Why The Wii U Might Dominate Next Gen

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Jonwh18

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musicalmac

Depends on how you define traditional? I mean it would be by 15 year old standard of traditional. But today console tradition is to be multimedia hubs, not just for games but movies, TV, music and social networks as well.

Depends on how you define traditional? I mean it would be by 15 year old standard of traditional. But today console tradition is to be multimedia hubs, not just for games but movies, TV, music and social networks as well.

AdobeArtist

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At first glace, the Wii U probably appears to be a continuation of the same short sighted philosophy that made the Wii lose steam in the end. It doesnt seem to be all that much more powerful than current generation systems. Nintendo is once again counting on using a unique controller, this time a tablet, to sell the system. How will this thing fare once the Xbox and Playstation successors hit?

Thats a fair question. The Nintendo fanboys age old response to the power question when it comes to consoles is that its the games that matter, not the power of the system. But as this generation has conclusively proven, the games wont come until the system is powerful enough to support them, and this leaves us asking the question- will the Wii U find itself similarly dwarfed by the Xbox and Playstation successors when they launch, so that it becomes the next generations Wii? Will third parties, all of which seem to be quite eager to support Nintendos system for now, drop it like a rock because it will be too weak?charizard1605

With Unreal Engine 4, Epic themselves stated that the engine will be highly and fully scalable to all devices, including mobile devices. If mobile devices can run Unreal 4, then the Wii U can too, although it probably cant support the full feature set. What this means is, third parties can basically put their games as they are on the Wii U, disable the high end physics and graphics setting that the Wii U probably cannot handle, and just sell it on the Wii U for minimal cost, with a minimal amount of copies sold required to even break even. Yes, the Xbox 3 and PS4 versions will most probably be superior but the Gamecube and Xbox versions of multiplat games were always superior to PS2 versions, and that never mattered. As long as the Wii U is getting all the games, its in the race, even if it lacks some of the high end finesse said games will have on the other systems.GamingBolt

Of course, now this brings us to the killer question: yes, the Wii U can run scaled down versions of next gen games. Yes, the online and control scheme arent an issue. But why would you buy a Wii U in the first place to play inferior versions of games, when you can just go to the next Xbox or Playstation instead, and also keep all your friends lists and achievements intact while you are at it?

Why indeed. Because Nintendo is using the same technique Sony used with PS2 to get a headstart, thats why. Because even if you arent interested in Nintendos first party, they are making sure you will want to buy a Wii U anyway, to play a third party developed game that appeals to your sensibilities, that will be available only on the Wii U. From Rayman Legends, the sequel to last years breakout hit Rayman Origins, to Day-Z inspired Wii U exclusive survival horror ZombiU, from mass action title The Wonderful 101, to Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and finally, Bayonetta 2, the ultra violent, super sexed up sequel to one of this generations most hardcore games, whatever that means, all of which are only available on the Wii U youll probably end up buying one, if only to play these games.

GamingBolt

Where does that leave us? The Wii U is launching at least a year before any of its competitors. It has a fully traditional control scheme, as well as the hook to sell it to the casuals. It has all the Just Dances and Wii Fits of the world, in addition to core third party support, both exclusive and multiplatform, from Rayman, ZombiU and Bayonetta to Call of Duty and Assassins Creed. It has the formidable backing of Nintendos first party. It has a full featured online suite. Its just powerful enough to support any and all kinds of games.GamingBolt

What do you guys think? Do you think the Wii U is indeed the 'perfect storm?' Do you think that, if handled right, it could become the go to system next generation, if only on the basis of its library?

You abandoned us with the Wii U Hype Thread :(TheDidact

[QUOTE="TheDidact"]You abandoned us with the Wii U Hype Thread :(charizard1605

Wii U will just be another outdated system that people only buy for Nintendo's 1st party, which would be better on the other more powerful systems. I do not care if it dominates or not, but by the look of it, it seems like it's going to be a big disappointment.

I don't know how the sheep faction can just keep being so tolerant of this, the Wii was not a good system all things considered, what does the Wii U offer? More 1st party? That is all Nintendo only has going for them.

Where is this supposed great online infastructure? Where are these next gen graphics? Where is this new 3rd party support? All I see is crappy friend codes again, current gen graphics, and multiplats I can already play on my PS3 and 360.

So what does the Wii U offer me? Just Zelda and Mairo and some other 1st party games and that's it. I think Nintendo will have a harder time winning consumers over again.

Nice editorial Char.

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NoodleFighter

Wiiu already has 15 million pre orders. It already is dominating.Heirren

15M? You're having a laugh?

I don't know if it will "dominate", but it will sure as hell be successful.

Wiiu already has 15 million pre orders. It already is dominating.Heirren

i believe wii u will dominate not only based off sellouts already but ---- history , they say history tends to repeat it self ,

and lets look at what happened with nes to snes ps1 to ps2 ,

they succeeded the ps2 launched early and sold well the wii on the other end of the fence came out later and sold alot

i think wii u is going to be the same runaway if not close to , that of the wii or snes,

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Wiiu already has 15 million pre orders. It already is dominating.charizard1605

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Let's be honest here, western developers haven never really given two sh*t's about handheldsShinobishyguy

Western developers never really give two sh*ts to Nintendo in general.....

