Wii Domination: The inevitable annihilation of the Xbox and Playstation brands

[QUOTE="spyrosklaou"] The sheep are relying on the fact that not everyone yet has a HDTV and the fact that the PS3 is 500 and 600 to think they are gonna win. How parthetic...Alunanite

Ummm...no.  A generational leap in consoles is not defined by how big an innovation a console is in terms of gameplay.  I'll let Dictionary.com explain:

 6.

a form, type, class, etc., of objects existing at the same time and having many similarities or developed from a common model or ancestor: a new generation of computers. Dictionary.com

What this means is that any class of object (in this case it's gaming consoles) that exist at the same time and play similar games are of the same generation.  The Wii plays similar games as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it just does so differently.  It is no more advanced technologically; it just has a different user-input device.  If the Wii controller makes it more advanced than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 simply because it forces users to play their games differently, the games that took advantage of the NES PowerGlove or the Sega Activator were of the same generation as the Wii.  Using that logic, all light-gun games were the only next-gen games released in the past decade.

The recent news has sparked a lot of criticism of Nintendo recently, and for good reason. They did after all renege on their promise of DVD play-back and open-storage capabilities. However, the fact is that the Wii represents the console incarnation of the DS. The DS, despite Nintendo's domination, was suppose to go the route of the 64 in the face of the PSP's advanced tech. Like the PSone, the PSP had media capabilities, a new disc format, and supposedly would get more software support. Yet, this time around it crumpled and the DS dominated. Thats because the strategy of innovation and simplicity is a winning one in today's gaming market. The Wii, while certainly not as rosy as it was a few days ago, is still gonna dominate this generation by leaps and bounds. First lets clear up some myths:

*The Wii does not have Gamecube graphics, it has about 2-4x as much power as the Gamecube, and 1.5x as much as the original Xbox. It is not using outdated technology, its developing new tech designed to work with the new control software and hardware.

*The Wii will not only have free online, but it will be infinitely more integrated than the DS online. With a single friend code for all games (or gamertag to compare to Live.)

*Nintendo is taking a chunk out of their royalities to ensure that games stay at $50, instead of $60 for new releases and $70 for mega-titles.

Now that those common misconceptions have been cleared up, it should be worth noting that the game graphics for the Wii will be advanced enough to compete with the original Xbox and when coupled with the new control scheme will be a much more indepth experience that either the 360 or PS3. If there are three kiosks in a Gamespot, and all three have Madden 2007, and all three have graphics more powerful than the last generation, you are going to try out the one where you can throw the damn football. Its gonna be a year, two at most, before the Wii starts outselling the PS3 and 360 combined. People wanna say PSWii and Wii60, but the fact is that kind of mentality will only last in the first few months and launch windows. By the time people get a chance to compare the functionability (and realize graphic differences will be even less noticable than the PS2-Xbox gap) then there is only going to be one compeititor.
The Lemmings and Cows tried to pair off with the Sheep because of the huge E3 victory Nintendo pulled off (10 hour lines = victory, yes.) But the fact is that the Wii is going to become the PS2 of this generation, and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to remain the scope of the niche gamer who playes the occasional good game like Gears of War or Assassin's Creed. The war is about to begin, and you guys are gonna get Wii-Dominated.
Alunanite

The Wii sure seems set to sell a lot of consoles, this winter in particular. But unlike all prior Nintendo consoles, Wii is shabby rubbish, distinguished by nothing but a unique controller. Moreover, the technology in the controller, like everything about the Wii, is simple and cheap, which is to say, easily replicated. If Wii's unique interface becomes a hit, you can count on Wii's competitors to introduce their own motion-sensing controllers; wait, one of them already has.

How special will Wii be when both Sony and MS have released their motion-sensing or precision-aiming controllers? At that time the only difference will be cost. Unfortunately for Nintendo, cost becomes less of a factor in every console generation, as prices drop. Will Wii's future be so rosy when its competitors' prices fall, and they also both feature motion-sensitivity/precision-aim interfaces? How long did N64's single analog stick distinguish it from PS1? Mind you, the PS1 was in many ways less powerful than N64. What will save Wii then?

Wii-mote's speaker?

Sony's motion is a cheap knock off with no rumble and the 360 will be a add-on with poor software support. So nintendo has motion on lock this gen plus actually has real fun software unlike sony.

