Will the Tales series ever rise to at least mediocrity?

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#1 whiskeystrike
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So Tales of Xillia has come and gone. I just don't get this series and who it appeals to. I've always thought the series has a bit of a reputation for fast and fluid combat with supposedly a decent story/cast...

Maybe it's a translation thing but Tales stories have always seemed horribly written. It's like Bamco took the most generic stories ever found in various anime and manga and used those for their Tales' series. Plus the terminology is so contrived and ridiculous. Am I supposed to take it serious? Or is this one of those just for laughs and giggles kinds of games and I missed the memo?

Don't even get me started on the combat. Attack a few times and then guard the counter-attack. Oh an enemy is casting a spell? Target it and disrupt it. Don't forget to spam only a few abilities over and over. Meanwhile your teammates are so incredibly overpowered there is very little for you, the player, to do. You can just kind of run in little circles while the AI does all the work. Combat in general is simply too flashy and feels too much like "press X for cool things to happen." There is virtually no strategy to the Tales series. No depth at all.

On top of all that the artstyles tend to be horrendous. Colorful doesn't mean creative. It's just all too much. I'm a grown man. I'd be so embarassed if anyone caught me playing this.

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#3 Capitan_Kid
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What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?
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#4 PhazonBlazer
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Symphonia was awesome.

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#5 ConanTheStoner
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Tales of Phantasia on the SNES is the only one I even remotely enjoyed.  I cant even bring myself to try most of the others.

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#6 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Joke thread?
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#7 finalstar2007
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What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?Capitan_Kid

The maid costume been on PSN store for 2 weeks now.

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#8 DJ-Lafleur
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I pretty much lost interest in the series since Vesperia.

It's probably one of the more stale series for me, only beaten by the NSMB series. 

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#9 GD1551
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Being a jrpg, it has no chance.

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#10 timbers_WSU
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Nope. All JRPG's are trash. It s up to Western Devs or European Devs to make good role playing games.

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#11 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Nope. All JRPG's are trash. It s up to Wetern Devs or European Devs to make good role playing games.

timbers_WSU

Being a jrpg, it has no chance.

GD1551
Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy VI. Dragon Quest VIII. Xenoblade. Tales of Symphonia.
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#12 Jonwh18
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Joke thread?charizard1605
he lost a bet. 

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#13 GD1551
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Nope. All JRPG's are trash. It s up to Wetern Devs or European Devs to make good role playing games.

charizard1605

Being a jrpg, it has no chance.

GD1551

Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy VI. Dragon Quest VIII. Xenoblade. Tales of Symphonia.

Not a very convincing argument.

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#14 Bigboi500
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Joke thread?charizard1605
How dare he make fun of Western reviewers and bro gamer forumites! Shame on you Whiskey, shame on you.

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#15 soulitane
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Not a very convincing argument.GD1551
and yet it's still a better argument than your own.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Joke thread?Jonwh18

he lost a bet. 

I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?
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#17 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?finalstar2007

The maid costume been on PSN store for 2 weeks now.

Isn't that one of the costumes you get for beating the game?

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#18 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Joke thread?charizard1605

he lost a bet. 

I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?

it got a 7 on GS

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#19 GD1551
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Joke thread?charizard1605

he lost a bet. 

I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?

It got 7.

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#20 caseystryker
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The series is destined for mediocrity.  After something like 10 or 12 games in the series they've established a solid fan-base, so I just don't think we're going to see a whole lot of change in the future games.  I think Tales of Symphonia is hands down the best Tales game to date that I've played.  I hated Tales of Vesperia.  Tales of Graces F was a solid game minus the weapon crafting mechanics.  I really enjoy the combat system, but the main problems IMO are that the voice acting is typically pretty weak and story lines just aren't very engaging.  With that said I still haven't played the latest installment, but I suspect it suffers from the same issues.

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#21 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Welp, so much for that :P
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#22 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]Not a very convincing argument.soulitane
and yet it's still a better argument than your own.

Nah, almost all the jrpgs have shitty combat and generic anime storylines so he's going to have to do better than listing games that fall under that category to convince anyone.

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#23 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="GD1551"]Not a very convincing argument.GD1551

and yet it's still a better argument than your own.

Nah, almost all the jrpgs have shitty combat and generic anime storylines so he's going to have to do better than listing games that fall under that category to convince anyone.

Your obvious ignorance is hilarious.

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#24 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] and yet it's still a better argument than your own.Jonwh18

Nah, almost all the jrpgs have shitty combat and generic anime storylines so he's going to have to do better than listing games that fall under that category to convince anyone.

Your obvious ignorance is hilarious.

I've only stated the truth.

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Eternia was a great game.
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#26 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="GD1551"]Not a very convincing argument.GD1551

and yet it's still a better argument than your own.

Nah, almost all the jrpgs have shitty combat and generic anime storylines so he's going to have to do better than listing games that fall under that category to convince anyone.

Your argument is still poor, man, you're not very good at the are you?
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#27 GD1551
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Your argument is still poor, man, you're not very good at the are you?soulitane

No I'm not good at the.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Joke thread?Jonwh18

he lost a bet. 

