Why The Wii U Might Dominate Next Gen

Charizard... ypou already had the official WiiU thread. And the first one to break the embargo is... you? Why, why? :?

AdobeArtist

Gonna have a hard time winning over the ps360ers. They are way too settled into xbox live and psn with all their friends. Black Ops 2 wiiu is the worst choice since you have a miniscule players base compared to the competition and good luck convining friends to buy a console that does nothing new besides another gimmicky control scheme. wii was a fad and history wont repeat itself.

PC VS Wii U The battle between gods!!!!

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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]The point you bring up is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the contents of this thread, so I don't see why I should argue it. But you know what, what the hell, I'll bite. How about the fact that while it did have your 'typical five year' lifecycle for a Nintendo console, game development for it almost completely stopped for it after year four on both the first party front and the third party front? charizard1605

Exactly. So it's a feat that an SD system with no online to speak of, and non existant support, sold 10m units, 4m less than its competitors with games like MW3, Skyrim, UC2 and ofc Kinect.

"Short sighted philosophy" is simply incorrect. They think long term; in a period of 10 years Wii+Wii U sales will be >>> PS3+PS4 or 360+Xbox3.

The system is going to hit its peak year before its competitors begin to take off.

It's not about having a short vs long lifecycle, not what I'm debating. That's a philosophical question.

What's better, 75 million hardware units sold over the course of 8 years, or 100m sold over the course of 6 and then being alone next gen for at least 12 months + 1 holiday. And don't make me pull out the income graph.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

He worked with SS closer to the end, changing things cause he didnt like it. And I bet they were not good changes, since he is the same guy who thought blowing monkeys and a single analog stick were a good idea. I don't know who had the idea to put team ninja on Metroid, but that was a terrible one.

NaveedLife

Your cat died or something?

No not my cat. He is fat and happy. My soul died...My soul died when Nintendo took my favorite franchises and ripped their hearts out leaving but great games, rather than masterpieces :P.

Yeah right

"Remarkably, this Zelda game manages to reshape its control scheme, design sensibility and pacing all at once while still telling a brilliantly powerful story featuring some very memorable characters. Increasingly Nintendo refuses to compromise cinematic storytelling for gameplay, finding a balance that seems effortless." -- IGN 10/10

Whether or not it's the best ever Zelda game is open to debate, but it's certainly up there. However, nobody could argue that it's anything less than a masterclass in the art of crafting video games. -- Guardian 10/10

"A master class in videogame design."-- Eurogamer Spain 10/10

A magnificent homage for the 25th anniversary of one the biggest franchises in gaming, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword provides a compelling gaming and artistic showcase for the indefatigable potential of the medium as a whole, and a reason to have gaming as a hobby.-- PALGN 9.5/10

"A huge departure for Zelda and a proper arrival for Wii's motion controls. Link's latest is rule-breaking, dream-weaving, tech-loving, heart-soaring stuff. If it Wii's last hurrah, they don't come more impassioned than this."-- CVG 9.8/10

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

He worked with SS closer to the end, changing things cause he didnt like it. And I bet they were not good changes, since he is the same guy who thought blowing monkeys and a single analog stick were a good idea. I don't know who had the idea to put team ninja on Metroid, but that was a terrible one.

NaveedLife

Plus you could still slam the ground like in the older games:?

But it was totally unnecessary, adding another waggle oriented control to do something that was necessary at times and needed often to collect things. This slowed down the fast paced action of the game and made its bonus collectibles and such not about being hard to find and fun to obtain, but about keepign your eyes peeled for everything possible to blow on.

Unless if you have to stop and blow for every collectable I don't see how it can be as annoying as you're making it out to be

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care personally. It could sell 200 million units and have 40+ AAA exclusives, I wont be buying it. PopeReal

Sig worthy.

Charizard... ypou already had the official WiiU thread. And the first one to break the embargo is... you? Why, why? :?

AdobeArtist

Why can't we make a couple of Wii U threads to discuss an 8th gen home console?

What's the big deal if it gets flooded initially? There's alot new stuff to discuss.