I'm glad you're hopeful and stuff, but I think you are not seeing some pretty obvious eventualities. Your post was a fun read, all the same.
WeeWeeJumbo

The Wii sure seems set to sell a lot of consoles, this winter in particular.  But unlike all prior Nintendo consoles, Wii is shabby rubbish, distinguished by nothing but a unique controller.  Moreover, the technology in the controller, like everything about the Wii, is simple and cheap, which is to say, easily replicated.  If Wii's unique interface becomes a hit, you can count on Wii's competitors to introduce their own motion-sensing controllers; wait, one of them already has.

How special will Wii be when both Sony and MS have released their motion-sensing or precision-aiming controllers?  At that time the only difference will be cost.  Unfortunately for Nintendo, cost becomes less of a factor in every console generation, as prices drop.  Will Wii's future be so rosy when its competitors' prices fall, and they also both feature motion-sensitivity/precision-aim interfaces?  How long did N64's single analog stick distinguish it from PS1?  Mind you, the PS1 was in many ways less powerful than N64.  What will save Wii then?

Wii-mote's speaker?

I'm glad you're hopeful and stuff, but I think you are not seeing some pretty obvious eventualities.  Your post was a fun read, all the same.
WeeWeeJumbo

So what you're predicting is that Sony and Microsoft will blatantly copy the Wii, and then the Wii is in trouble?

From what I've seen, it's better to make something than to steal something, because the maker always has the first step, while the stealer is playing catch-up. The PSP is "modeled after the GBA" (Which is a gross understatement) but that's just Sony playing catch-up, which killed them, because Nin was making the next move.

To the TC:

Keep saying things like this and you might be in for a lot of disapointment in a few years.

This kind of thread is a big stupidity IMO. All consoles will have great games, and will have great failures as well, in its life cycle, so why say something as stupid as the subtitle of this thread?

I say wait and see. In a few years things may not be as good as you believe it will, or come to be as you wish it will, till then, this thread is quite off reality.

The Wii sure seems set to sell a lot of consoles, this winter in particular. But unlike all prior Nintendo consoles, Wii is shabby rubbish, distinguished by nothing but a unique controller. Moreover, the technology in the controller, like everything about the Wii, is simple and cheap, which is to say, easily replicated. If Wii's unique interface becomes a hit, you can count on Wii's competitors to introduce their own motion-sensing controllers; wait, one of them already has.

How special will Wii be when both Sony and MS have released their motion-sensing or precision-aiming controllers? At that time the only difference will be cost. Unfortunately for Nintendo, cost becomes less of a factor in every console generation, as prices drop. Will Wii's future be so rosy when its competitors' prices fall, and they also both feature motion-sensitivity/precision-aim interfaces? How long did N64's single analog stick distinguish it from PS1? Mind you, the PS1 was in many ways less powerful than N64. What will save Wii then?

Wii-mote's speaker?

I'm glad you're hopeful and stuff, but I think you are not seeing some pretty obvious eventualities. Your post was a fun read, all the same.
WeeWeeJumbo

[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="spyrosklaou"] The sheep are relying on the fact that not everyone yet has a HDTV and the fact that the PS3 is 500 and 600 to think they are gonna win. How parthetic...guch20

Ummm...no. A generational leap in consoles is not defined by how big an innovation a console is in terms of gameplay. I'll let Dictionary.com explain:

6.

a form, type, class, etc., of objects existing at the same time and having many similarities or developed from a common model or ancestor: a new generation of computers. Dictionary.com

What this means is that any class of object (in this case it's gaming consoles) that exist at the same time and play similar games are of the same generation. The Wii plays similar games as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it just does so differently. It is no more advanced technologically; it just has a different user-input device. If the Wii controller makes it more advanced than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 simply because it forces users to play their games differently, the games that took advantage of the NES PowerGlove or the Sega Activator were of the same generation as the Wii. Using that logic, all light-gun games were the only next-gen games released in the past decade.