There's a score out? Well isn't this ironic.

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#29 Krelian-co
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such an appropiate gif, what anime is that do you know?

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#30 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Your argument is still poor, man, you're not very good at the are you?GD1551

No I'm not good at the.

Wow, simple typo. My point still stands, sweeping generalisations win no arguments.
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#32 Bigboi500
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Whiskey's troll thread: a place for trolls.

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#33 whiskeystrike
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Whiskey's troll thread: a place for trolls.

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Hmm?

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#34 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

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such an appropiate gif, what anime is that do you know?

I'm not sure of the Japanese name, but it roughly translates to "eighth grader syndrome", or something like that.

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#35 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Whiskey's troll thread: a place for trolls.

whiskeystrike

Hmm?

Good job of keeping them here.

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What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?Capitan_Kid

Trade in 459 jet black feathers in Sharilton for it.

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#37 takeastake
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Nope. All JRPG's are trash. It s up to Wetern Devs or European Devs to make good role playing games.

charizard1605

Being a jrpg, it has no chance.

GD1551
Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy VI. Dragon Quest VIII. Xenoblade. Tales of Symphonia.

Symphonia has a god awful story....and the gameplay problems fall in line with OP said.
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#38 Lucianu
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Not a very convincing argument.

GD1551

Valkyrie Profile. Suikoden II. Xenogears. Panzer Dragoon Saga. Shinning Force III.

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#39 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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I've only played Abyss, but I loved it. It felt like an anime with a brawler system thrown in, and an awesome story to boot. Maybe you just aren't the target audience?

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#40 Seabas989
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] he lost a bet. 

Jonwh18

I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?

it got a 7 on GS

So much for it being better then Xenoblade.

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#41 Raziel831991
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?Seabas989

it got a 7 on GS

So much for it being better then Xenoblade.

It clearly isnt better then Xenoblade but still Gamespot underrated it, its a solid game, it deserves an 8 IMO.

And lol at the Gamespot review, "storyline is confusing", I seriously cant stop laughing at that.

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#42 Krelian-co
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm confused, hasn't Xillia still not been reviewed? How did he lose the bet? IIRC, his bet was that it would be an AAAE. How can he have lost the bet if it never got any score?Seabas989

it got a 7 on GS

So much for it being better then Xenoblade.

it is actually pretty good, but you know, gamesspot

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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?archvile_78

Trade in 459 jet black feathers in Sharilton for it.

Those damn feathers! They take forever to accumulate. 100 more to go
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#44 archvile_78
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[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]What costume is Milla wearing?! How the hell do I get that?Capitan_Kid

Trade in 459 jet black feathers in Sharilton for it.

Those damn feathers! They take forever to accumulate. 100 more to go

Better than having to buy it in form of DLC though. :P

My favorite costume of her.

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#45 munkeypoo45
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Symphonia was awesome.

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yes it was!! loved that game! although i didnt finish it..... i didnt even get to the second disc..... :P

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#46 blackace
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] [QUOTE="GD1551"]

Being a jrpg, it has no chance.

GD1551

Chrono Trigger. Final Fantasy VI. Dragon Quest VIII. Xenoblade. Tales of Symphonia.

Not a very convincing argument.

Not a very convincing rebuttal. Those are some of the better JRPG games. I'd add Tales of Vesperia, Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch, FF VII, Lost Odyssey & Valkyria Chronicles.

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#47 ArchoNils2
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I actually enjoy it :S

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#48 blackace
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Nah, almost all the jrpgs have shitty combat and generic anime storylines so he's going to have to do better than listing games that fall under that category to convince anyone.

GD1551

Your obvious ignorance is hilarious.

I've only stated the truth.

No, you're stating your bias opinion, as any true JRPG fan would never agree with what you're saying. If you don't like J-Anime and their style of stories, you would never like JRPG's.

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#49 bbkkristian
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Don't even get me started on the combat. Attack a few times and then guard the counter-attack. Oh an enemy is casting a spell? Target it and disrupt it. Don't forget to spam only a few abilities over and over. Meanwhile your teammates are so incredibly overpowered there is very little for you, the player, to do. You can just kind of run in little circles while the AI does all the work. Combat in general is simply too flashy and feels too much like "press X for cool things to happen." There is virtually no strategy to the Tales series. No depth at all.

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You can make any game sound incredibly shallow. UNCHARTED: take cover, shoot, go in for punch. FFXIII: AUTO BATTLE, AUTO BATTLE, switch paradigms, AUTO BATTLE. NI NO KUNI: Attack, Defend for trick, attack, cast occasional spell. COD: run, aim, shoot, repeat. MARIO: Jump, grab power up, jump again, use power up ability, jump. Really, it's totally subjective.
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#50 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] it got a 7 on GS

Raziel831991

So much for it being better then Xenoblade.

It clearly isnt better then Xenoblade but still Gamespot underrated it, its a solid game, it deserves an 8 IMO.

And lol at the Gamespot review, "storyline is confusing", I seriously cant stop laughing at that.

I'll admit the first couple chapters of the game were slow, but once you hit the third chapter, the game gets really good really fast.