Like, 90% of all the good games on the DS came from Japanese devs.

Hopefully that will change with the WiiU. Japan itself is (finally) adopting Western games instead of stubbornly sticking to it's own. Ubisoft has already given a huge presence on the WiiU and a lot of the games on WiiU that are multiplats actually look a lot better (Aliens utilising the tablet as a motion scanner)

I'm glad Nintendo is no longer ignoring the 3rd party. You can play Nintendo games for only so long

I honestly think it will be a repeat of this gen. WiiU being the weak kid on the block, PS4/X720 being the gym freaks always trying to build up muscle, and the PC being the bodybuilder of the bunch.:cool:

Wii u could be stronger tehn the ps4 and xbxo 720.It is not weaker or on par with the hd twins.It is to early to judge since the wii u has not reached its potential.

[spoiler] Also it will be more likely since sony is in to much financial trouble to make a really strong system and microsoft is going casual [/spoiler]

free_milk

The only I.P. from Nintendo that still interests me is Star Fox. I'm not going to pay $350 just to play the same multiplats that I can get on my PS3. It will do well as long as it continues to have solid third party support. Though, I don't think it will take #1 spot this time around.

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Wii u could be stronger tehn the ps4 and xbxo 720.It is not weaker or on par with the hd twins.It is to early to judge since the wii u has not reached its potential.

[spoiler] Also it will be more likely since sony is in to much financial trouble to make a really strong system and microsoft is going casual [/spoiler]

caseypayne69

I don't see the Wii U selling that much at launch. I do see it becoming a real big success over time.
Though from the latest reports it could actually be selling a lot at launch and that could be explained. I mean this generation has been dragging on for a while (except on PC :D).

I do see that Nintendo is the only one out of the 3 or potentially 4 (Valve) who has a sustainable console strategy. I may want to make a new thread about that. The others are slowly making themself obsolete.

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That is all well and good, but I (and most others) buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. The Wii was simply a letdown for the first party lineup. Nintendo needs to prove to me that they can still make Zelda and Metroid right. if not, I just don't care. I think I know the answer too. Get rid of Miyamoto.

Shinobishyguy

Miyamoto hasn't directed Zelda and Metroid in years. Why are you suddenly demonizing the man :?

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ah... a PC master race God came down from heaven to chat with commoners...

we're sorry the wiiU is not different enough for you my king.

musicalmac

I'm guessing you're waiting for the next Apple TV that will play Appstore games with your iPad 3 connectivity?

'Dominate' and 'most power' have almost never co-existed together in the console arena.

pretty dumb article haha. comparing PS4 will be nothing like with PS2,the graphics downgrade will amazingly worse if they even bother to port to wiiu.killzowned24

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care personally. It could sell 200 million units and have 40+ AAA exclusives, I wont be buying it. PopeReal

Sig worthy.

The Wii benefited from being the "it" electronic device that caught the eye of the non-traditional gamer. I don't see that happening with the Wii U.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care personally. It could sell 200 million units and have 40+ AAA exclusives, I wont be buying it. Heil68

Sig worthy.

I wish I lived in the world that you fanboys live in.

I might of actually bought this had it been a significant step up in power from the PS3 and 360. Alas, Nintendo had to be p*ssies... again. I like my next gen consoles to actually be, you know, NEXT GEN. Nintendo are such flippen morons.

I wish I lived in the world that you fanboys live in.

Chris_Williams

I highly doubt it'll happen.

It'll be like Dreamcast, except supported heavily by 1st party Nintendo games, bizzare quirky 3rd party games and still selling, though NOT like hotcakes like the Wii. Almost all major 3rd party developers will support it in the first few years, after that, almost all developers will either simply abandon it or create more uninteresting half-ass games no core gamer gives a rat's ass about.

Also, it's like fall of 1999. Project Dolphin, PS2, and Rumored XBOX were all mentioned while the Dreamcast was flying off shelves........at the end of that year, people were holding off or skeptical in buying a Dreamcast and would rather see what the PS2, GC or XBOX had in store, more so people were interested in PS2. And we all know what happened there.

Not saying WiiU will die like the DC. But gamers tend to have that "holding off" mentality before splurging on an upcomging console. Like the Dreamcast. The problem with Nintendo and WiiU is core gamers HEAVILY associated big 3rd party games towards MS and Sony consoles and it'll be a tough fight for Nintendo to win back that core gaming demographic.

I don't think the nextbox and PS4 are going to be as quite a huge spec leap as everyone believes. Alot of complaints went out about the Wii U being too pricey at $350 and considering the "new" ps3 super slim is priced at $300. if the next gen specs that every one wants comes out then we're looking at a price of $600 for a few years, which means not a whole lot of people are going to be picking them up until the price drops. So that gives The Wii U plenty of time to rule the market and by the time enough of the nextboxes and Ps4s are sold to flip it around, Nintendo will be coming around the bend to Drop another console to repeat the cycle and take the lead again. Sphensen

Really?