[QUOTE="guch20"]

[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="spyrosklaou"] The sheep are relying on the fact that not everyone yet has a HDTV and the fact that the PS3 is 500 and 600 to think they are gonna win. How parthetic...stilfro

Ummm...no. A generational leap in consoles is not defined by how big an innovation a console is in terms of gameplay. I'll let Dictionary.com explain:

6.

a form, type, class, etc., of objects existing at the same time and having many similarities or developed from a common model or ancestor: a new generation of computers. Dictionary.com

What this means is that any class of object (in this case it's gaming consoles) that exist at the same time and play similar games are of the same generation. The Wii plays similar games as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, it just does so differently. It is no more advanced technologically; it just has a different user-input device. If the Wii controller makes it more advanced than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 simply because it forces users to play their games differently, the games that took advantage of the NES PowerGlove or the Sega Activator were of the same generation as the Wii. Using that logic, all light-gun games were the only next-gen games released in the past decade.

Thats my point exactly. Its a control innovation.

Consoles are quite different to handhelds mate.ratzeh

Handheld systems != consoles The type of gaming performed on a handheld is vastly different than on a console. I love how sheep think that because the DS was a success, the Wii must invariably be a huge success as well.Vampyronight

Sheep laugh at cows for assuming ps2 sales number = psp success, now they are seeing DS as a wii success

The Wii sure seems set to sell a lot of consoles, this winter in particular.  But unlike all prior Nintendo consoles, Wii is shabby rubbish, distinguished by nothing but a unique controller.  Moreover, the technology in the controller, like everything about the Wii, is simple and cheap, which is to say, easily replicated.  If Wii's unique interface becomes a hit, you can count on Wii's competitors to introduce their own motion-sensing controllers; wait, one of them already has.

How special will Wii be when both Sony and MS have released their motion-sensing or precision-aiming controllers?  At that time the only difference will be cost.  Unfortunately for Nintendo, cost becomes less of a factor in every console generation, as prices drop.  Will Wii's future be so rosy when its competitors' prices fall, and they also both feature motion-sensitivity/precision-aim interfaces?  How long did N64's single analog stick distinguish it from PS1?  Mind you, the PS1 was in many ways less powerful than N64.  What will save Wii then?

Wii-mote's speaker?

I'm glad you're hopeful and stuff, but I think you are not seeing some pretty obvious eventualities.  Your post was a fun read, all the same.
WeeWeeJumbo

I share the sentiment.

Looking beyond the Wii name its still same old nintendo for you.

Zelda and mario, mario spin offs, MP and 1 or 2 hit third party titles

Nintendo Wii is basically allowing you to play Last gen games differently. Not Worth $250 to me.

how is 2-4 x more power not considered next gen.  I think people are too harsh on the wii for graphics.  2-4x metroid prime and re4 sounds just fine for next gen. 

As for the original post I am all for the wii but to think its going to obliterate the competition is just silly. The other 2 consoles just fit a different niche and i personally need both niches to be filled.  I love nintendo and i have since the nes days but Im still getting one or both of the other systems. To deny greatness of something just because of a label is gaming racism and nobody likes a racist. 

The Wii sure seems set to sell a lot of consoles, this winter in particular. But unlike all prior Nintendo consoles, Wii is shabby rubbish, distinguished by nothing but a unique controller. Moreover, the technology in the controller, like everything about the Wii, is simple and cheap, which is to say, easily replicated. If Wii's unique interface becomes a hit, you can count on Wii's competitors to introduce their own motion-sensing controllers; wait, one of them already has.

How special will Wii be when both Sony and MS have released their motion-sensing or precision-aiming controllers? At that time the only difference will be cost. Unfortunately for Nintendo, cost becomes less of a factor in every console generation, as prices drop. Will Wii's future be so rosy when its competitors' prices fall, and they also both feature motion-sensitivity/precision-aim interfaces? How long did N64's single analog stick distinguish it from PS1? Mind you, the PS1 was in many ways less powerful than N64. What will save Wii then?

Wii-mote's speaker?

I'm glad you're hopeful and stuff, but I think you are not seeing some pretty obvious eventualities. Your post was a fun read, all the same.
WeeWeeJumbo

I would love for what your saying to be true but i believe that the wii will dominate until the ps3 comes out at which point they will be at the same level. Because the ps3 has the graphics and the wii has the innovation.---DSLite---

The recent news has sparked a lot of criticism of Nintendo recently, and for good reason. They did after all renege on their promise of DVD play-back and open-storage capabilities. However, the fact is that the Wii represents the console incarnation of the DS. The DS, despite Nintendo's domination, was suppose to go the route of the 64 in the face of the PSP's advanced tech. Like the PSone, the PSP had media capabilities, a new disc format, and supposedly would get more software support. Yet, this time around it crumpled and the DS dominated. Thats because the strategy of innovation and simplicity is a winning one in today's gaming market. The Wii, while certainly not as rosy as it was a few days ago, is still gonna dominate this generation by leaps and bounds. First lets clear up some myths:

*The Wii does not have Gamecube graphics, it has about 2-4x as much power as the Gamecube, and 1.5x as much as the original Xbox. It is not using outdated technology, its developing new tech designed to work with the new control software and hardware.

