Science (Evolution) vs Creation Science

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[QUOTE="Sitri_"]

 

"Creation science doesn't teach myths."  It just lies for the sake of subverting real science?

Lansdowne5

Hold on, "it just lies for the sake of subverting real science", I thought Evolution did that? 

From the National Academy of Science book Science, Evolution, and Creationism published 2008.  Quite a credible source for science material and this is only a small snippet of the importance of evolution and the failures of creationism.

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11876&page=47 

Science and science-based technologies have transformed modern life. They have led to major improvements in living standards, public welfare, health, and security. They have changed how we view the universe and how we think about ourselves in relation to the world around us.

Biological evolution is one of the most important ideas of modern science. Evolution is supported by abundant evidence from many different fields of scientific investigation. It underlies the modern biological sciences, including the biomedical sciences, and has applications in many other scientific and engineering disciplines.

As individuals and societies, we are now making decisions that will have profound consequences for future generations. How should we balance the need to preserve the Earth's plants, animals, and natural environment against other pressing concerns? Should we alter our use of fossil fuels and other natural resources to enhance the well-being of our descendants? To what extent should we use our new understanding of biology on a molecular level to alter the characteristics of living things?

None of these decisions can be made wisely without considering biological evolution. People need to understand evolution, its role within the broader scientific enterprise, and its vital implications for some of the most pressing social, cultural, and political issues of our time.

Science and technology are so pervasive in modern society that students increasingly need a sound education in the core concepts, applications, and implications of science. Because evolution has and will continue to serve as a critical foundation of the biomedical and life sciences, helping students learn about and understand the scientific evidence, mechanisms, and implications of evolution are fundamental to a high-quality science education.

-snip- 

I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.123625

Do you believe in evolution now?

Evolution is right up there with the young Earth thought process for me.  Those are things I have a hard time getting past in a conversation if someone out and out doesn't believe in either or.btaylor2404

I don't know I am reading this right, but are you saying you see the two on equal footing?

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]Evolution is right up there with the young Earth thought process for me.  Those are things I have a hard time getting past in a conversation if someone out and out doesn't believe in either or.Sitri_

I don't know I am reading this right, but are you saying you see the two on equal footing?

I see not believing in evolution and not believing that the Earth is billions of years old as equally asinine. Hope that butchered sentence made sense.

[QUOTE="Sitri_"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]Evolution is right up there with the young Earth thought process for me.  Those are things I have a hard time getting past in a conversation if someone out and out doesn't believe in either or.btaylor2404

I don't know I am reading this right, but are you saying you see the two on equal footing?

I see not believing in evolution and not believing that the Earth is billions of years old as equally asinine. Hope that butchered sentence made sense.

Ahhh gotcha.  I agree.  I am am just getting back from the bar at the moment and misunderstood your statement.  I thought you were saying anyone strongly subscribing to evolution or a young earth are equally dogmatic.  Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.domatron23

Do you believe in evolution now?

I accept it is the best explanation. Better than creationism.

[QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.123625

Do you believe in evolution now?

I accept it is the best explanation. Better than creationism.

Now that's a big change, your views have changed rather drastically. What made you think differently?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="domatron23"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.domatron23

Do you believe in evolution now?

I accept it is the best explanation. Better than creationism.

Now that's a big change, your views have changed rather drastically. What made you think differently?

[QUOTE="domatron23"]Now that's a big change, your views have changed rather drastically. What made you think differently?Funky_Llama

Funky you monster!

And my views changed because I was sick of being in doubt all time as to whether creationism is right. Then I gradually accepted there is no reason for me to beleive in it, and on the way to school my beleifs changed rather shockingly.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="domatron23"]Now that's a big change, your views have changed rather drastically. What made you think differently?123625

Funky you monster!

And my views changed because I was sick of being in doubt all time as to whether creationism is right. Then I gradually accepted there is no reason for me to beleive in it, and on the way to school my beleifs changed rather shockingly.

I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.123625

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.Lansdowne5

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.btaylor2404

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.Genetic_Code

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

Am I? I don't think so. :) 

Am I? I don't think so.

Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.Lansdowne5

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

Am I? I don't think so. :) 

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.Funky_Llama

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

Am I? I don't think so. :) 

Maybe, but I have to go, so you'll just have to see if you can work it out on your own. :) 

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.Lansdowne5

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

Am I? I don't think so. :) 

Maybe, but I have to go, so you'll just have to see if you can work it out on your own. :) 

Oh what the hell ever Landowne, here it is 6 minutes later and your still online. 