Just lock the troll threads from the get go and everything will be fine, but noooo

It's not about having a short vs long lifecycle, not what I'm debating. That's a philosophical question.

What's better, 75 million hardware units sold over the course of 8 years, or 100m sold over the course of 6 and then being alone next gen for at least 12 months + 1 holiday. And don't make me pull out the income graph.

SuperFlakeman

So they make it so you look at the details in the background to find hidden goodies. How is that a bad thing?

Unless if you have to stop and blow for every collectable I don't see how it can be as annoying as you're making it out to be

Shinobishyguy

However decided that waggle to roll was a good idéa should have his hands slapped with a ruler until that person knows better.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

It's not about having a short vs long lifecycle, not what I'm debating. That's a philosophical question.

What's better, 75 million hardware units sold over the course of 8 years, or 100m sold over the course of 6 and then being alone next gen for at least 12 months + 1 holiday. And don't make me pull out the income graph.

JLF1MarkII

I want to play the new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon 25 years from now, and not in the shape of modern Sonic either. Sales matter. Just ask Sega and Sony.

I'm willing to compromise as a consumer if the system ensures long time survival.

And yes, I would've been very pissed off at Sony right now if I were attached to their properties. You realize PSV is their last handheld right.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So they make it so you look at the details in the background to find hidden goodies. How is that a bad thing?

Unless if you have to stop and blow for every collectable I don't see how it can be as annoying as you're making it out to be

JLF1MarkII

However decided that waggle to roll was a good idéa should have his hands slapped with a ruler until that person knows better.

I want to play the new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon 25 years from now, and not in the shape of modern Sonic either. Sales matter. Just ask Sega and Sony.

I'm willing to compromise as a consumer if the system ensures long time survival.

SuperFlakeman

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Dont care personally. It could sell 200 million units and have 40+ AAA exclusives, I wont be buying it. TheDidact

Sig worthy.

He's a closet sheep, he has a Wii U preordered for his "kids" this holiday season

Could be. Looking foward to it quite a bit more than I was before actually. I just hope it's more powerful than it seems so that it can keep up with the next gen.

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So they make it so you look at the details in the background to find hidden goodies. How is that a bad thing?

Unless if you have to stop and blow for every collectable I don't see how it can be as annoying as you're making it out to be

Shinobishyguy

Whoever decided that waggle to roll was a good idéa should have his hands slapped with a ruler until that person knows better.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

That is all well and good, but I (and most others) buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. The Wii was simply a letdown for the first party lineup. Nintendo needs to prove to me that they can still make Zelda and Metroid right. if not, I just don't care. I think I know the answer too. Get rid of Miyamoto.

NaveedLife

Miyamoto hasn't directed Zelda and Metroid in years. Why are you suddenly demonizing the man :?

He worked with SS closer to the end, changing things cause he didnt like it. And I bet they were not good changes, since he is the same guy who thought blowing monkeys and a single analog stick were a good idea. I don't know who had the idea to put team ninja on Metroid, but that was a terrible one.

I believe that you started reading Sean Malstrom's blogs, right? However, it's Aonuma that made the changes for Skyward Sword, not Miyamoto. Sakurai should be fired for trying to kill the Metroid franchise

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

I want to play the new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon 25 years from now, and not in the shape of modern Sonic either. Sales matter. Just ask Sega and Sony.

I'm willing to compromise as a consumer if the system ensures long time survival.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

I want to play the new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon 25 years from now, and not in the shape of modern Sonic either. Sales matter. Just ask Sega and Sony.

I'm willing to compromise as a consumer if the system ensures long time survival.

Shinobishyguy

Western developers never really give two sh*ts to Nintendo in general.....

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

I'm not arguing money or no money here. Nintendo made a lot money on the Gamecube, they made a ton more on the Wii yet we as the consumers didn't get anything more for it. We had to beg for quick ports of already finished games. It was pathetic on Nintendo's side. Their cheap tactics of not localizing games, not securing better third party support and not developing new innovative idéas but instead rehashed the same idéa again and again with the Wii cost them the core market to the PS3/360/pC, the casual to iOS and PC and a lot of their loyal fanbase moved on as well.

