1080p possible with component cables?

Is it possible to get 1080p from component cables? Or is HDMI required?

Just bought a 1080p TV, so I'm curious.

It is possible, but it depends on the television. I've seen a Samsung 1080p television accept component 1080p.

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

wwe_ownage

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

there is some tvs that will allow it couldnt give you a list or anything,with the cables but i dont think anything is as good as HDMI when it comes to HD and 1080p KurupSoldr

Really? I'd like to get HDMI for my 360, but the only cables I've seen are $100. :/

[QUOTE="KurupSoldr"]there is some tvs that will allow it couldnt give you a list or anything,with the cables but i dont think anything is as good as HDMI when it comes to HD and 1080p Jbul

Really? I'd like to get HDMI for my 360, but the only cables I've seen are $100. :/

[QUOTE="wwe_ownage"]

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

Jbul

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

Don't worry too much, the game doesn't run at 1080p, but the 360 will probably upscale the 720p game to 1080p better than what your tv would normally do with 720p input, as everything is converted to 1080p to display fullscreen on your 1080p tv.

But yes, out of all tv brands, Samsung is the most consistent with having 1080p support for component and vga, while most other tvs limit it to HDMI, not even vga half the time.

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="wwe_ownage"]

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

TimothyB

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

Don't worry too much, the game doesn't run at 1080p, but the 360 will probably upscale the 720p game to 1080p better than what your tv would normally do with 720p input, as everything is converted to 1080p to display fullscreen on your 1080p tv.

But yes, out of all tv brands, Samsung is the most consistent with having 1080p support for component and vga, while most other tvs limit it to HDMI, not even vga half the time.

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Jbul

Not going to counter since I don't know and usually every game will list 1080p on the back of the box these days because of upscaling, so it's hard to tell. But I seriously doubt a graphic intense game like this would run at 1080p. Believe me, I would like it so. I have a 65inch 1080p tv, but both the vga and component don't except 1080p and I don't have a 1080p 360.

Is there any confirmation on this?

[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="wwe_ownage"]

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

Jbul

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

Don't worry too much, the game doesn't run at 1080p, but the 360 will probably upscale the 720p game to 1080p better than what your tv would normally do with 720p input, as everything is converted to 1080p to display fullscreen on your 1080p tv.

But yes, out of all tv brands, Samsung is the most consistent with having 1080p support for component and vga, while most other tvs limit it to HDMI, not even vga half the time.

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Oddly enough, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance was actually the first 360 game to support 1080p

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

TimothyB

Not going to counter since I don't know and usually every game will list 1080p on the back of the box these days because of upscaling, so it's hard to tell. But I seriously doubt a graphic intense game like this would run at 1080p. Believe me, I would like it so. I have a 65inch 1080p tv, but both the vga and component don't except 1080p and I don't have a 1080p 360.

Is there any confirmation on this?

I beat Bioshock twice on my old TV, a Sony HDTV capable of 1080i, and notice a sizeable difference playing it on my new Samsung LCD TV in 1080p (just hooked it up and played in 1080p since my last writing). I didn't think the graphics could get cleaner, or crisper, but they did. Everything is just clearer, crisper, almost surreal. And not all newgames claim 1080p. The last 3 games I bought before Bioshock were all 1080i games.

[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="wwe_ownage"]

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

Jbul

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

Don't worry too much, the game doesn't run at 1080p, but the 360 will probably upscale the 720p game to 1080p better than what your tv would normally do with 720p input, as everything is converted to 1080p to display fullscreen on your 1080p tv.

But yes, out of all tv brands, Samsung is the most consistent with having 1080p support for component and vga, while most other tvs limit it to HDMI, not even vga half the time.

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

actually lost planet was able to

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="wwe_ownage"]

my samsung 1080p lcd can do 1080p through component

BrolyB593

Cool. Mine is a Samsung too. I want to run Bioshock in 1080p.:)

Don't worry too much, the game doesn't run at 1080p, but the 360 will probably upscale the 720p game to 1080p better than what your tv would normally do with 720p input, as everything is converted to 1080p to display fullscreen on your 1080p tv.

But yes, out of all tv brands, Samsung is the most consistent with having 1080p support for component and vga, while most other tvs limit it to HDMI, not even vga half the time.

