The recent news has sparked a lot of criticism of Nintendo recently, and for good reason. They did after all renege on their promise of DVD play-back and open-storage capabilities. However, the fact is that the Wii represents the console incarnation of the DS. The DS, despite Nintendo's domination, was suppose to go the route of the 64 in the face of the PSP's advanced tech. Like the PSone, the PSP had media capabilities, a new disc format, and supposedly would get more software support. Yet, this time around it crumpled and the DS dominated. Thats because the strategy of innovation and simplicity is a winning one in today's gaming market. The Wii, while certainly not as rosy as it was a few days ago, is still gonna dominate this generation by leaps and bounds. First lets clear up some myths:
*The Wii does not have Gamecube graphics, it has about 2-4x as much power as the Gamecube, and 1.5x as much as the original Xbox. It is not using outdated technology, its developing new tech designed to work with the new control software and hardware.
*The Wii will not only have free online, but it will be infinitely more integrated than the DS online. With a single friend code for all games (or gamertag to compare to Live.)
*Nintendo is taking a chunk out of their royalities to ensure that games stay at $50, instead of $60 for new releases and $70 for mega-titles.
Now that those common misconceptions have been cleared up, it should be worth noting that the game graphics for the Wii will be advanced enough to compete with the original Xbox and when coupled with the new control scheme will be a much more indepth experience that either the 360 or PS3. If there are three kiosks in a Gamespot, and all three have Madden 2007, and all three have graphics more powerful than the last generation, you are going to try out the one where you can throw the damn football. Its gonna be a year, two at most, before the Wii starts outselling the PS3 and 360 combined. People wanna say PSWii and Wii60, but the fact is that kind of mentality will only last in the first few months and launch windows. By the time people get a chance to compare the functionability (and realize graphic differences will be even less noticable than the PS2-Xbox gap) then there is only going to be one compeititor. The Lemmings and Cows tried to pair off with the Sheep because of the huge E3 victory Nintendo pulled off (10 hour lines = victory, yes.) But the fact is that the Wii is going to become the PS2 of this generation, and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to remain the scope of the niche gamer who playes the occasional good game like Gears of War or Assassin's Creed. The war is about to begin, and you guys are gonna get Wii-Dominated.
:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:
[QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll: Most people actually dont have HD capabilities. Maybe near the end of the generation if tech prices drop and the economy doesn't fail. It will be a necessity NEXT generation, not this generation. Thats a fact.
No, its the most anticipated like the PS2 was last generation. It has the most hype and the most support coming into the war (3rd party's dont go to town on the PS3 and Xbox 360's capbilities, but they praise the Wii up and down.) It also has the same proven strategy that the DS used to kill off a well-financed and backed comeptitor.
[QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:
Maybe if you close your eyes and belive that hard enough, most people will get n HDTV.
Lets just analyze this... Even though you're a HARDCORE x1000 sheep, would you really want hi-def eye-popping next gen graphics technology to go away? Even if you dont like ps3 or 360 games, wouldn't you want to at least have the option of choosing stunning graphics? Because the elimination of xbox and ps brands means essentially that: 5 more years of NOTHING BUT old gen graphics w/ awesome gameplay
When MS drops the price of the 360 to $350 this holiday season they will be offering a console that is an infinitely better deal than the GC 1.5. Not only will you get next gen gameplay like the GC 1.5. but the added bonus of graphics at least twice as good is more than worth the $100. Nintendo doesn't have any thing locked up yet.
[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:
Maybe if you close your eyes and belive that hard enough, most people will get n HDTV. Precisely. While he's trying can he get me one too? Also, maybe he can get intuitive control put into the PS3 and Xbox360.
nintendo console sales have been going down ever since the nes was first released...snes sold less then nes...n64 sold less then snes and GC SOLD LESS then n64
[QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:Alunanite
Most people actually dont have HD capabilities. Maybe near the end of the generation if tech prices drop and the economy doesn't fail. It will be a necessity NEXT generation, not this generation. Thats a fact.