Oh what the hell ever Landowne, here it is 6 minutes later and your still online. 

btaylor2404

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

Oh what the hell ever Landowne, here it is 6 minutes later and your still online. 

Funky_Llama

I know, it's the point.  He's humored, and his beliefs respected, here all the time, and when we (several of us) ask for a simple explanation on what he meant he can't give a two sentence answer?

I see that a few of you seem to believe in Creationism. What's the basis for your belief?Strategist1117

I'm a Christian, therefore I believe that Jesus was, and is the Son of God and that the Bible is God's Inspired Word written under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Because I believe that God's Word is infallible, I believe that the gospels and all other books are 100% accurate and correct. Jesus confirmed the Creation story told in Genesis, and seeing as I have no reason (other than outside, fallible sources) to doubt the original Genesis account, I believe it is correct. 

That's my basis. :) 

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="123625"]I don't mind people who beleive in Creationism, but saying one of the greatest explanations for the amount of diversity in life we have is wrong, is plain ignorance.btaylor2404

Take the coal out of the fire and it's obvious what's going to happen. :) 

I'll bite Lansdowne5, what exactly do you mean there?

Am I? I don't think so. :) 

Maybe, but I have to go, so you'll just have to see if you can work it out on your own. :) 

Oh what the hell ever Landowne, here it is 6 minutes later and your still online. 

Actually, I closed the window instead of logging out. If you do it that way, there's a short delay before you actually appear offline. Presumably as long as 6 minutes. 

I too am interested to see what you meant Lan >_>123625

Well, whereas I come here purely to confront Atheist lies with the Truth of God's Word, you come here, it seems, purely to have fellowship among them.

If you take a peice of coal out of the fire and put it in a heap of unused coal, it will stop glowing, the heat will disappear and it too will change into the same state as the unused coal.

On the same basis, if you, instead of having fellowship with fellow born-again Christians come here and mix among atheists, you'll start to separate yourself from the Body and warm towards their beliefs. Lies have always seemed appealing to the Human race over the Truth.

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen." - Romans 1:25  

Evolution is the foundation of Atheism, if that stepping stone slots into place it's only a matter of time before the rest does. According to the Bible, the choice is clear. We can believe the Word of our omnipotent and omniscient God, or we can believe the illogically biased, "scientific" explanations of Men in Rebellion to Him.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." - Proverbs 1:7

I hope you find understanding and that God will guide you to the Truth of his Word. :) 

OK Lansdowne5, you come here purely to confront Atheist lies, as you say. I assume we can agree that the Bible was written by man, some parts over 2000 years old.  You take it as God's word.  Ok. I have read the Bible many times, go to and am involved in my local church, but cannot get past the fact that the Bible was written by man, and man is imperfect.  Plus the many questionable parts of it.  But I do not, and am not allowed into your union to discuss our differences of opinion.  And that, regardless of what you believe with all you heart, is the moral of the story it's your opinion and mine.  I wouldn't dare out and out call the Bible full of lies, I just have serious problems with most of it.  But you, with your lack of respect for your fellow human being have no problem essentially calling us a den of liars.  I'm proud that this union includes all who want to join and have conversations on many topics, 123625 and I completely disagreed on a topic a few days back.  But we respect each other, and each opinions, 123625 added resources that may help, and move on.  I see no reason now for you to continue to post in this union.  I respect your beliefs, and wouldn't dare insult you in the way the above post did.  You obviously do not extend us the same respect.btaylor2404

Wrong. The bottom line is, 'I' have no problem telling the Truth. :)

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]OK Lansdowne5, you come here purely to confront Atheist lies, as you say. I assume we can agree that the Bible was written by man, some parts over 2000 years old.  You take it as God's word.  Ok. I have read the Bible many times, go to and am involved in my local church, but cannot get past the fact that the Bible was written by man, and man is imperfect.  Plus the many questionable parts of it.  But I do not, and am not allowed into your union to discuss our differences of opinion.  And that, regardless of what you believe with all you heart, is the moral of the story it's your opinion and mine.  I wouldn't dare out and out call the Bible full of lies, I just have serious problems with most of it.  But you, with your lack of respect for your fellow human being have no problem essentially calling us a den of liars.  I'm proud that this union includes all who want to join and have conversations on many topics, 123625 and I completely disagreed on a topic a few days back.  But we respect each other, and each opinions, 123625 added resources that may help, and move on.  I see no reason now for you to continue to post in this union.  I respect your beliefs, and wouldn't dare insult you in the way the above post did.  You obviously do not extend us the same respect.Lansdowne5

