k, but I'm just no longer chasing them. Microsoft and now Sony need to call foul on some of the things that get classed as achievements by the developer, just something basic like it needs to require at least a small level of skill. Even completing the first level of a game requires you to gain a small amount of understanding of how to play, but things like play the game for 100 days or play 1000 matches of MP don't even require you to play the game at all (if you apply the minimum effort).

ALLoY1717

First of all, there are several games that are designed and owned by Xbox and Microsoft. And they regulate the achievement regardless of who made them. I'm not saying they tell them what to make an achievement, but they definitely take a look at it.

Motza22

If Microsoft played a major role in determining the achievements in games, I would imagine that achievements in games would be rather uniform. They are not. Whatever Microsoft's role is in achievements, the available evidence would suggest that it is minimal.

And please, try to explain to me how the NXE isn't a blatant attempt to make money.

Motza22

The NXE is an attempt to bring greater content to users. If they like the content, then they can purchase it.

It's now impossible to play XBL without a hard drive. Now the usefullness of hard drives has sky rocketed, but prices haven't budged (and don't expect them to). In a month or so, MS is coming out with a STORE so you can BUY more clothes for your avatar. On top of that, there are tons of new games that you can buy and play with just your avatar. It seems like every "perk" that came with the NXE has about 1000 ways for MS to get money out of it. Don't like the theme? well your old ones don't work, and the new ones are more expensive! So break out your credit card!

Motza22

Let me get this straight: You're complaining that there are "about 1,000 ways" for you to spend money with the NXE? You're complaining about options. If you don't like the options presented, then don't spend money on them. This is like some person from the Soviet Union coming to America in 1980 and being upset that we have 20 different choices of toothpaste. Options are not bad!

In regards to the harddrive business, games in this day and age need a harddrive. The fact that the NXE better enables me to use the harddrive in my Elite just makes me happy.

The NXE's sole purpose was to find a way for MS to rake in the cash this season, with hard drives and point cards. I don't think anyone can argue differently

Motza22

Every now and again, I run into someone on the forums who is shocked to find that instead of worrying when a sparrow falls, numbering the hairs on your head, and being generally loving and benevolent, Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo/et all are actually businesses.

Whatever...Gamerscore means NOTHING. Well, it might just be an indicator of how much free time you have on your hands.

I don't understand the boost a high gamerscore gives people. Or why some people need achievements to actually play a game. What did you people do before the Xbox 360?

I'll admit, I like getting an achievement unlocked in the game I'm playing. But I never GET a game for the PURPOSE of getting it's achievements. Meanwhile, you have some people actually wasting their time playing through Kung Fu Panda or Wall-E just to get an easy 1000 points, and +1000 to their gamerscore. For what? Is there a prize? Is there significant bragging rights? No...

Especially when you take into consideration that most of the people atop the leaderboards, or the people with the highest Gamerscores, are doing so by cheating. I.E. Gamertag recovery, glitching...etc

All I know is, telling someone "I have 100 000 Gamerscore on Xbox Live!" doesn't make me feel any better about myself. If anything, it would only make me feel more pathetic.

I mean, if I got $1000 or even $10 for every 1000 points I put up, sure! But to brag about how "leet" I am...no thanks.

I mean, if I got $1000 or even $10 for every 1000 points I put up, sure! But to brag about how "leet" I am...no thanks.

Dredg11

As opposed to all the cash you rake in with your conventional gaming? Your post is predicated on the notion that the only reason anyone might play for achievements is to be an arrogant braggart about them. Maybe people who like achievements just play because they like achievements.

achievements is the energy to keep you goin man.Leo-Magic

lol...I HAD put a response here, but for some reason when I hit submit, it only put the quote.

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I mean, if I got $1000 or even $10 for every 1000 points I put up, sure! But to brag about how "leet" I am...no thanks.

Palantas

As opposed to all the cash you rake in with your conventional gaming? Your post is predicated on the notion that the only reason anyone might play for achievements is to be an arrogant braggart about them. Maybe people who like achievements just play because they like achievements.

My point was exactly that...The points earn you as much as "conventional gaming". Nothing. And there's something to be said about "playing for achievements". Not saying it's a bad thing, per se. But it's pretty lame when people will play games they normally wouldn't play, just to add 1000 points to their Gamerscore.

But it's pretty lame when people will play games they normally wouldn't play, just to add 1000 points to their Gamerscore.

Dredg11

Why? The purpose of gaming is to have fun. If people have fun increasing their Gamerscore, then they're accomplishing what any hobby is supposed to accomplish. You criticize gamers who play for points for being arrogant, then go on a public forum calling a certain form of gaming "lame."

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

But it's pretty lame when people will play games they normally wouldn't play, just to add 1000 points to their Gamerscore.

Palantas

Why? The purpose of gaming is to have fun. If people have fun increasing their Gamerscore, then they're accomplishing what any hobby is supposed to accomplish. You criticize gamers who play for points for being arrogant, then go on a public forum calling a certain form of gaming "lame."

This certain "form of gaming" you're refering to, is being an achievement whore. That IS lame. If expressing that opinion makes me arrogant in your insignificant books, I can live with that.

You're lame. Go away.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="Dredg11"]

But it's pretty lame when people will play games they normally wouldn't play, just to add 1000 points to their Gamerscore.

Dredg11

Why? The purpose of gaming is to have fun. If people have fun increasing their Gamerscore, then they're accomplishing what any hobby is supposed to accomplish. You criticize gamers who play for points for being arrogant, then go on a public forum calling a certain form of gaming "lame."

This certain "form of gaming" you're refering to, is being an achievement whore. That IS lame. If expressing that opinion makes me arrogant in your insignificant books, I can live with that.

You're lame. Go away.

You're missing Palantas point. Just because it's no fun to YOU, and YOU think it's lame, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. Who are you to say what's fun for me? To call someone lame because their opinion is different than yours, just makes me value your opinion less because you won't listen to mine. I don't enjoy it. But i can accept that other people do.