Walk into a BB store. The FACT is HDTVs take up allmost all the floor space for TVs. Its needed now and nintendo missed the boat.
Handheld systems != consoles The type of gaming performed on a handheld is vastly different than on a console. I love how sheep think that because the DS was a success, the Wii must invariably be a huge success as well.
When MS drops the price of the 360 to $350 this holiday season they will be offering a console that is an infinitely better deal than the GC 1.5. Not only will you get next gen gameplay like the GC 1.5. but the added bonus of graphics at least twice as good is more than worth the $100. Nintendo doesn't have any thing locked up yet.
Gamer46
I will concede the first half year is going to be compeitive. But the fact is, if the Xbox 360 isn't outselling the Wii by 50% by June then its gonna be in trouble. In a year we will know the winner for sure. This holiday season everything is gonna sell out. Its no bell weather.
Lets just analyze this... Even though you're a HARDCORE x1000 sheep, would you really want hi-def eye-popping next gen graphics technology to go away? Even if you dont like ps3 or 360 games, wouldn't you want to at least have the option of choosing stunning graphics? Because the elimination of xbox and ps brands means essentially that: 5 more years of NOTHING BUT old gen graphics w/ awesome gameplaypeterrobau
But with few people having HDTVs and with exploding console costs, for many, there is no option. I'll be ready for high-def when its at a reasonable pirce, just like the other %90 of Americans.
Yeah cause me and my friends are dropping $2k plus to get HD sets to go out and and play Low res games.
LOL.
Nintendo is totally miscalculating how much next gen power is needed to compete in this generation. What is Nintendo going to compete with when GeOW launches? Or FF 13 or Assasins creed or MGS4?
And spare me the Nintendo lie. "Gampeplay over graphics" I could rattle off tons of great games that appeared on the Xbox and PS2 that had awesome gameplay. GamePlay doesn't have to be simple to be fun and the gaming community's taste for more sophistication in games is insatiable. The only thing Ninty has is the only thing Ninty has had for a while LOZ cause Mario means nothing to most gamers today.
nintendo console sales have been going down ever since the nes was first released...snes sold less then nes...n64 sold less then snes and GC SOLD LESS then n64Crabby_Patties
And if the Wii was just a GC with more power and HD, I'd expect that trend to continue.
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="GG7"]:lol: You're kidding right? How can a suped up GameCube possibly beat modern HD capable consoles like the 360 and the PS3? Not everyone still games on a GoldStar 19" TV with RF input only! :roll:-CC-
Most people actually dont have HD capabilities. Maybe near the end of the generation if tech prices drop and the economy doesn't fail. It will be a necessity NEXT generation, not this generation. Thats a fact.
Walk into a BB store. The FACT is HDTVs take up allmost all the floor space for TVs. Its needed now and nintendo missed the boat.
A lot of people dont buy their TV at BB, and many who do are just buying digital to update their analog before the turnover. Its not a necessity, next generation it will be. It just nice to have, but ultimately useless in the face of completely different control scheme with comparable graphics (comparable not better.) You cant play a real RTS on the Xbox360 or PS3, no matter how pretty it is. You can on the Wii, and you can reinvent 50 different genres while you are at it.
Oh and sheep, before you forget, MS has this little game called Halo 3 that is still yet to come out. I don't know why, but I just have a feeling that game is going to have MS sitting very pretty after it gets released. :)
[QUOTE="Crabby_Patties"]nintendo console sales have been going down ever since the nes was first released...snes sold less then nes...n64 sold less then snes and GC SOLD LESS then n64goblaa
And if the Wii was just a GC with more power and HD, I'd expect that treand to continue. Precisely. Nintendo beat everyone to the ball on the motion-based gameplay. Microsoft wasn't even looking at it, and Sony still had a generation to go before they thought it feasible (they were taking baby steps with their 6-direction controller.) The fact is that Nintendo has something new, and better, than everyone else. Its so well-built that its gonna supplant the old controller in 2 years.
