What game will the the Oblivion of this gen?

When Oblivion was released it received many awards and critical praise. Now it's widely regarded as a terrible rpg. Bad combat, copy pasted dungeons, stupid AI, buggy, badly placed music, uninspired story. Boring scenery. Badly optimized engine. Steps back from the previous games. Repetitive beyond all comprehension. Even Todd Howard called it generic.

What critically praised game of this generation will probably end up a "Christ what were we thinking?"

Oblivion remaster will be the Oblivion of this gen.

Dragon Age Inquisition and Fallout 4 are pure trash despite winning a lot of awards.

Inquisition def a top contender

all of them

Probably fallout 4. No one idea how people can play that garbage.

Hopefully none, the game is not that good.

The Witcher 3.

I actually liked Oblivion, way better than Skyrim and that was praised to high heaven. But if you are asking which decent game is everyone going to act too good for, take your pick, that's pretty much the attitude that defines gamers these days.

You must be joking!

radiant ai was pretty cool.

i enjoyed oblivion. i modded the hell out of it but still, i had a lot of fun with it on pc back in the day.

the shivering isles on the other hand...

MGS V Phantom Pain only if some other developer manages to make a great military stealth open world game which I'm not sure if publishers ever risk to make a project like that. it seems like that Ubisoft doesn't want to be bothered with Splinter Cell ever again.(Just bringing Sam into another game doesn't mean anything) And Konami .... well I'm not sure if they ever make another open world MGS game.

I enjoyed it as well, but I wouldn't put it as "the greatest rpg ever" level. Knights Of The Nine was good dlc, enjoyed that more than the main game.

Uncharted 4

I haven't played a Bethesda RPG since Daggerfall. I skipped Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. I have yet to play any of them. I did the same with the Bethesda Fallout games. I skipped Fallout 3 and New Vegas..... until 2017 when I bought Fallout 4 (less than $20) just for kicks. I ended up liking it which led to me buying the earlier 2 Bethesda Fallout games. My total history of playing all three Fallout games were within the last 1.5 years.

Between the millions who liked the Bethesda RPGs and the handful of losers here, I'll take my place with the millions. ;)

Oblivion remake for next-gen. Nothing can hit that Oblivion high at release last-gen. It's Bethesda, so it'll be the same shitty engine, which is sad... Even Telltale has switched.

Dragon Age Inquisition is already at that position.

Buggy, boring and all-around a dumpster fire? Agreed.

@davillain-: no, Skyrim had even more shit designed quests than Oblivion, though I liked the combat mechanics, without decent quests the game just felt extremely lacking, the auto-generated quests were awful too, like "the Jarl wants you to kill a dragon/troll, go do so then return here for your reward", or go steal three objects from the same homesand return them for a reward. I have been told the DLC expansions made the game better. Same could be said for Oblivion. But base game for sure, Oblivion is a much better package than Skyrim was.

@davillain- said:

@lamprey263 said:

I actually liked Oblivion, way better than Skyrim

You must be joking!

As someone who plays magic classes in RPGS, I agree with him to a degree.

Spell crafting and dedicated spell button > Skyshit.

That video is hilarious!

I don't know, I enjoyed Oblivion very much

Hell, no. Oblivion was at the time amazing. In retrospective I can say a lot of games are bad, but when it came out there was a good reason it brought ES to the masses. Now, Skyrim... there was no excuse for that buggy mess.

Oblivion dlc beats Skyrim dlc also, just like NV's dlc puts FO4's to shame.

Anything Nintendo puts out, it's already last gen tech when released.

the the? you're an idiot, sniper.

The Witcher 3 and Uncharted 4

Don't buy this. We can go back to games like Street Fighter II, Starcraft, Halflife, Diablo, Homeworld, Baldurs Gate II, Quake I/II etc... all older titles, and all still play as solid games today..

Oblivion is primarily a technical showcase, with gameplay haphazardly stapled together. Which isn't unique or new to that specific game, Arena, Daggerfall, Redguard etc... all had bugs, mediocre combat, gameplay elements better presented on paper than practice.

Some will argue it's the price of the freedom it presents. But when you actually look it's it's quest design and options, it's quite linear in nature.

Probably Fallout 4. Hell it’s already way overrated in my mind.

That's objective, because I played Oblivion a year ago and I still loved it more than Skyrim.

I really enjoyed Dragon age inquisition and witcher 3.

Oh yea, I remember radiant AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbx6-KQoRg

Shivering Isles and the Dark Brotherhood quests was the best part from that turd of an RPG.

Actually the best part was the complete overhaul mod Nehrim, because it tried to remove a lot of Bethesda's retardation.

Lol, by an enraged internet that hates literally everything.

In the real world Oblivion was a fantastic game, and massively successful both critically and commercially. It's successor Skyrim even more so.

Bethesda are awesome.

I also preferred the scenery of Oblivion.

