Which was a bigger flop???

Lair

Was it even playable? :?

Lair

Was it even playable? :?

SSCyborg

After the patch I think it was.

Can we stop these threads?Ragnarok1051

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Can we stop these threads?Blitz_Nemesis

I'm talking about the biggest flop threads.

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

Definitely Lair

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

Zassimick

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

Zassimick

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

[QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

u8muhrice

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

GTA4 cost 100mil dollars. How much did Too Human?

[QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

SSCyborg

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

Nope, they let Subrosian and the others which really did like Too Human to take the beating for them while they backed away quickly...

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

sam280992

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

Nope, they let Subrosian and the others which really did like Too Human to take the beating for them while they backed away quickly...

To be fair there were only a select few, including Subrosian, that were actually hyping Too Human a lot.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

sam280992

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

Nope, they let Subrosian and the others which really did like Too Human to take the beating for them while they backed away quickly...

Dude... there were only like 3 lemmings hyping this.

The rest were manticores or non-fanboys.

To be fair there were only a select few, including Subrosian, that were actually hyping Too Human a lot.

-DrRobotnik-

Well true but the lemmings were hyping this game AA before the reviews came in.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

To be fair there were only a select few, including Subrosian, that were actually hyping Too Human a lot.

sam280992

Well true but the lemmings were hyping this game AA before the reviews came in.

Yeah, it was a flop although after the demo, many did back down. Lair was the same, although a little worse due to it scoring only 4.5. Both were close, but Lair edges it out by a little.

Dude... there were only like 3 lemmings hyping this.

The rest were manticores or non-fanboys.

SSCyborg

It was on every single Lemmings "Xbox 360 games that will own the PS3"

Which means it was pretty much hyped AA.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

Dude... there were only like 3 lemmings hyping this.

The rest were manticores or non-fanboys.

sam280992

It was on every single Lemmings "Xbox 360 games that will own the PS3"

Which means it was pretty much hyped AA.

ORLY?

Show me all the lems then.

Lair - Hyped AAA and as a graphics king, but it was technically flawed all the way around, then scored a 4.5. Lol!

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

SSCyborg

That's what I was saying. It was more the other fanboy camps trying to create an aftermath.

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

u8muhrice

So we're either going by different terms for what aftermath is or you weren't around for Twilight Princess. The sheep uproar was massive with threats to Jeff and other sites offering a sort of commentary (more or less just mentioning) the Gamespot forums and how bad the sheep were I believe.

It was huge. But if you're going money and score-wise well yeah Too Human was bigger, but I guess my term of aftermath is different from yours.

[QUOTE="sam280992"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

To be fair there were only a select few, including Subrosian, that were actually hyping Too Human a lot.

-DrRobotnik-

Well true but the lemmings were hyping this game AA before the reviews came in.

Yeah, it was a flop although after the demo, many did back down. Lair was the same, although a little worse due to it scoring only 4.5. Both were close, but Lair edges it out by a little.

Yeah true, I wonder if Lair had a demo if people would have backed down...

Well anyway, its not like we can count the hype after the people play the demo cause then they can back down or not... Like Haze many tried to back down after the demo... But the hype was set on AA so they couldn't back down from it. Its the same with Too Human.

[QUOTE="sam280992"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"]

Dude... there were only like 3 lemmings hyping this.

The rest were manticores or non-fanboys.

SSCyborg

It was on every single Lemmings "Xbox 360 games that will own the PS3"

Which means it was pretty much hyped AA.

ORLY?

Show me all the lems then.

It was pre-demo.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

SSCyborg

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

GTA4 cost 100mil dollars. How much did Too Human?

Too Human is over 100 mil dollars. I believe GTA and Too Human are neck to neck. You can google it

Lair - Hyped AAA and as a graphics king, but it was technically flawed all the way around, then scored a 4.5. Lol!

BioShockOwnz

It was hyped AA on the official hype thread... and No it wasn't hyped as graphics king at the time... I think that Uncharted at the time was being hyped graphics king but nevertheless there were many topics made about its graphics...

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

sam280992

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

Nope, they let Subrosian and the others which really did like Too Human to take the beating for them while they backed away quickly...

[QUOTE="sam280992"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

heretrix

The difference is the homecourt fanboys reaction. TP made sheep go crazy.

Too Human didn't cause much of a stir with the lemmings.

Nope, they let Subrosian and the others which really did like Too Human to take the beating for them while they backed away quickly...