Oh and sheep, before you forget, MS has this little game called Halo 3 that is still yet to come out. I don't know why, but I just have a feeling that game is going to have MS sitting very pretty after it gets released. :)Gamer46
I acknowledged that there will be a lot of games for niche gamers that are good on both consoles. But they are gonna split the hardcore community between themselves and the Wii, and the college jockeys who dont catch on or adopted too early with the X360.
Yeah cause me and my friends are dropping $2k plus to get HD sets to go out and and play Low res games.
LOL.
Nintendo is totally miscalculating how much next gen power is needed to compete in this generation. What is Nintendo going to compete with when GeOW launches? Or FF 13 or Assasins creed or MGS4?
And spare me the Nintendo lie. "Gampeplay over graphics" I could rattle off tons of great games that appeared on the Xbox and PS2 that had awesome gameplay. GamePlay doesn't have to be simple to be fun and the gaming community's taste for more sophistication in games is insatiable. The only thing Ninty has is the only thing Ninty has had for a while LOZ cause Mario means nothing to most gamers today.
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Sony and Microsoft are the ones miscalculating. Their obsolete control schemes are too bulky and complicated to play the vastly growing and superior games of today. Eventually things are going to have to be intuitive in order to be playable. This is the first step if not the first incarnation. The Wii will dominate when the ability of control is shown to be two generations ahead of anything else the compeititon has.
You're an idiot if you think Halo 3 will only have a "niche" following. It will move 360s and it will easily be one of the top two best selling games next gen along with GTA IV.
Fact Consoles Don't Equal Handhelds Sorry But Thread Failed.-Blasphemy-
They don't, but the strategy being used isn't mutually exclusive. Your post fails for not making the distinction, and furthermore, not backing up your own point. The fact that you just quoted rhetoric proves you are just a talking head for the otherside. A talking head who found time to post 2700 times (unbelievable.)
It will move 360s the same way a new Mario or Zelda release moved Gamecubes. It will produce a spike, but the momentum is going to be squarely with the new control scheme, the new games, and the reinvented genres. Only diehards and some of the mainstream will keep buying 360s or PS3s after the next holiday season (2007 Season).
No, its the most anticipated like the PS2 was last generation. It has the most hype and the most support coming into the war (3rd party's dont go to town on the PS3 and Xbox 360's capbilities, but they praise the Wii up and down.) It also has the same proven strategy that the DS used to kill off a well-financed and backed comeptitor.Alunanite
Only in the online commuinty. go ask any random person on the street I bet they will tell you they never even heard of Wii but I bet they know all about PS3.
You say third parties are praising it but it's mainly just the third parties that support GCN now if third parties love it so much why out of all the three it has the less games in development?
It will move 360s the same way a new Mario or Zelda release moved Gamecubes. It will produce a spike, but the momentum is going to be squarely with the new control scheme, the new games, and the reinvented genres. Only diehards and some of the mainstream will keep buying 360s or PS3s after the next holiday season (2007 Season).Alunanite
[QUOTE="Alunanite"]No, its the most anticipated like the PS2 was last generation. It has the most hype and the most support coming into the war (3rd party's dont go to town on the PS3 and Xbox 360's capbilities, but they praise the Wii up and down.) It also has the same proven strategy that the DS used to kill off a well-financed and backed comeptitor.-Blasphemy-
Only in the online commuinty. go ask any random person on the street I bet they will tell you they never even heard of Wii but I bet they know all about PS3.
You say third parties are praising it but it's mainly just the third parties that support GCN now if third parties love it so much why out of all the three it has the less games in development?
Handhelds don't equal consoles fact.
That didn't have anything to do with what he said. All he's saying is that touch generation can be applyed to the Wii. What does that have to do with advertising?
