Why Are We Arguing About Ground Zeroes' Graphics?

But better stealth game. For winners.

You do realize that PC gamers bring up crysis 3 in relation to graphics, not necessarily because it's a great game, right?

Hmm ok, what i have seen on that demo(?) gameplay video that has been everywhere the game look pretty damn awesome to me.

The pictures of Ps3/360-version also look pretty dmn impressive if you ask me...

Nah, I'm just not that impressed. Other new releases blow this out of the water, and Metal Gear has always been known for delivering ground-breaking graphics.

It had a nice rainy shiny effect on stuff. That's it really.

did you forget that the game's Fox engine was originally created for last gen system and that the game was originally a PS3-360 develop game?

The game was just upscaled and polished a bit for next gen (PS4 only really, cuz the X1 version looks the same as the 360 version).

You never played a MGS game confirmed.

Kojima has never been big on high violence and graphic actions. His graphic scenes and such are always mild at best.

clearly YOU never played Ground Zeroes. My god was that ending dark. Especially when you piece together what happened prior to Snake arriving at the camp.

Kojima going all in on MGSV.

Yes he is. He's mention it before that he was going to do alot more this time around.

And every since the trailers first came out you could see that gonna push for more action, blood, violence, etc.

Im just saying he really hasnt been that type before. So when he cranks it up, its not overall that violent.

It's new to him, but Ihat ending was seriously more hard for me to watch than anything else in a videogame I've played. Yeah, I know. I'm a wimp.

And then I just got depressed as hell hearing some of those tapes and learning more on the characters.

welp.... im glad he's stepping it up instead of the usual corny japanese style melodramas.

I dont have the game yet. Still waiting to buy a PS4.

It was a PS3 game they upgrade for PS4. Looks amazing though.

@Nengo_Flow: Nengo I never said I wanted gore. I just thought some of the animations could have been better. It's like they didn't use motion capture.

Dude what? You sound like you never played an MGS game before. Both MGS2 and MGS3 were very graphic with its violence, especially for the time.

eh.... not really, sure they might of had a scene or two, but the gameplay is not violent, very mild style of action

I disagree, I would say MGS2 is one of the most over the top in terms of bloody violence on the PS2. MGS3 had pretty realistic looking blood for its time, and had more violent deaths and kill animations. Some of the cutscenes in these games had mass murder, torture, and general sadism.

Look at this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp6M0jloPcU#t=2m26s

If Kojima wasn't big on graphic violence, he wouldn't show every single person getting shot with huge blood splatter and blood dripping sound effects.

Yeah, it looks like shit. But then again, it's just a dressed up ps3 game.

Snake has alpha to coverage for his hair for cryin' out loud.. (his hair looks like a bunch of dots instead of full strands)

meh.... I only played MGS2-3 once back in the PS2 days so i dont remember much at all (I wasnt a fan when i had played them, and i didnt really understand them). I didnt start liking or start being a fan till I play MGS4 and Peace Walker. I dont really see or think of the MGS series as a violent franchise. I know it has some stuff, but all of it is pretty mild. But it does look like he is stepping it up a bit in GZ/PP. But again, usually its mainly in cut scenes, not in the actual gameplay, like in Tomb Raider, TLoU, Gears of War, Resistance 2, etc. those are pretty violent games in gameplay.

I think they game looks awesome, character models look great, textures are very good, animations are awesome, lighting is also outstanding. The one thing that looks very last gen are the explosions and particle effects but outside of that it looks great.

It looks good at night in the rain.

That actually seems to be a common theme with games lately.

Tell that to BF4. BF4 is on the next gen, and current gen, and while it plays basically the same, the PC, PS4, or the X1 ports looks, nor handles ANYTHING like the PS3/360 ports. It's all up to the developer.

I don't understand why it matters if the violence takes place in a cutscene or in gameplay. Kojima still creates graphic moments in both cases. It's not like you skip the cutscenes and ignore the stuff that happens in the story when you play a Metal Gear game. I've played Ground Zeroes, and it is about as violent as any bloody action game during gameplay. The cutscenes and gameplay are seamless in GZ and PP, So in some cases you will be playing these scenes.

I don't consider the violence in MGS games mild, I consider the violence in games like Mass Effect and Uncharted mild. The only MGS game I consider mild in terms of violence is Peace Walker, but that's because peace was the theme in the game and a gameplay element.

You're right, we should be arguing over the fact that Kojima seems insistent on shoving more of his pretentious, preachy, yet overly convoluted and ridiculous storytelling in the mold of great game design.

This isnt the greatness we are waiting for.

I could tell that to BF4, I just don't think it will listen.

But Phantom Pain is.

My body is ready.

Should be arguing about the price, not the graphics! £30 for a 2 hour game is robbery!