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Oddly enough, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance was actually the first 360 game to support 1080p

I thought it was Virtua Tennis

[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"]

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Jbul

Not going to counter since I don't know and usually every game will list 1080p on the back of the box these days because of upscaling, so it's hard to tell. But I seriously doubt a graphic intense game like this would run at 1080p. Believe me, I would like it so. I have a 65inch 1080p tv, but both the vga and component don't except 1080p and I don't have a 1080p 360.

Is there any confirmation on this?

I beat Bioshock twice on my old TV, a Sony HDTV capable of 1080i, and notice a sizeable difference playing it on my new Samsung LCD TV in 1080p (just hooked it up and played in 1080p since my last writing). I didn't think the graphics could get cleaner, or crisper, but they did. Everything is just clearer, crisper, almost surreal. And not all newgames claim 1080p. The last 3 games I bought before Bioshock were all 1080i games.

It is always possible the difference from an older 1080i tv to a newer 1080p tv will have a nice visual upgrade, even if a game was only 720p. You probably don't have things ready to test how other games have changed after using the newer 1080p tv?

The main difference you should see from 1080p is finer edges and smaller jaggies, and a bit more detail in objects in the distance.

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"]

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

TimothyB

Not going to counter since I don't know and usually every game will list 1080p on the back of the box these days because of upscaling, so it's hard to tell. But I seriously doubt a graphic intense game like this would run at 1080p. Believe me, I would like it so. I have a 65inch 1080p tv, but both the vga and component don't except 1080p and I don't have a 1080p 360.

Is there any confirmation on this?

I beat Bioshock twice on my old TV, a Sony HDTV capable of 1080i, and notice a sizeable difference playing it on my new Samsung LCD TV in 1080p (just hooked it up and played in 1080p since my last writing). I didn't think the graphics could get cleaner, or crisper, but they did. Everything is just clearer, crisper, almost surreal. And not all newgames claim 1080p. The last 3 games I bought before Bioshock were all 1080i games.

It is always possible the difference from an older 1080i tv to a newer 1080p tv will have a nice visual upgrade, even if a game was only 720p. You probably don't have things ready to test how other games have changed after using the newer 1080p tv?

The main difference you should see from 1080p is finer edges and smaller jaggies, and a bit more detail in objects in the distance.

I notice the biggest difference when I'm further away from the screen (40 inch screen, abou 8-10 feet away). And now I'm runningother games in 1080p, such as Ghost Recon 2, and noticing more detail.To answer your question, my older HDTV was capable of only 480p and 1080i. It upconverted 720p to 1080i. SoI was playing Bioshock in 1080i for sure before, and 1080p now. The main differences are just more detail in everything, less edges, and some areas of the game look startlingly better.I know this is partially because my TV is newer, better, and more powerful in general, but I do notice a 1080p difference.

Do you know what other games will be able to run 1080pjabird3

The Darkness, Guitar Hero II, Ghost Recon II, Bioshock, Marvel Ultimate. I'm sure there are alot of others. Speaking of which, does anyone know if Halo 3 will be 1080p?

Digital sound (Toslink) is better than HDMI sound.Dancing-Bear

Don't know the 360's HDMI sound capabilites. Might be only video, but technically, HDMI sound surpasses optical in that optical can't do Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD, uncompressed PCM, DTS HD and so on that HDMI can, not to mention 7.1 uncompressed sound on top of doing 1080p deep color at the same time.

[QUOTE="Dancing-Bear"]Digital sound (Toslink) is better than HDMI sound.TimothyB

Don't know the 360's HDMI sound capabilites. Might be only video, but technically, HDMI sound surpasses optical in that optical can't do Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD, uncompressed PCM, DTS HD and so on that HDMI can, not to mention 7.1 uncompressed sound on top of doing 1080p deep color at the same time.

Now that I've got my 1080p TV, you guys think I should make the switch from component to HDMI? Is it that noticeable of a difference?

[QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Dancing-Bear"]Digital sound (Toslink) is better than HDMI sound.Jbul

Don't know the 360's HDMI sound capabilites. Might be only video, but technically, HDMI sound surpasses optical in that optical can't do Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD, uncompressed PCM, DTS HD and so on that HDMI can, not to mention 7.1 uncompressed sound on top of doing 1080p deep color at the same time.

Now that I've got my 1080p TV, you guys think I should make the switch from component to HDMI? Is it that noticeable of a difference?

Well, seeing how a HDMI cable is perfectly fine at $6 at monoprice.com, and you might as well pick up extra HDMI cables and optical cables while you there, it's not expensive.

But don't expect a jump off the screen difference. Component is still good, HDMI is better, though, unless you had them side by side it would be hard to tell. Just know that HDMI is digital, you are seeing the picture as perfect as it can be, no loss, while Component is analog, so there is some loss, but nothing to complain about, And HDMI is a single cable like a usb cord, much easier to manage in the back of the tv.

Just don't pay like $50+ for an HDMI cable no matter what a sales person tells you. Only time to worry about cable thickness is if you plan to do 50 plus feet cables. You might pay more for better construction to if you plan to move the cable from place to place, but the $6 cables are so cheap you can 10 of them and leave them at each place.

[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="Jbul"]

Bioshock CAN run in 1080p. I believe it is one of the first 360 titles to do so.

Jbul

Not going to counter since I don't know and usually every game will list 1080p on the back of the box these days because of upscaling, so it's hard to tell. But I seriously doubt a graphic intense game like this would run at 1080p. Believe me, I would like it so. I have a 65inch 1080p tv, but both the vga and component don't except 1080p and I don't have a 1080p 360.

Is there any confirmation on this?

I beat Bioshock twice on my old TV, a Sony HDTV capable of 1080i, and notice a sizeable difference playing it on my new Samsung LCD TV in 1080p (just hooked it up and played in 1080p since my last writing). I didn't think the graphics could get cleaner, or crisper, but they did. Everything is just clearer, crisper, almost surreal. And not all newgames claim 1080p. The last 3 games I bought before Bioshock were all 1080i games.

It is always possible the difference from an older 1080i tv to a newer 1080p tv will have a nice visual upgrade, even if a game was only 720p. You probably don't have things ready to test how other games have changed after using the newer 1080p tv?

The main difference you should see from 1080p is finer edges and smaller jaggies, and a bit more detail in objects in the distance.

I notice the biggest difference when I'm further away from the screen (40 inch screen, abou 8-10 feet away). And now I'm runningother games in 1080p, such as Ghost Recon 2, and noticing more detail.To answer your question, my older HDTV was capable of only 480p and 1080i. It upconverted 720p to 1080i. SoI was playing Bioshock in 1080i for sure before, and 1080p now. The main differences are just more detail in everything, less edges, and some areas of the game look startlingly better.I know this is partially because my TV is newer, better, and more powerful in general, but I do notice a 1080p difference.

Judging from your description, it looks like your old HDTV was a tube HDTV. If that is the case, then the difference is due to fact that 1080i tube "HDTVs" (excluding Sony's super fine pitch models) only have around 800-900 x 1080 in actual resolution. The second 1080 number is also open to debate.

In consumer grade tube HDTVs, the highest resolution achieved were Sony's super fine pitch models which had around 1400x1080 in actual resolution. It was still a bit short of full 1080i resolution but much better than any other tube HDTVs produced by competition.

its pracitclly useless toworry about1080p for gaming when almost no games run in 1080p, they almost all run in 1080i. and believe me im right i sell this stuff to WB and Universal Studios.

its pracitclly useless toworry about1080p for gaming when almost no games run in 1080p, they almost all run in 1080i. and believe me im right i sell this stuff to WB and Universal Studios.

funymonkey811

Question. How do games render at 1080i? Wouldn't it have to do full 1080p at 1920*1080 at 30fps, then split the frames in two, for 1080i 60hz? Or will the 360 just render at 1920*540 odd lines at once and then the other even 540 lines of the same frame right after? Or will the next 540 lines just be the next frame of the game, or line doubling?

one thing let me rephrase my first comment

there is currently no games that are rendered in 1080p (except i think bioshock, don't know for sure). there most definitely will be in the future, but i think currently not now. i dont work exactly in the gaming field but i am affiliated in the market a bit to know some basic info.

PS 1920 is 1080

one thing let me rephrase my first comment

there is currently no games that are rendered in 1080p (except i think bioshock, don't know for sure). there most definitely will be in the future, but i think currently not now. i dont work exactly in the gaming field but i am affiliated in the market a bit to know some basic info.

PS 1920 is 1080

funymonkey811

Bioshock I still think would be the least likely to do 1080p. But think there have been 1080p games in the past, like Virtual Tennis being one.

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Dancing-Bear"]Digital sound (Toslink) is better than HDMI sound.TimothyB

Don't know the 360's HDMI sound capabilites. Might be only video, but technically, HDMI sound surpasses optical in that optical can't do Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD, uncompressed PCM, DTS HD and so on that HDMI can, not to mention 7.1 uncompressed sound on top of doing 1080p deep color at the same time.