I wouldn't say that, the games listed Street Fighter II, Starcraft, Halflife, Diablo, Homeworld, Baldurs Gate II, Quake I/II are loved.

Talking specifically RPG, Phantasy Star, I, IV, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, Heroes Of Might And Magic, Suikoden II etc..

None of these games face the sound amount of retrospective criticism. In cases like Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, and Planescape Torment, the following and overall critical appraisal has grown.

The reality of Oblivion at launch, with fancy trailers, a large budget, and critics telling you it's good, was less of a reality than when we became detached with time.

Oblivion hasn't aged well, but it was pretty damn impressive at the time.

Oblivion launched early into last gen on 360 and IMO there has not been an experience since that rivaled the very first time you exited the sewers and saw the huge beautiful HD open world for the first time. That right there was the biggest wow factor and said to myself, wow, now the this is some truly next gen stuff right here. Good stuff. :D

If you honestly prefer Skyrim, then you are as casual as they come. Skyrim was so much more streamlined, worse quests etc, it was garbage.

I actually thought DA I was at least good.

Yeah people crap all over it now for the cookie cutter nature of large areas of the game world, but there was really nothing like it at the time. It was basically the first modern open world game. It was mind blowing if you played it at the time like I did.

Yeah, I got it at launch and of course at first walking through the sewers was nothing special but that was the set-up for the wow factor when they knew you would be floored exiting the sewers and seeing the Real game world for the first time. :D

lol Skyrim was a better game in every way, and that's why it's still popular 7 years on. The game world felt like an actual place with different areas feeling legitimately different.

I'm also going to express the unpopular opinion of Skyrim > Witcher 3. To me, Witcher 3 felt like a decent Oblivion clone duct taped to a decent Skyrim clone, with some boobies and a grizzled protagonist thrown in the mix. But I'd rather just play Skyrim than a knockoff.

It is merely more mainstream, I'm not part of that crowd.

@Random_Matt: since when mainstream=worse? Refined and easier to use means a more polished and intuitive game, that means a better user experience and a better game.

Tellingly, the games you list are almost all 20th century, pre-internet gamer culture, with a couple of niche exceptions that are too unknown to be hated. If Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines had made any sort of splash the internet would hate it too, heh.

Big games get hated by the internet. It's just what happens.

The critics were absolutely right about Oblivion being fantastic. Angry internet fanboys hated it in 2006 and hate it still. So what, like?

The massive success of it's sequel Skyrim and excited reaction to ES6 news is testament to how gamers in the real world adore these games. There is no "we", you only speak for you ;)

True. And I'd actually say that Witcher 3 reminded me more of Oblivion than it did of Skyrim. Just like Oblivion, it has an impressive central hub city, but most the game world felt cookie cutter and robotic. Witcher 3 also had terrible combat and a terrible interface that made it feel like a chore to play. I slogged through it for the story.

While it's true a more mainstream game is open to criticism, the argument that these are 20th century doesn't really hold water. They've actively been re-analyzed, objectively and in depth just like Oblivion, because we aren't in that pre-internet age anymore. The games, along with information, are readily available, which is why they are being re-evaluted, ye old days of major sites or magazines being the heralds of information are in steep decline.

Technology, hype and expectation is always superseded, and once you get past that, you're left with the substance to hold it up.

We can argue there is a placebo effect with gamers being negative, because that's completely true. This entire board is predicated on it. But that doesn't negate the game being objectively analyzed of it's many folly's, collapsing under close scrutiny.

So perfectly said my friend. There is a non sense attitude of "if I can point out flaws in something, that means I am well versed and educated in the topic" amongst film buffs, gamers, just about any passionate appreciator of an entertainment form.

I suffer from this more in film then I do in gaming. I'm a work in progress though.

There's still a remove though, a new game released in 2018 gets thrown into a cauldron of acid: forums hype it and snarl hate when any little thing goes wrong, Polygon declare it the saviour/killer of gaming (delete as appropriate), streamers tear it apart, memers poke fun, social media share it and declare it perfect/garbage (delete as appropriate), celebs plug their voice acting role, etc etc etc. Wasn't as bad in 2006 but still a similar (but weaker) thing happened for Oblivion. Older games are spared all that nonsense. There is definitely a respect for them that newer games never get.

True, but games do need a certain "of their time" view, Mario 64 isn't looked down on for not having a 2018 camera and controls. Not saying a free pass for massive flaws, just context.

Yep, and Oblivion was a game of massive substance. Very few games of that time have anything like it's systems, ambition and content. Of course it's been superseded since but that's always gonna happen.

By all means analyze away, but you do need to stop with the "we all changed our minds" and "objectively wrong" stuff. There's no evidence that a significant amount of gamers loved Oblivion initially but then decided it was average or poor. You keep saying so, but that don't make it so. On the other hand, the huge continuing popularity of Elder Scrolls would suggest that Oblivion was released as a terrific game that gamers absolutely wanted more of.