PS3 looks better than wiiu NOW and is years old,haha. Also, your pricing if off, you can get the Assassins Creed 3 500GB bundle for $300.

[QUOTE="Sphensen"]I don't think the nextbox and PS4 are going to be as quite a huge spec leap as everyone believes. Alot of complaints went out about the Wii U being too pricey at $350 and considering the "new" ps3 super slim is priced at $300. if the next gen specs that every one wants comes out then we're looking at a price of $600 for a few years, which means not a whole lot of people are going to be picking them up until the price drops. So that gives The Wii U plenty of time to rule the market and by the time enough of the nextboxes and Ps4s are sold to flip it around, Nintendo will be coming around the bend to Drop another console to repeat the cycle and take the lead again. killzowned24

Really?

PS3 looks better than wiiu NOW and is years old,haha. Also, your pricing if off, you can get the Assassins Creed 3 500GB bundle for $300.

This thread is a no-no.

I think the Wii was a gimick device that sold 30-40% of it's units to non-traditional gamers; who will not be repeat customers because they have moved on to Samsung Galaxy 3s, iPhone 5s, iPads, and the like.

So, would selling 30-40 million Wii-Us be a failure for Nintendo?

I think the Wii was a gimick device that sold 30-40% of it's units to non-traditional gamers; who will not be repeat customers because they have moved on to Samsung Galaxy 3s, iPhone 5s, iPads, and the like.

So, would selling 30-40 million Wii-Us be a failure for Nintendo?

StormyJoe

It will dominate in sales, but everything else it will be the laughing stock. LOL "next gen" console cant't run a call of duty game in full 1080p.

I think this article sort've goes with this thread.

Interview with Unity's CEO

Wii U will support the Unity platform, and the companys CEO David Helgason has explained to VG247 that the engine will be brought in-house at Nintendo for all of its first-party studios to use, as well as its third-party partners. Helgason has also explained that the deal will give the Unity community free reign to develop titles for Wii U.

Speaking with VG247, Helgason explained how the deal with Nintendo came about, stating that Unity approached them five years earlier as well as Sony but it was not a big enough industry player at the time.

Helgason said, Its actually been a dream of ours to be the default development kit for something you can access if youre just building games for a particular console. I remember we pitched the idea to at last Nintendo, but also Sony maybe five years ago, but of course back then we were a tiny company, and we didnt have a lot of users.

So, it was understandable that they didnt bite back then, Helgason continued, although I think they should have, because the tools were really good back then, but they werent yet proven. We didnt have 1.2 million registered users, or 200,000 monthly users back then we probably had closer to 200.

Our prowess grew very quickly thanks to the explosion of mobile, and that helped us grow our user base and improve our tools. I cant describe the exact steps we took with Nintendo, but we were in touch with them, and in the end they may have even come to us. I cant remember the exact steps.

Unity is undergoing a large push in Japan, bolstered by the hiring of ex-Sega of America CEO Shinobu Toyoda, who proved instrumental in securing a deal with Nintendo.

Helgason recalled, We were over in Japan last year with our really good tech people who are famous in the Japanese industry, such as Shinobu Toyoda, who was the American CEO of Sega. He is very well connected. So we led the charge on this partnership we were excited about it, as were Nintendo.

From then on we negotiated a bunch of stuff, like who would do what and when. I think its interesting because were still working on tools that mean you can take a version of Unity and export it to the Wii U. Its not done yet, but we know its going to get done soon.

Helgason also explained the manner in which Nintendo will use Unity, and revealed that the company plans on rolling the engine out to all of its first and third-party studios to create a standard of cost-effective, powerful development.

Its going well, Helgason explained, and were firing along with the project. Once thats done, two things will happen, and these are separate things, but I think they are connected and they will work really well together.

One thing is that Nintendo will take Unity tools that we give them, and bring it to their big ecosystem of studios. Nintendo has first-party, third-party and all of the other studios that theyve worked with for years, and they know them well.

They trust them because they know how to make awesome games for Nintendo platforms. Historically, none of these companies were using Unity, and they have the same challenges as everybody else cost effective development and all that stuff.

So Nintendo is bringing Unity to these studios so they can build with it. The second thing that will happen is that, we turn around with the same tools and technology were working on, and take them to our community, which is a different one.

Nintendos community is very formidable and respected, theyve been around for a long time. We turn to our community which is new, very energetic of course we have old studios, but there are a lot of young ones too and many of them have built games for consoles before.

But many more have never built console games, or published on any console. What is exciting there is that are many studios out there that make hit games on iOS, Android or Steam, but hopefully many of these studios will be able to bring their games to Wii U, and thats just really exciting.

The deal could cause the range of Wii U titles to explode, particularly because major mobile players such as Rovio will be given free reign to develop titles for Nintendos format. Helgason shares the sentiment.

If the Wii U is and we hope it will be a big success, then that will be a big deal for a lot of those developers.