*The Wii will not only have free online, but it will be infinitely more integrated than the DS online. With a single friend code for all games (or gamertag to compare to Live.)

*Nintendo is taking a chunk out of their royalities to ensure that games stay at $50, instead of $60 for new releases and $70 for mega-titles.

Now that those common misconceptions have been cleared up, it should be worth noting that the game graphics for the Wii will be advanced enough to compete with the original Xbox and when coupled with the new control scheme will be a much more indepth experience that either the 360 or PS3. If there are three kiosks in a Gamespot, and all three have Madden 2007, and all three have graphics more powerful than the last generation, you are going to try out the one where you can throw the damn football. Its gonna be a year, two at most, before the Wii starts outselling the PS3 and 360 combined. People wanna say PSWii and Wii60, but the fact is that kind of mentality will only last in the first few months and launch windows. By the time people get a chance to compare the functionability (and realize graphic differences will be even less noticable than the PS2-Xbox gap) then there is only going to be one compeititor.
The Lemmings and Cows tried to pair off with the Sheep because of the huge E3 victory Nintendo pulled off (10 hour lines = victory, yes.) But the fact is that the Wii is going to become the PS2 of this generation, and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to remain the scope of the niche gamer who playes the occasional good game like Gears of War or Assassin's Creed. The war is about to begin, and you guys are gonna get Wii-Dominated.
Alunanite

Theres alot of things that are wrong with your argument.  Yea you see Madden 07 at a gaming store the difference is the Wii version looks slightly better then the gamecube while the 360 and PS3 versions look leaps and bounds better.  Im sorry but the graphical differnce between the 360/PS3 and the Wii is huge.  Even casuals will be able to tell the differnce and in all honesty its going to bite Nintendo in the ass. 

Will the Wii dominate?  Not likely it will most likely come in last place but Nintendo will do fine considering they are making profit on every console they sell.  As for your arguments with the DS well theres a big problem there.  You see the handheld market and the console market is quite differnt.  Handhelds appeal to people in there preteens are even younger .  Say what you want but more then half the people that own a handheld cant even drive.  Cheaper is better as kids really dont have a say in what system there going to get if there competitor cost 100 bucks more .  As for consoles they appeal to alot older audience and no real gamer will be satisfied by only having a Wii.   Casuals are going to see a massive difference in quality and for many people the Wii wont be something that gamers find that attractive. 

Handheld systems != consoles The type of gaming performed on a handheld is vastly different than on a console. I love how sheep think that because the DS was a success, the Wii must invariably be a huge success as well.Vampyronight

Its about innovation. Unlike cows who will say that the reason PS3 is better is due to specs and power (N64 anyone?) and that PS2 and PS1 both won their generations, so obviously PS3 will win :roll:

The fact is regardless of the differences between the handheld and console markets, the DS and Wii share some paralells, i think thats what many other sheep (i personally never cite the DS sales as a reason why Wii might dominate) are referring to.

1. Both feature unique and seemingly unconventional gameplay types (DS' touch screen and the Wii's controller and nunchuk)

2. Both are less powerful and therefore much less expensive than competitors, perhaps increasing the chances of casual gamers purchasing them?

3. The DS is selling more than the PSP despite the PSP's media capabilities, PS3 has Blu-Ray. I am surprised at the PSP faring less than expected as well, but maybe its partly due to Sony's inexperience in the handheld market?

A PSP gives you a portable DVD player, although I imagine the range of titles is severely limited. Im sure lots of ppl would have bought it just for that, other for the games, and some for both. Yet the PSP still lost? So perhaps the PS3 despite its alleged 'superiority' over the Wii wont win after all? Just a thought. And note ive given REASONS for why the DS and Wii may be comparable, something ive seen few others do.

This thread makes me :lol::cry::lol::cry::lol::cry: