Why the hate of casuals?

It works both ways throughout history with both conservatives and liberals doing the censorship. Both are guilty of doing so.

I totally agree. Casuals also help them have their console wars. It's ironic how hardcore gamers hate them, yet brag about the sales of a system in console wars, when the system sold so well due to CASUAL gamers.

Like casual gamers propelled: PS1, PS2, Gameboy, Wii, DS, PS 360 (casual bro gamers), 3DS, PS4, and they're about to propel the Switch. Like come on... If you're bragging about Switch or PS4 sales, then you should be talking about how much you hate casual gamers.

Lol, no. The PS1, PS2, Gameboy, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, DS, 3DS, PS4, and now Switch are being bought by casual gamers. If casual gamers had no interest, those systems would not have those high sales. I mean look at the SNES, Sega Genesis, and onward. Respected by hardcore gamers, but they never reached 50 million consoles sold. The rest of the hardcore consoles following sold even less. Hardcore gamers are a minority and you need casual gamers.

Bullshit label.

When I think casual, I think mobile/phone users who play games. They deserve to have fun too.

I don’t play on the phone, not because I don’t find fun games for it, it’s because my phone is always busy with calls or with text messages that would continuosly interrupt the game, but ...... I’ve got handhelds on which I can pause the game and continue later. I cooperated with 3DS sales numbers with 5 units. But as I said, I’m no “hardcore”, just a casual.

A casual gamer to me is someone who don't care much about what they play, someone who plays something sometimes in short bursts. Like people who play mobile games on the bus/train or FIFA with friends. I do not hate these people.

What's annoying is when the developers are out after their money, and change their existing franchises, or "dumbing down" their series in order to get casual gamers to buy their game, and thus destroying the series for its' fans who really don't want their favourite series dumbed down for casual gamers.

Not sure what a "hardcore gamer" is, but I guess it's someone who play games a lot. I don't use the term myself, since it sounds absolutely ridiculous.

@GarGx1:

"I've been gaming for 42 years, I'm an enthusiast not hardcore. To me a hardcore gamer would be something akin to a professional who makes money from playing in tournaments."

But then wouldn't they be considered e-sport athletes?

That would be fair I guess if you want to call a gamer an "athlete". In turn though, isn't a marathon athlete just a hardcore runner?

Casual gamers want dumbed down games where they take the control out of your hands and the game plays itself for you. The casuals are the majority of gamers and that's why the gaming industry caters to them.

Nothing more to add, simply perfect.

I'm a casual player. I play games on easy mode most of the time. And I'm bad at gaming. I still enjoy gaming.

@GarGx1

E-sport isn't representative of "hardcore" in a sense that the competition is between human beings. Sure it needs time and dedication and skill.

Now "hardcore" refers to gamers that are addicted in both terms of difficulties and time spent "gaming" but not necessarily in a competitive way. imo.

@sovkhan: It's all subjective as there is no defined rule set to be a hardcore gamer. I just see professional gamers as the hardcore as they are the most dedicated to the hobby or "sport" (I don't see gaming as a sport but I also don't see darts or snooker as sports either). It's a personal view point, nothing more.

Fair enough ;)

Try Path of Exile and let me know how casual is compared to Diablo 3.

@GarGx1:

Athlete doesn't really mean what it used to, anyway. If you can call a race car driver an athlete then anyone can be one. As long as the hobby is popular enough. Physical activity doesn't even matter. It's kinda confusing though.

If a hardcore runner can be called an athlete then I guess a hardcore gamer can be one? But I think there's more to it. You don't just have to run alot, you have to run competitively. That's what I think makes the term work most. If you play in videogame competitions then you're an e-sport athlete.

I blame bidness offices starting Casual Friday's decades ago. :P

Finished it years ago, good h&s but nothing special about it...

Difficult game is not necessarily a better game, while the difficulty can be adjusted, core game mechanics can't.

Majority of people don't have a lifetime to waste on an incredibly hard level, but you can if you wish to...and if you want us to call you HARDCORE GAMER, we are willing to as well ^^

You still didnt answer my question, and how to since it proves my point all along.

Also you finished nothing i can tell since you bypassing the fact that POE is a hardcore Action online RPG with a very hard learning curve that 99% of players need external help to really understand what is going on with items, gems, economy, orbs, itemization, skill tree and so many different things. You finished POE ? You finished nothing. You went into youtube or forums to understand what is going on, because game is not casual friendly. PERIOD

If you wanna call this as casual as D3, then every game ever created is as casual as the one next to it. Go figure logic. Also who told you i want you to call me hardcore gamer, what this has to do with my point for casual games a god knows. Also why you saying "Want us " or "We are" ? Lol ! What is this now, you are a representantive of a group of people here ? :P

It is a term to refer to how deeply you delve into each game you play. Casual gamers play the games casually, or not to get the highest score/best performance/best rank etc.