[QUOTE="Alunanite"]No, its the most anticipated like the PS2 was last generation. It has the most hype and the most support coming into the war (3rd party's dont go to town on the PS3 and Xbox 360's capbilities, but they praise the Wii up and down.) It also has the same proven strategy that the DS used to kill off a well-financed and backed comeptitor.-Blasphemy-
Only in the online commuinty. go ask any random person on the street I bet they will tell you they never even heard of Wii but I bet they know all about PS3.
You say third parties are praising it but it's mainly just the third parties that support GCN now if third parties love it so much why out of all the three it has the less games in development?
Handhelds don't equal consoles fact.
No one on the street knew about a NES or a PS2 before they become huge. Only the gamers of the day. Hard to imagine, I know, but its true. The Wii has the least (if you can really make that call at this time) because frankly is the newest and most advanced tech out there (not graphic wise, software/control wise.) Devs needed time to grasp the concept and get ideas, but that they did. Fact is, that Ubisoft wasnt making GCN exclusives before the Wii, and Activision, THQ, and EA were rarely publishing anything outside movie titles (much less revamping franchises for the GCN specifically, like they are doing for the Wii.)
[QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.goblaa
Huh? MS came out swingin' at E3. They did great. They did better than the PS3 (because Sony basically took a shotgun and shot themselves in the foot.... 8 times.) MS didn't approach the after-E3 hype that the Wii maintained. They just didnt screw up.
[QUOTE="-Blasphemy-"]Fact Consoles Don't Equal Handhelds Sorry But Thread Failed.Alunanite
They don't, but the strategy being used isn't mutually exclusive. Your post fails for not making the distinction, and furthermore, not backing up your own point. The fact that you just quoted rhetoric proves you are just a talking head for the otherside. A talking head who found time to post 2700 times (unbelievable.)
Again you fail handhleds are good because they are mainly aimed at kids, they are good on the go, cheap for what you get. Although DS brings something new to gaming it is fairly simple and it still manages to keep the traditional style of gamimg layout today.
Only similarity I can see between the Wii and DS is that it's kiddy. The control scheme is not traditional and is more of a gimic if you ask me. Can you honestly tell me your going to be moving your rist aiming it at your T.V. for hours at a time? It's just not practical. Futhermore the third party titles many are very weak titles and Wii just doesn't have great third party support at all and that's what is all going to come down to.
[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.Alunanite
Huh? MS came out swingin' at E3. They did great. They did better than the PS3 (because Sony basically took a shotgun and shot themselves in the foot.... 8 times.) MS didn't approach the after-E3 hype that the Wii maintained. They just didnt screw up.
uhhh........I cant take you seriously. MS had either the best or tied for best presentation at E3, EGM, IGN and 1UP rated their E3 shows and keynote #1 overall out of all 3 major companies. The Halo 3 video was downloaded on Xbox Live over 2 million times in the first 24 hours and MS put over 30 pieces of content on the marketplace over 3 days.........if thats not a victory then by god, Nintendo got crushed.
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="-Blasphemy-"]Fact Consoles Don't Equal Handhelds Sorry But Thread Failed.-Blasphemy-
They don't, but the strategy being used isn't mutually exclusive. Your post fails for not making the distinction, and furthermore, not backing up your own point. The fact that you just quoted rhetoric proves you are just a talking head for the otherside. A talking head who found time to post 2700 times (unbelievable.)
Again you fail handhleds are good because they are mainly aimed at kids, they are good on the go, cheap for what you get. Although DS brings something new to gaming it is fairkl simple and it still manages to keep the traditional style of gamimg layout today.
Only similarity I can see between the Wii and DS is that it's kiddy. The control scheme is not traditional and is more of a gimic if you ask me. Can you honestly tell me your going to be moving your rist aiming it at your T.V. for hours at a time? It's just not practical. Futhermore the third party titles many are very weak titles and Wii just doesn't have great third party support at all and that's what is all going to come down to.