Wrong. The bottom line is, 'I' have no problem telling the Truth. :)

You didn't read a damn word I said.  One man's truth is anothers fairy tale.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]OK Lansdowne5, you come here purely to confront Atheist lies, as you say. I assume we can agree that the Bible was written by man, some parts over 2000 years old.  You take it as God's word.  Ok. I have read the Bible many times, go to and am involved in my local church, but cannot get past the fact that the Bible was written by man, and man is imperfect.  Plus the many questionable parts of it.  But I do not, and am not allowed into your union to discuss our differences of opinion.  And that, regardless of what you believe with all you heart, is the moral of the story it's your opinion and mine.  I wouldn't dare out and out call the Bible full of lies, I just have serious problems with most of it.  But you, with your lack of respect for your fellow human being have no problem essentially calling us a den of liars.  I'm proud that this union includes all who want to join and have conversations on many topics, 123625 and I completely disagreed on a topic a few days back.  But we respect each other, and each opinions, 123625 added resources that may help, and move on.  I see no reason now for you to continue to post in this union.  I respect your beliefs, and wouldn't dare insult you in the way the above post did.  You obviously do not extend us the same respect.btaylor2404

Wrong. The bottom line is, 'I' have no problem telling the Truth. :)

You didn't read a damn word I said.  One man's truth is anothers fairy tale.

Didn't I? I actually read it through very thoroughly, as I do every post which I reply to. ;)

One man's truth is anothers fairy tale. God's Truth is THE TRUTH. 

Lansdown5, it seems you have changed! When you first joined, you didn't use to attack directly the way you are doing recently. Why the change?

Also, I find it amusing to see you claim evolution, accepted and studied by millions around the world, is just a conspiracy, a myth. Where as claiming the thousand year old words of some men as truth.

Lansdown5, it seems you have changed! When you first joined, you didn't use to attack directly the way you are doing recently. Why the change?

Also, I find it amusing to see you claim evolution, accepted and studied by millions around the world, is just a conspiracy, a myth. Where as claiming the thousand year old words of some men as truth.

7guns

I'm trying my hand at apologetics. :)

'I' find it ammusing that you dismiss God's Word, and God in general in exactly the way the Bible tells me you will.

I'm trying my hand at apologetics. :)

'I' find it ammusing that you dismiss God's Word, and God in general in exactly the way the Bible tells me you will.

Lansdowne5

I doubt apology is needed in this case.

Doesn't seem all that surprising to me.

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

123625

I never claimed Evolution = Atheism. I said Evolution is the foundation of Atheism.  

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I'm trying my hand at apologetics. :)

'I' find it ammusing that you dismiss God's Word, and God in general in exactly the way the Bible tells me you will.

7guns

I doubt apology is needed in this case.

Doesn't seem all that surprising to me.

Look up the meaning of apologetics. It doesn't mean I'm apologizing.  

 

Well, whereas I come here purely to confront Atheist lies with the Truth of God's Word, you come here, it seems, purely to have fellowship among them.

If you take a peice of coal out of the fire and put it in a heap of unused coal, it will stop glowing, the heat will disappear and it too will change into the same state as the unused coal.

On the same basis, if you, instead of having fellowship with fellow born-again Christians come here and mix among atheists, you'll start to separate yourself from the Body and warm towards their beliefs. Lies have always seemed appealing to the Human race over the Truth.Lansdowne5

Mutatis Mutandis for all those at the CWU.  Of course the big difference being the very closed atmosphere there can provide only a single perspective.

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen." - Romans 1:25  

Lansdowne5

I have seen the quote over there several times "If you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth."  Funny you seem to think that statement only applies to those who disagree with you, because there is not one single better explanation available why so many people believe the bible than this.  Truly there must be sanity in numbers :roll:

Evolution is the foundation of Atheism, if that stepping stone slots into place it's only a matter of time before the rest does. According to the Bible, the choice is clear. We can believe the Word of our omnipotent and omniscient God, or we can believe the illogically biased, "scientific" explanations of Men in Rebellion to Him.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." - Proverbs 1:7

I hope you find understanding and that God will guide you to the Truth of his Word. :) 

Lansdowne5

There were plenty a honorable atheist long before evolution was understood.  As a matter of fact it has always been the default setting, you have to be taught to be a theist.  Evolution is just another of the many scientific discoveries that demystify the ancient sky fairy. 

Can you imagine how future generations will look back on our foolishness?  We can give past generations a bit of a break on the flat earth at the center of the universe bit because they simply lacked our technology, but what is our excuse?  They will look back at us in awe of the fact we knew so much but still managed such a prideful charade of ignorance for so many for so long.