Now that I've got my 1080p TV, you guys think I should make the switch from component to HDMI? Is it that noticeable of a difference?

Well, seeing how a HDMI cable is perfectly fine at $6 at monoprice.com, and you might as well pick up extra HDMI cables and optical cables while you there, it's not expensive.

But don't expect a jump off the screen difference. Component is still good, HDMI is better, though, unless you had them side by side it would be hard to tell. Just know that HDMI is digital, you are seeing the picture as perfect as it can be, no loss, while Component is analog, so there is some loss, but nothing to complain about, And HDMI is a single cable like a usb cord, much easier to manage in the back of the tv.

Just don't pay like $50+ for an HDMI cable no matter what a sales person tells you. Only time to worry about cable thickness is if you plan to do 50 plus feet cables. You might pay more for better construction to if you plan to move the cable from place to place, but the $6 cables are so cheap you can 10 of them and leave them at each place.

You're telling me an Xbox 360 HDMI cable is $6 on that website you mentioned?Hm, I seriously doubt it. I already have HDMI for HDTV if that's what you're talking about.. I'm looking for a decent Xbox360 HDMI cable. And yeah... "Monster" is mostly just gonna burn a big hole in your pocket.,

Sorry, it's now a $4.79 cable:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2

Their premium version with thicker gauge for $15.44 (honestly not needed, harder to bend and manage such a thick cable when the $4.79 one does the job)
http://monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=2219&seq=1&format=2

Also, now they have listed one certified as HDMI 1.3 (not really needed either):
http://monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024006&p_id=3661&seq=1&format=2#description

Even videophiles with expensive setups will vouche for Monoprice, like at AVSForum.com. There cables are good quality at a great price.

I also bought one of these optical cables for my dad and was amazed by the build quality, I think it was like $4 when I bought, but at $6 or so it's a great deal still:
[url]http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=2764&seq=1&format=2{/url}

A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...Jbul

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

[QUOTE="Jbul"]A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...TimothyB

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

From reading the BB's today, I don't think my 360 is HDMI ready. Only Elites, right? That would make more sense.

[QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Jbul"]A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...Jbul

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

From reading the BB's today, I don't think my 360 is HDMI ready. Only Elites, right? That would make more sense.

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Jbul"]A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...paranoiasurviva

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

From reading the BB's today, I don't think my 360 is HDMI ready. Only Elites, right? That would make more sense.

Mine was manufactured May of Last year. I didn't see any HDMI imputs unless.... it's on top of the ethernet port. It's kind of nondescript. The manual says NOTHING. Anyone know?

[QUOTE="paranoiasurviva"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Jbul"]A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...Jbul

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

From reading the BB's today, I don't think my 360 is HDMI ready. Only Elites, right? That would make more sense.

Mine was manufactured May of Last year. I didn't see any HDMI imputs unless.... it's on top of the ethernet port. It's kind of nondescript. Anyone know?

[QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="paranoiasurviva"][QUOTE="Jbul"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]

[QUOTE="Jbul"]A standard HDMI cable will fit into the Xbox360? Therein lies the confusion...paranoiasurviva

Yep, any old HDMI cable works, same as on the PS3. Probably an HDCP thing. And an HDMI 360 come with a audio adapter that plugs into the av port to give you red and white stereo or optical while you use HDMI.

From reading the BB's today, I don't think my 360 is HDMI ready. Only Elites, right? That would make more sense.

Mine was manufactured May of Last year. I didn't see any HDMI imputs unless.... it's on top of the ethernet port. It's kind of nondescript. Anyone know?

Cool. Thanks for clearing that up.

360 cant do 1080p with out upscaling. u should have waited befor buying 1080p its to earily in the marketiamanoobkillme

Wrong, and wrong. The Xbox360 CAN display 1080p without upscaling, and 1080p TV's have been around for almost 2 years. The prices are reasonable, and the technology sound. Sorry you don't have one. :)

[QUOTE="iamanoobkillme"]360 cant do 1080p with out upscaling. u should have waited befor buying 1080p its to earily in the marketJbul

Wrong, and wrong. The Xbox360 CAN display 1080p without upscaling, and 1080p TV's have been around for almost 2 years. The prices are reasonable, and the technology sound. Sorry you don't have one. :)

720p. or it will get high lcd lagsgpicker