Casuals can also only play a few games, or they can be collectors.

Depends. Even if theres not a definite rule there are examples that can fit this.

What youll call someone that is a pro Street fighter 5 player doing insane shit ? Casual ? What youll call all those WoW guys making world first records at highest difficulties ? The ones that doing insane speed runs in single player games ? The ones that playing Tetris in Extreme speeds where we barely can see what is happening ? The ones that playing Dark souls at hardest level and clear the game without getting hit once, let alone die once ? Can a casual gamer make it to max rank in online competitive games like League of legends or CS GO ? Have you seen a hardcore guitar hero player or how its called ? And the list goes on and on and on with myriad of examples.

I mean its not that hard to separate hardcore gamers from the rest if you think about it.

Sure Bro, you know better than me what i've played and what i did not...Idiot statement of the day!!!

What you don't understand is you can adjust difficulty to your liking and call it a day. That's exactly what POE does, by the way.

There are games supposedly difficult, but the truth is simply that majority of people don't have time to waste on these, not that they are less skillful!!!

That's the reason they are niche...If the majority of people wanted hard games, this will change. As simple as that.

Now if you think that an industry will favors 1% of the players ( compared to the 99% that according to you need help in POE ) you are deluded.

We dont hate casuals. We only hate Xbone fanboys here.

No POE is way deeper than any other Action RPG before it. Thats the issue making it hardcore compared to all others. You need to invest time to understand the game. Many people quiting it because of this. They messing their first character up then quit because of games complexity.

Also i dont care what people want to do with their time or what they prefer. I know that ROGUE games became viral because people got sick of easy games over and over. Im talking about overcasualization of already casual games and how that ruins the fun in the end of the day in plenty of genres otherwise they were challenging. Learn to read.

Diablo 3 on the other hand has nothing of that. Just level up, choose your skills, find your set ( actually you get your set for free on your first toon ) Ready to go. Its that simple. You max level in few hours , you having your set as a gift at max level, happy farming. Whats that compared to POE ?

This is a fine example of what todays hardcore game vs full on casual game comparison looks like under same genre. You like it or not, facts are facts. And you finished nothing, you dont fool me. Specially in the old days, because if you did you wouldnt call it casual.

So which of those 2 games is casual ? Both ? You dont know what the hell you talking about , period.

I've never called it anything, just said " Finished it years ago, good h&s but nothing special about it..."

What you seem to forget is the model, POE is free to play and is artificially made difficult so that people pour money into it.

What i'm saying is the difficulty which seem to be your all out measure of hardcore vs casual is adjustable.

POE normal difficulty is a ballad in the park, the second, third and forth run get difficult because they lower your defenses, resistances and offensives skills, and up those of the AI.

Nothing special here, that how the difficulty rises. I've played it back when it was still beta, around 2013/14, don't know how it's now!!!

If you can't understand this, then keep calling yourself a hardcore whatever!!! and call it a day. Won't waste my time explaining again.

" Finished it years ago ... nothing special " . With that braindead statement you proved what exactly ? Most likely that youre a Diablo 3 fan and took it personally that i called POE a hardcore game and D3 the overcasual version of same kind of game. Thats your main problem i bet, because you dont make any sense.

Look at you, obsessed with what im calling myself when i said nothing about myself. You just proving what i said above.

Because i dont have time either, if you put POE in the same category as Diablo 3, then you need to think again. POE needs a DEEP understanding to make it work and finish the game which driving casual gamers away or in forums/youtube for help. PERIOD. Its not your average game that taking you from your hand and pushing you to the very end.

You finished nothing, clearly.

For someone that played both games to not be able to understand my point, you need to check it out.

These nerds don't realize that the older they get the more casually they'll play videogames. It happens to everyone...unless if you're autistic that is.

Facists/religious conservatives and socialists/communists being the ultimate censors.

I'm a bit confused,witch isn't hard to do,but am I hardcore gamer because I owned the strong majority of console's over the decades of gaming or does it mean that I'm a casual gamer because I don't worry about Achievement's,high scores,leaderboards,etc .... Don't give me an Einstein math equation for an answer. Casual - Hardcore =?

Casuals and liberals are completely different.

Casuals don't want homogenization. They are casual and choose not to invest a lot of time into their games... they want to extract the entertainment with the least amount of effort and quickest way possible. So the end result is homogenized experiences because it becomes easier for the person to extract out entertainment. Those games lack diversity and depth in the gameplay. Games that allow the user to fail, be confused or even lost and unable to continue until they figure something out frustrate casuals...

Today's liberal's are just kind of crazy with contradictory beliefs, like social constructionism vs transgender vs being against gay conversion therapy, vs sexism/gender equauty.