[QUOTE="123625"]I too am interested to see what you meant Lan >_>Lansdowne5

Well, whereas I come here purely to confront Atheist lies with the Truth of God's Word, you come here, it seems, purely to have fellowship among them.

If you take a peice of coal out of the fire and put it in a heap of unused coal, it will stop glowing, the heat will disappear and it too will change into the same state as the unused coal.

On the same basis, if you, instead of having fellowship with fellow born-again Christians come here and mix among atheists, you'll start to separate yourself from the Body and warm towards their beliefs. Lies have always seemed appealing to the Human race over the Truth.

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen." - Romans 1:25  

Evolution is the foundation of Atheism, if that stepping stone slots into place it's only a matter of time before the rest does. According to the Bible, the choice is clear. We can believe the Word of our omnipotent and omniscient God, or we can believe the illogically biased, "scientific" explanations of Men in Rebellion to Him.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." - Proverbs 1:7

I hope you find understanding and that God will guide you to the Truth of his Word. :) 

[QUOTE="7guns"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I'm trying my hand at apologetics. :)

'I' find it ammusing that you dismiss God's Word, and God in general in exactly the way the Bible tells me you will.

Lansdowne5

I doubt apology is needed in this case.

Doesn't seem all that surprising to me.

Look up the meaning of apologetics. It doesn't mean I'm apologizing.  

DAMN!:lol:

That's close, I was just about to get soft on you.

[QUOTE="123625"]

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

Lansdowne5

I never claimed Evolution = Atheism. I said Evolution is the foundation of Atheism.

Alright, doesn't change the other things you said.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="123625"]

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

123625

I never claimed Evolution = Atheism. I said Evolution is the foundation of Atheism.

Alright, doesn't change the other things you said.

I was merely speaking my opinion which is based on the Truth. You don't have to accept it, as I say, it is only my observation. :)

 You know, if you're trying to evangelise, it's probably not a good idea to go around calling a group of people liars and fools. It's insulting, it's unpleasant, and it's downright untrue. If I generalised Christians that way, I'd be attacked by you, the rest of the CWU, and everyone else, and quite rightly, too. Funky_Llama

While a secondary aim is to evangelize, the primary aim is simply to present the Truth.

Yes, the Truth's like that, isn't it? Sometimes harsh, but always correct. :) 

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="123625"]

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

Lansdowne5

I never claimed Evolution = Atheism. I said Evolution is the foundation of Atheism.

Alright, doesn't change the other things you said.

I was merely speaking my opinion which is based on the Truth. You don't have to accept it, as I say, it is only my observation. :)

How in the world can you say Evolution is the foundation of Atheism (check out the letters of some of the founding fathers of the US) and then follow it up with "merely speaking my opinion which is based on the Truth."  Then in the next line say it's an observation.  I honestly do not know what to say to you I'm so frustrated with this topic, and your "I'm right. PERIOD." attitude.  I see your faith, and know you believe it serves you well.  I doubt your utter lack of attempting to enter into a two way conversation with others does.  I do not wish to insult you, as I think it is impolite to assume someone else is utterly wrong regardless of how well I do or do not know them or their education level, so I'll end my posts in this topic.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="123625"]

:| What? WHAT???

I came to this union to have relevant discussions with people who were interested in the same subjects as me, not seek fellowship with them :| Though I don't see that as a bad thing, as I don't want to souly exclude my presence to be within the christian comunity.

And I must wow over what you said. Evolution = Atheism? You have to be kidding me.

And you must not see me post in the christian union >_>

btaylor2404

I never claimed Evolution = Atheism. I said Evolution is the foundation of Atheism.

Alright, doesn't change the other things you said.

I was merely speaking my opinion which is based on the Truth. You don't have to accept it, as I say, it is only my observation. :)

How in the world can you say Evolution is the foundation of Atheism (check out the letters of some of the founding fathers of the US) and then follow it up with "merely speaking my opinion which is based on the Truth."  Then in the next line say it's an observation.  I honestly do not know what to say to you I'm so frustrated with this topic, and your "I'm right. PERIOD." attitude.  I see your faith, and know you believe it serves you well.  I doubt your utter lack of attempting to enter into a two way conversation with others does.  I do not wish to insult you, as I think it is impolite to assume someone else is utterly wrong regardless of how well I do or do not know them or their education level, so I'll end my posts in this topic.

Very well. But just one thing, I'm not saying, "I'm right. PERIOD", I'm saying "The Bible is right. PERIOD."