Xbox Series X makes PC obsolete

Since when is wikipedia a reliable source of information?
LMAO

Since forever? You know that all the sources are listed on wiki, right?

My custom loop alone is worth 3x more than the XSX. Laughable. This gets said every generation.

Also...thermals. The day that consoles actually come with a proper thermal management solution that's the day I'll be concerned. Physics never lies, they're cooled by little aluminum heat sinks through an air flow restricted chassis. So they're mid tier hardware at best.

I'm impressed they have Gen 4.0 PCIE before Intel ever bothered to put it on their mainstream chips, but I've not seen PCIE Gen 3.0 saturated even in multi-GPU gaming yet.

@i_p_daily: don't insult idiots like that. casual4ever is just a coward. :P

but its not my fault that MP games suck and are dominate by kids.

lol go play PUBG and fortnite with 15 yo kids.

in the end, SP games rocks.

Just because you list many "gossip" (he said - she said) and untrustworthy websites as your source of information, doesn't make it valid at all - it's quite the opposite.

@ghosts4ever: no, its your fault you get your ass handed to you by 15yo kids. even 5 yo kids are smarter than trash game ai.

i dont even play MP let alone handed by kids lol. they are generic and they are full of casuals. I want exploration, completing objectives, story in games rather than random matches. thats why MP suck and SP Rocks.

currently playing Black Mesa. a masterpiece game.

@ghosts4ever: you cant handle competition. simple as that. Plus the stories are usually shit and not even on par with a B movie, more like a D or F.

ever played original Deus Ex and Mafia 1?

their stories are like oscar worthy.

Because having different stores that simultaneously suit different needs and improve through competition is somehow worse than every store being a walmart.

Windows has a "unified social platform", it's called Skype. But since people are free to look for and use better alternatives, they do.

it's still not the same thing, having more options makes it different. I didn't say it was better either. It's better for some people tho, like myself.

Right, because I'm sure Linus actually participates in a forum conversation casually.

At any rate, XSX = 12 TF, 2080 Ti = 14 TF. Even if we go by straight numbers, the XSX won't beat a last generation card in performance, 2 of them if we include the Titan.

The 3070 could beat out the 2080 Ti in power, and if that's the case, then there will be about 5 cards ahead of the XSX in terms of power. There's really nothing to be "salty" about--PC will still hold the top position in its mid-end lineup.

His inner pc elitist was showing, i can tell you that much.

@wizard: So how much did your custom loop cost then?

Cool story, brah. Also, thanks for the link that backs up your story.

And don't ask me where's the "salty" part. You're intelligent enough to find these kind of things on your own.

You're gonna make me watch this whole thing? Your argument is weak.

@DragonfireXZ95: You can find my argument whatever you like, its not important. Linus isn't pleased to see such powerful specs in a box that will cost hundreds upon hundreds of dollars less than a pc counterpart. It frustrates pc elitists, just like on this forum.

I love how you never pointed out the actual time of his "saltiness". You are literally making it up.

@dagubot: Well, assuming the XSX is 400-500, do the math.

Yes, custom loops are AWFUL value propositions.

@hardwenzen:

Dude, consoles should cost less than PCs even at a similar performance metric. You can't code, write essays, properly browse the web, or perform the hundreds of other things on a console. Really you should factor in a console + laptop into the cost comparison versus a desktop because for anyone above the age of 15 you'll need one of those too.

Also most of us PC enthusiasts put way to much money into this hobby. "Value" was thrown out the moment we bought a high end GPU.

I thought you would be able to tell on your own. Not hard to spot.

Still won't tell me. Alright, thanks for an argument without any substance. Good luck on your fanboy adventures.

There's no point for me to mention all his elitist arguments because i know for a fact that when i do, you'll find something new for me to prove. So you don't want to watch it and find it on your own? Mkay.

I play on PC so I can run any game at the frame rate I want. That's still not possible with XSX, so it's not even on my radar as a PC replacement.

Where is the salty part, and what is your point.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition/37.html

RTX 2080 Ti FE has 1824 Mhz average, hence 15.884 TFLOPS

@uninspiredcup:

yeap been hearing this for years now..

Intel doesn't care about pci-e4.0 because its useless towards them. Nothing saturates 3.0 for a very long time. At this point u are better of waiting for 5.0 to arrive.

GPU's will be bottlenecked by current gen CPU's before pci-e3 becomes a bottleneck.

That's exactly what happened, and yes that's also the reason why they let htemselves be bought up by microsoft. Otherwise the IP would have happened on PC.

However what the guy stated i quoted is simple a complete wrong take on what actually happened.

Hmm, Why are you guys saying that Intel Z490 is bad? Should I wait for Zen 3 as well?
I haven't really caught up on whats happening in the CPU world these days lol.

@bella989: ???????

PCI-E version 3 = Comet Lake-S line-up.

AMD's B550 equals Intel's RocketLake.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

@Paddy345: Dont click that link!, It's a bot spamming random users.

To saturate PEG version 3.0 (16 GB/s per direction) link,

1. CPU has to drive many geometry dots at the GPU. DX11 class GPUs are using tessellation hardware to amplify geometry dots to lessen the CPU burden. This is PC's well-known workaround to reduce the geometry bottleneck on the CPU side.

GPU's tessellation hardware doesn't solve geometry divergence when 3D objects are broken apart in different directions.

GPU's vertex instancing feature is recycling 3D objects in multiple times with different positions.

2. Runs out of VRAM and falls back to shared video memory allocated on system memory.

Current gen games are designed with PS4's dual 10GB/s CPU-to-GPU link lowest common denominator.

PS4 is barely "supercharge PC" when compared to Intel Sandybridge based systems with dual 8 GB/s CPU-to-GPU link (PEG version 2.0's 8 GB/s per direction).

PS5 would be the lowest common denominator when comes to CPU power and CPU-to-GPU links and it's based on PEG version 4.0.

AMD's mainstream B550 (PEG and NVME version 4.0 for everybody) arrives before November 2020's next-gen game consoles.

PC is not going to go obsolete by the Series X. We have gone through this every gen. Where a Console launches at a pretty competitive standard vs PC. Only to fall behind, and never enjoying the indie scene that the PC does.

Wikipedia is a good source as long as you avoid more sensitive topics like Politics, Religion, Sexuality.

A good wikipedia source will trace everything down. Which is why some college professors have nothing against students using it as a starting point.

I upgraded from Intel Sandybridge PEG version 2.0 due to Theif Mantle's performance boost with Haswell's PEG version 3.

Intel RocketLake has CPU PEG and CPU NVME in PCI-E version 4 with Southbridge being PCI version 3.0 just like AMD's B550.

AMD X570 has PCI-E 4.0 in both CPU's PEG + NVME and Southbridge's PEI-E slots + NVME.

"Intel doesn't care..." yeah, i 100% agree with that one. I cringed so hard when i was reading this shit: https://download-eu2.guru3d.com/slides/10th-gencore-guru3d.pdf :S