Too Human was hyped as much as Lair. Whatever, both games flopped so in retrospect, fanboys get owned again

Too Human is over 100 mil dollars. I believe GTA and Too Human are neck to neck. You can google it

u8muhrice

Im pretty sure it was estimated at $80-100 million.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

u8muhrice

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

GTA4 cost 100mil dollars. How much did Too Human?

Too Human is over 100 mil dollars. I believe GTA and Too Human are neck to neck. You can google it

bull****. I'm not googling anything. In an argument if you make a claim you have to provide links to support your claim, otherwise your argument is null and void.

heretrix

I'm not saying it was hyped as AAA or GOTY all I'm saying that it was hyped AA by various lemmings.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Lair - Hyped AAA and as a graphics king, but it was technically flawed all the way around, then scored a 4.5. Lol!

sam280992

It was hyped AA on the official hype thread... and No it wasn't hyped as graphics king at the time... I think that Uncharted at the time was being hyped graphics king but nevertheless there were many topics made about its graphics...

I don't care who downplayed their hype in the official hype thread. I was here since the beginning of the hype machine, and Lair was hyped AAA. Also, cows said it looked way better than Gears of War, and we had tons of thread trying to get that falsehood across. Lair is the biggest flop this generation, and it's very deserving of that status.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

SSCyborg

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

GTA4 cost 100mil dollars. How much did Too Human?

Too Human is over 100 mil dollars. I believe GTA and Too Human are neck to neck. You can google it

bull****. I'm not googling anything. In an argument if you make a claim you have to provide links to support your claim, otherwise your argument is null and void.

That's a bold statement, when infact you never even posted links yourself. Whatever, if you really want me to spoon feed you the link because youre too lazy to google it then here:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Most_expensive_games

Lair because it was supposed to show the power and the greatness of the six-axis controller. Plus the fact that Sony was banking on it as a selling point and even sent out 'manuals' to reviewers after everyone gave it bad scores.

Too Human was just a game that has taken forever to come out.

That's a bold statement, when infact you never even posted links yourself. Whatever, if you really want me to spoon feed you the link because youre too lazy to google it then here:

u8muhrice

LOOL

did you just link me to a wiki as proof?

But you made the statement first, so you should provide the proof. But i'll give you the GTA4 proof.

LINK

[QUOTE="sam280992"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Lair - Hyped AAA and as a graphics king, but it was technically flawed all the way around, then scored a 4.5. Lol!

BioShockOwnz

It was hyped AA on the official hype thread... and No it wasn't hyped as graphics king at the time... I think that Uncharted at the time was being hyped graphics king but nevertheless there were many topics made about its graphics...

I don't care who downplayed their hype in the official hype thread. I was here since the beginning of the hype machine, and Lair was hyped AAA. Also, cows said it looked way better than Gears of War, and we had tons of thread trying to get that falsehood across. Lair is the biggest flop this generation, and it's very deserving of that status.

You don't have any proof that Lair was hyped AAA by all the cows...

In the Official Hype thread it was AA, Thats what I will go by...

Lair because it was supposed to show the power and the greatness of the six-axis controller. Plus the fact that Sony was banking on it as a selling point and even sent out 'manuals' to reviewers after everyone gave it bad scores.

Too Human was just a game that has taken forever to come out.

Sins-of-Mosin

trust me, there is no greatness in the sixaxis controller. Lair wanted to show off the PS3's cell processor by having good graphics and unlimited draw distance. No one can deny that Lair looked beautiful, however, its a bad game. The patch definitely helped ALOT. Too it was delayed for awhile though.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

That's a bold statement, when infact you never even posted links yourself. Whatever, if you really want me to spoon feed you the link because youre too lazy to google it then here:

SSCyborg

LOOL

did you just link me to a wiki as proof?

But you made the statement first, so you should provide the proof. But i'll give you the GTA4 proof.

LINK

Why are you in denial? First off, let me just say that Lair and Too Human flopped big time. All I'm proving is my point against the person who claimed that Twlight Princess flopped the most in the aftermath. However, I believe Too Human flopped more, i mean with a budget of 80-100 million and took X amount of years to make, im sure Too Human flopped way worst than TP could ever.

You can defend Too Human's budget all you want. I just got my point across and I had to say what I wanted to say.

[QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

u8muhrice

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Biggest flop regarding score: Lair I think...

Biggest flop regarding aftermath: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Oh... regarding score between two... well Lair then problem. Too Human was more of a larger flop due to fanboys trying to create an aftermath.

blue_hazy_basic

whoa what? Aftermath is definitely Too Human without a doubt. Too Human is the most expensive game to make to this day. However, score wise at GS is Lair. Both games flopped.

What's that suppose to mean?