Discussion thread for the omnipotence paradox debate

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#1 Frattracide
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If you would like to discuss the debate between 12thArcane and Domatron23 on the question "Does the omnipotence paradox imply God's non-existence?" Please do so here

 

This debate is currently: CLOSED 

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#2 GabuEx
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I'm quite impressed by the perception domatron showed when he recognized that if God truly can do anything, then he can make it so that his nonexistence is not implied by the omnipotence paradox.  I'm interested to see how 12thArcane replies to that; I've actually never thought about that angle before. 

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#3 foxhound_fox
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I'm just completely lost.
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#4 12thArcane
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I'm just completely lost.foxhound_fox

 

xD, maybe I didn't use proper grammar... I must confess English is not my native language and most of what I know is self-taught... But I bet that should be easy to tell by now... If I made a mistake, or failed to explain myself correctly, please let me know...

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#5 foxhound_fox
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Oh, your English is fine... its just I'm completely lost on the subject matter. I've never been well-versed in mathematical philosophy.
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#6 GabuEx
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Oh, your English is fine... its just I'm completely lost on the subject matter. I've never been well-versed in mathematical philosophy.foxhound_fox

Which part are you confused on? 

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#7 domatron23
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I have my response lined up, but in trying to post it I got this

Your query string value is not valid [en|en].

*rages*

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#8 domatron23
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Ah, okay, I've got it working. I had to unlink two of the sources I used. I'm going to edit my post and try to re-insert them.
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#9 GabuEx
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Ah, okay, I've got it working. I had to unlink two of the sources I used. I'm going to edit my post and try to re-insert them.domatron23

I always use TinyURL when GameSpot's telling me it won't accept a URL I'm trying to link.

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#10 12thArcane
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I think this debate is close to an end... Or maybe not ;}... I know my side looks like the losing side, but although I always seem to be at the back of the race, it doesn't mean I can't win the race... I better take my time this time...
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#11 12thArcane
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My rebuttal is up =}... I think it surpassed the words-limit just a little... I should have requested permission... If this is a problem let me know...
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#12 domatron23
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Dang, I missed the week long time limit by four hours. Sorry for the tardiness guys. I've offered a concession which might wrap up the debate if 12thArcane agrees with what I've said. If he doesn't then I'll either have to be disqualified or the moderator will have to bend the rules a little to keep me in the debate.
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#13 GabuEx
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Dang, I missed the week long time limit by four hours. Sorry for the tardiness guys. I've offered a concession which might wrap up the debate if 12thArcane agrees with what I've said. If he doesn't then I'll either have to be disqualified or the moderator will have to bend the rules a little to keep me in the debate.domatron23

Given the state of activity in this union, I kind of don't think we need to be too stringent with rules. :P 

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#14 Frattracide
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Yeah, we'll let it ride for a little bit as long as Arcane is ok with it.
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#15 12thArcane
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I'm Ok with it, no prob...
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#16 Frattracide
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I wanted to do this a long time ago but I didn't

 

Moderator's notes:

This was our first formalized debate and I am really glad I got to moderate because I wanted to get a feel for the flow of discussion.

Firstly I will note that I was not very strict in rule enforcement. Both participants broke word count limits and both discussed the debate while it was still ongoing. However, I dont feel that these infringements impeded the debate in any way. I think our format is a good standard but, ultimately the strictness of rule enforcement should be left up to the moderator.

I will also note that, in one area, my laxness (If that is a word) resulted in the potential for unfair treatment towards one of the participants. Towards the end of the debate Dom exceeded the one week rule, but we elected to continue. After a few posts, Arcane exceed the limit as well. However I didn't extend the same courtesy to him, instead of asking if he wanted to continue, I just ended the debate. The discussion had run its course by this point but, in the interest of fair play, I should have asked. Lesson learned on my part.         

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#17 12thArcane
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I wanted to do this a long time ago but I didn't

 

Moderator's notes:

This was our first formalized debate and I am really glad I got to moderate because I wanted to get a feel for the flow of discussion.

Firstly I will note that I was not very strict in rule enforcement. Both participants broke word count limits and both discussed the debate while it was still ongoing. However, I dont feel that these infringements impeded the debate in any way. I think our format is a good standard but, ultimately the strictness of rule enforcement should be left up to the moderator.

I will also note that, in one area, my laxness (If that is a word) resulted in the potential for unfair treatment towards one of the participants. Towards the end of the debate Dom exceeded the one week rule, but we elected to continue. After a few posts, Arcane exceed the limit as well. However I didn't extend the same courtesy to him, instead of asking if he wanted to continue, I just ended the debate. The discussion had run its course by this point but, in the interest of fair play, I should have asked. Lesson learned on my part.Frattracide

I suggest a higher word limit for the next time. Perhaps 800 words for opening and 600 afterwards...

About the closure of the debate, I didn't feel treated unfairly. It was all according to the moderator's rules, the first time the three of us agreed to continue, the debate seemed far from concluding at that point. I think the second decision was valid and that it's up to the moderator to decide according to what he/she thinks is right depending on the debate situation...