You are the one who is not getting it, and it shows when you call both consoles kiddie. Each console has or will launch with very mature titles (Red Steel, Castlevania, Metroid Hunters, Trauma Center, Zelda TP, ect.) While out of all the current consoles, the DS is getting the most FFs and mature RPGs from Square Enix out of any of them. The fact is that the DS is not kiddie, and is certainly not cheap when compared to previous handhelds. But even if you were right, the fact is that Wii is not kiddie or cheap either. Its different, and its going to not only reinvent all the genres, and make new ones, but its gonna attract new people to gaming the PS3 and XBox360 never could. Its over. Strategy wise Nintendo has all the momentium. All of it. The PS3 and Xbox360 would have to undergo major fundamental changes in order to compete with the Wii and its inevitably huge appeal.
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.E2ESQUARE
Huh? MS came out swingin' at E3. They did great. They did better than the PS3 (because Sony basically took a shotgun and shot themselves in the foot.... 8 times.) MS didn't approach the after-E3 hype that the Wii maintained. They just didnt screw up.
uhhh........I cant take you seriously. MS had either the best or tied for best presentation at E3, EGM, IGN and 1UP rated their E3 shows and keynote #1 overall out of all 3 major companies. The Halo 3 video was downloaded on Xbox Live over 2 million times in the first 24 hours and MS put over 30 pieces of content on the marketplace over 3 days.........if thats not a victory then by god, Nintendo got crushed.
It wasnt victory. No one was talking about the 360 after the E3. It did good, it had games, but the fact is, millions more were crushing Sony and talking about the Wii, then predicted Halo 3 trailer.
[QUOTE="Alunanite"]No, its the most anticipated like the PS2 was last generation. It has the most hype and the most support coming into the war (3rd party's dont go to town on the PS3 and Xbox 360's capbilities, but they praise the Wii up and down.) It also has the same proven strategy that the DS used to kill off a well-financed and backed comeptitor.goblaa
Only in the online commuinty. go ask any random person on the street I bet they will tell you they never even heard of Wii but I bet they know all about PS3.
You say third parties are praising it but it's mainly just the third parties that support GCN now if third parties love it so much why out of all the three it has the less games in development?
Handhelds don't equal consoles fact.
That didn't have anything to do with what he said. All he's saying is that touch generation can be applyed to the Wii. What does that have to do with advertising?
I replied right i'm wandering did you even read what he said?
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.Alunanite
Huh? MS came out swingin' at E3. They did great. They did better than the PS3 (because Sony basically took a shotgun and shot themselves in the foot.... 8 times.) MS didn't approach the after-E3 hype that the Wii maintained. They just didnt screw up.
uhhh........I cant take you seriously. MS had either the best or tied for best presentation at E3, EGM, IGN and 1UP rated their E3 shows and keynote #1 overall out of all 3 major companies. The Halo 3 video was downloaded on Xbox Live over 2 million times in the first 24 hours and MS put over 30 pieces of content on the marketplace over 3 days.........if thats not a victory then by god, Nintendo got crushed.
It wasnt victory. No one was talking about the 360 after the E3. It did good, it had games, but the
 fact is, millions more were crushing Sony and talking about the Wii, then predicted Halo 3 trailer.
so you are basing your entire opinion based on the selective things you have seen and heard in videogame forums with videogame hardcores over the past 6 months? ANd you think thats an accurate representation of the 150 million console consumers? You are insane
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="Alunanite"]Says the Lemming who had his console mowed over in E3.E2ESQUARE
Huh? MS came out swingin' at E3. They did great. They did better than the PS3 (because Sony basically took a shotgun and shot themselves in the foot.... 8 times.) MS didn't approach the after-E3 hype that the Wii maintained. They just didnt screw up.
uhhh........I cant take you seriously. MS had either the best or tied for best presentation at E3, EGM, IGN and 1UP rated their E3 shows and keynote #1 overall out of all 3 major companies. The Halo 3 video was downloaded on Xbox Live over 2 million times in the first 24 hours and MS put over 30 pieces of content on the marketplace over 3 days.........if thats not a victory then by god, Nintendo got crushed.