The problem is that right now Nintendo can not afford to make stupid cheap decisions. We don't live in the SNES era anymore no matter how Nintendo wishes that. The consumers will move to greener pastures. Nintendo failed to make the harsh decisions with the 3DS and now it's straight up abandoned in the west. Nintendo can not afford to make the same cheap penny saving backwards decisions with the Wiiu.

FYI I'm not talking about the hardware here. I'm fine with both the 3DS and Wiiu in terms of power. It's everything else that's messed up.

FireEmblem_Man

Western developers never really give two sh*ts to Nintendo in general.....

Like, 90% of all the good games on the DS came from Japanese devs.

Let's be honest here, western developers haven never really given two sh*t's about handheldsShinobishyguy

Paper Mario not announced yet but hinted several times for a early-mid 2013 release.

Nintendo aren't releasing games on it, Third party devs aren't releasing games on it. It's much better in Japan. Iwata desperately hoped that NSMB2 would change everything. It didn't make a dent. Now nothing is happening. Everyone is either screaming or laughing at Sony for not trying to save the already dead Vita when they can't afford it but most seem to have forgotten that Iwata doesn't do anything about the poor showing for the 3DS in the west when they can afford it, multiple times over.

They are loosing the war to save pennies.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

I want to play the new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon 25 years from now, and not in the shape of modern Sonic either. Sales matter. Just ask Sega and Sony.

I'm willing to compromise as a consumer if the system ensures long time survival.

JLF1MarkII

3DS isn't doing spectacular numbers overseas but it's a waaay healthier platform than Vita.

But I also wonder what they are doing, Paper Mario must be launching this year, they can't have no big 1st party game for Q4 lol. And eShop has been sucking too lately.

NSMB 2 and XL do help alot. While they didn't bump system they make sure it sustaints its current sales rather than drop down into the abyss like PSV.

Rayman Legends will be on the 360 / PS3 in no timeRR360DD

the whole game is designed around the wiiU gamepad... its not possible on the 360 or ps3.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]What the hell?

Miyamoto hasn't directed Zelda and Metroid in years. Why are you suddenly demonizing the man :?

FireEmblem_Man

He worked with SS closer to the end, changing things cause he didnt like it. And I bet they were not good changes, since he is the same guy who thought blowing monkeys and a single analog stick were a good idea. I don't know who had the idea to put team ninja on Metroid, but that was a terrible one.

I believe that you started reading Sean Malstrom's blogs, right? However, it's Aonuma that made the changes for Skyward Sword, not Miyamoto. Sakurai should be fired for trying to kill the Metroid franchise

Nope. Who is he? I don't know who to blame for Metroid. Prime 3, Hunters, and Other M were all letdowns.

hey chaz, there isn't a m, g, h, or t in the word "will" :P

The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.musicalmac

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Rayman Legends will be on the 360 / PS3 in no timeKBFloYd

the whole game is designed around the wiiU gamepad... its not possible on the 360 or ps3.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.musicalmac

ah... a PC master race God came down from heaven to chat with commoners...

we're sorry the wiiU is not different enough for you my king.

ah... a PC master race God came down from heaven to chat with commoners...

we're sorry the wiiU is not different enough for you my king.

KBFloYd

Wii won next gen just like Wii did this gen. Weakest console wins. Another innovation over power console from Nintendo? Yes, Please. Wii da best....U!!!!

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

ah... a PC master race God came down from heaven to chat with commoners...

we're sorry the wiiU is not different enough for you my king.

musicalmac

i'm supposed to look silly...im the clown of system wars.. the forum joke.

but you want me to do homework on who you are? you have 19000 posts but that must have been back in the old days because i dont ever see you post anymore. so i don't know if your a hermit or cow or whatever.

maybe you just post in graphics and pc threads...that's why i don't know you.

3DS isn't doing spectacular numbers overseas but it's a waaay healthier platform than Vita.

But I also wonder what they are doing, Paper Mario must be launching this year, they can't have no big 1st party game for Q4 lol. And eShop has been sucking too lately.

NSMB 2 and XL do help alot. While they didn't bump system they make sure it sustaints its current sales rather than drop down into the abyss like PSV.

SuperFlakeman

Making the 3DS's hardware sales sound good by comparing it to a system that is selling worse than the Dreamcast kinda misses the point.

Anyway, my original point was that Nintendo isn't a modern company and is hurt currently by their old standards. Not suggesting that they should sell their souls, simply saying that they need to spend some of their war-chest right now when it really matters.

• Open up 2-3 more studios to guarantee software support for both of their systems, make a ton more deals with third party devs like B2 and MH4.
• Make the 3DS E-shop and VC actually matter by getting any form of content on them. "No, I don't want your awful GB game give me Golden Sun". The 3DS VC could be system for past handhelds but it barely gets 1-2 GB and GBC games a month. It's pathetic, you have the library, use it.
• Making sure that you hit every niche and don't be afraid to use affordable loss-leaders. Taking a hit by localizing a niche game is worth it if it gets your fanbase to stay with the system. Every game that you release should be localized worldwide. Hire more translators if necessary.
• Don't half ass games anymore, it's not a good long term strategy. There is no reason why games like Mario Tennis lacks so much content compared to previous games i the franchise and lack online, which reminds me. We shouldn't immediately be able to point out what's lacking in your game.
• Take online seriously this time around. Make us feel comfortable with our purchases on the Wiiu E-shop.

If they do this correctly they should be able to earn more money instead of losing them. Nintendo can not live on name alone anymore or they will shrink to a more and more niche market.

i'm supposed to look silly...im the clown of system wars.. the forum joke.

but you want me to do homework on who you are? you have 19000 posts but that must have been pack in the old days because i dont ever see you post anymore. so i don't know if your a hermit or cow or whatever.

maybe you just post in graphics and pc threads...that's why i don't know you.

KBFloYd

The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.musicalmac

You are far too intelligent to make posts like that.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.JLF1MarkII

You are far too intelligent to make posts like that.

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]The WiiU does not excite me. I'd be a lot happier if I were 10.musicalmac

You are far too intelligent to make posts like that.

It's an unnecessary statement.

Besides, you should know by now that innovative games can and is created by any form of hardware so to restrict yourself from any hardware is to restrict yourself from innovation.

I was referring to your second sentence. You are making a likeness that everyone who is interested in a Wiiu is either 10, are like a 10 year old or due to nostalgia want to be 10 again. It's the equivalent of assuming every PC gamer is a 40 something virgin or a teen who want to be said person.

It's an unnecessary statement.

Besides, you should know by now that innovative games can and is created by any form of hardware so to restrict yourself from any hardware is to restrict yourself from innovation.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

I was referring to your second sentence. You are making a likeness that everyone who is interested in a Wiiu is either 10, are like a 10 year old or due to nostalgia want to be 10 again. It's the equivalent of assuming every PC gamer is a 40 something virgin or a teen who want to be said person.

It's an unnecessary statement.

Besides, you should know by now that innovative games can and is created by any form of hardware so to restrict yourself from any hardware is to restrict yourself from innovation.

musicalmac

Quick, paitient is going into shock, charge up that defribillator to 500 volts.

CLEAR!!!!!!!! *ZAP*

Don't you die on me Mac, don't you quit now!! Live, live, LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!! :o

Quick, paitient is going into shock, charge up that defribillator to 500 volts.

CLEAR!!!!!!!! *ZAP*

Don't you die on me Mac, don't you quit now!! Live, live, LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!! :o

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

I was referring to your second sentence. You are making a likeness that everyone who is interested in a Wiiu is either 10, are like a 10 year old or due to nostalgia want to be 10 again. It's the equivalent of assuming every PC gamer is a 40 something virgin or a teen who want to be said person.

It's an unnecessary statement.

Besides, you should know by now that innovative games can and is created by any form of hardware so to restrict yourself from any hardware is to restrict yourself from innovation.

musicalmac