It wasnt victory. No one was talking about the 360 after the E3. It did good, it had games, but the
fact is, millions more were crushing Sony and talking about the Wii, then predicted Halo 3 trailer.
so you are basing your entire opinion based on the selective things you have seen and heard in videogame forums with videogame hardcores over the past 6 months? ANd you think thats an accurate representation of the 150 million console consumers? You are insane
Where did I say that? Seriously quote me. What I said, was that Nintendo won the E3 Hype battle, and it did. My entire opinion and argument is based on the very good logical reasons I presented in the beginning of this thread, and then defended against baseless 1 sentence arguments and innuendo.
Only in the online commuinty. go ask any random person on the street I bet they will tell you they never even heard of Wii but I bet they know all about PS3.
You say third parties are praising it but it's mainly just the third parties that support GCN now if third parties love it so much why out of all the three it has the less games in development?
Handhelds don't equal consoles fact.
Alunanite
No one on the street knew about a NES or a PS2 before they become huge. Only the gamers of the day. Hard to imagine, I know, but its true. The Wii has the least (if you can really make that call at this time) because frankly is the newest and most advanced tech out there (not graphic wise, software/control wise.) Devs needed time to grasp the concept and get ideas, but that they did. Fact is, that Ubisoft wasnt making GCN exclusives before the Wii, and Activision, THQ, and EA were rarely publishing anything outside movie titles (much less revamping franchises for the GCN specifically, like they are doing for the Wii.)
Your the one who said it's the most anticipated. And yeah, people knew about PS2 before it launched to that's why it had all those mass shortages for months. Go to IGN and look at all the games that have been announced for each platform or even here and you will se Wii has the least amount in development.
Ubisoft is giving major support I'll give you that but the rest are not jumping on the Wii bandwagon yet. They all are porting their usual garbage to the platform and EA? :lol: Don't make me laugh yeah they maybe changing the control scheme for their games but outside of the usual franchise they put on GCN there is nothing new. I don't see them making NCAA basketball or football or Nascar for Wii. Hell Wii is not even getting the next Burnout just like GCN.
[QUOTE="Alunanite"][QUOTE="-Blasphemy-"]Fact Consoles Don't Equal Handhelds Sorry But Thread Failed.Alunanite
They don't, but the strategy being used isn't mutually exclusive. Your post fails for not making the distinction, and furthermore, not backing up your own point. The fact that you just quoted rhetoric proves you are just a talking head for the otherside. A talking head who found time to post 2700 times (unbelievable.)
Again you fail handhleds are good because they are mainly aimed at kids, they are good on the go, cheap for what you get. Although DS brings something new to gaming it is fairkl simple and it still manages to keep the traditional style of gamimg layout today.
Only similarity I can see between the Wii and DS is that it's kiddy. The control scheme is not traditional and is more of a gimic if you ask me. Can you honestly tell me your going to be moving your rist aiming it at your T.V. for hours at a time? It's just not practical. Futhermore the third party titles many are very weak titles and Wii just doesn't have great third party support at all and that's what is all going to come down to.
You are the one who is not getting it, and it shows when you call both consoles kiddie. Each console has or will launch with very mature titles (Red Steel, Castlevania, Metroid Hunters, Trauma Center, Zelda TP, ect.) While out of all the current consoles, the DS is getting the most FFs and mature RPGs from Square Enix out of any of them. The fact is that the DS is not kiddie, and is certainly not cheap when compared to previous handhelds. But even if you were right, the fact is that Wii is not kiddie or cheap either. Its different, and its going to not only reinvent all the genres, and make new ones, but its gonna attract new people to gaming the PS3 and XBox360 never could. Its over. Strategy wise Nintendo has all the momentium. All of it. The PS3 and Xbox360 would have to undergo major fundamental changes in order to compete with the Wii and its inevitably huge appeal.
PS3 and 360 are aimed at adults you know those people who actually have the money to buy systems. This is what Nintendo can't get away from and it's because of the kind of games they make. Perfect for handhelds not so perfect for consoles when the majority of them are purchased by people over the age of 20.
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