What do you want to play more - MGSV or Zelda Wii U?

Haha, thanks dude. Big Boss for prez! lol

You think they'll finally show us MGO at TGS?

I feel like I've seen enough of the single player gameplay and story by now.

All I want now is some footage of MGO and a release date. An early access MGO beta would make my heart skip a beat lol.

I know we've been through it a dozen times so I won't waste our time discussing your delusions of grandeur regarding MGS4.

But I must ask this. MGSV is shaping up to be the polar opposite of MGS4 in every conceivable way. Pretty much everything you love about MGS4 is being thrown out the window and for good reason. MGSV is basically a response to the widespread complaints about MGS4.

So how is it that you could consider MGS4 the best thing ever and still be hyping MGSV?

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The Phantom Pain looks terrific...sadly i just can't care anymore for that franchise and that is a shame because it was easily one of my top franchises of all time, but they way they handle MGS4 and then all the prequels...IMO the plot, the characters and the lore are a mess, on the other hand, Zelda is still one of the finnest franchises in gaming and after A Link Between Worlds, i really want to see this new entry.

If you can look past how fucked the plot has become, it's going to be good. I'm still interested in seeing how the story unfolds in TPP, but 99% of my hype is purely for the gameplay. MGS gameplay is finally coming into its own, shedding away the weaker aspects and cranking all the good stuff up to 10. Really it's becoming the stealth game I always wanted to play.

Just put MGS4 out of your mind and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

I'm hoping so but I wouldn't hold my breath. They did have a fairly large beta for MGO2 so I'd assume they'd have one for TPP as well.

I'm just praying that Konami competently manages the game this time so it isn't filled with so many god damn exploits, glitches, and other bullshit that could have been easily remedied/avoided.

And Survival Nights, those need to make a comeback. Some of the most tense online matches I've ever had were fighting over those damn points just to get more pointless gear. But damn did my W!nterWolf look like a badass.

Yeah, that MGO2 beta was such a pain to get into. I remember they didn't expect so many people wanting to try it and the shit just wouldn't work at first. Then the Konami ID nightmare. THEN when it finally did work for everyone the characters moved slow as hell. Really hoping for a smoother experience with the MGO3 beta. From what I hear, Kojima productions LA is still hiring, so I hope the reveal isn't too far off.

Completely agreed with the rest though man, Konami better manage this game and keep the community in check. As amazing as MGO2 was, it was also a frustrating nightmare with all the glitchers, lag switchers, etc. I'm sure you already know, but people would even submit video evidence of people glitching in OFFICIAL tourneys and still nothing would be done.

I hope they bring back all the awesome aspects though, like survival of course. I was always so pumped for that!

I really hope they bring back a lot of maps too. At the very least I want to see CUS/UU make a comeback, I probably spent half of my time on that map in both of the MGOs.

I saw the MGS gameplay recently and thought it looked pretty neat. It's definitely a purchase for me when it comes out. Zelda though is on a whole different level for me. I want to play that more than anything else I've seen new or recently shown again, and honestly by quite a bit.

I think the decision to open a new studio here in the West to handle the multiplayer aspect was a smart choice. While I love MGO and all it's unique gameplay ideas and mechanics, I feel that KP and Konami had very little experience on how to handle and manage an 'online 3rd person shooter.' Bringing in Western design philosophies with Japanese influence will be a great mix, especially for a title like Metal Gear.

And yeah, UU was the tits (spent a lot of my time on that map as well) but my personal favorite was Groznyj Grad. Hoping those two a least make a comback.

99 out of 100 times I would say Zelda... but being Jack Bauer this time is going to rock!

You mean haters/butthurt fans? Since MGS4 was one of the highest-selling, most awarded and highest rated Metal Gears out there. Also the only Metal Gear to get a 10 on GS or IGN (in fact it did on both).

So yeeeeah.

MGSV: PP is still a Metal Gear game, anything succeeding MGS4 and being created by Hideo Kojima has a high chance of being the best game ever made. MGS4's gameplay was already perfected, but Phantom Pain seems to be an improvement on perfection. I just hope the cinematics and story are equally as epic as MGS4's. If they are, that's an 11/10 game for me.

Don't expect a good answer. Mozepelle doesn't actually have any good reasons for putting MGS4 on the pedestal he does. TBH, I don't think he even knows why he likes it so much lol.

^Case in point.

What good reasons do you expect of me? I've already given dozens throughout the years. From the tense microwave sequence, to the epic showdown between Snake and Ocelot or the climatic closure with Big Boss. Gameplay was flawless and MGSV: PP looks to bring in interesting concepts / cool additions to that gameplay; for instance the evolution of the cardboard box usage. I'm not a poet or a reviewer, don't expect me to describe every little detail.

I have no desire to play Zelda Wii U and very little desire to play MGSV.

Hahaha, wtf.

If we're looking at scores MGS2 is the highest rated. MGS4 is tied with MGS and MGS3: Subsistence.

If we're looking at sales, MGS2 obliterates MGS4 while MGS3+Subsistence edge out MGS4 and MGS1 ties it... and this isn't even counting Substance version of MGS2, the Xbox and PC releases or any of that. It also doesn't count MGS3 for 3DS, or Twin Snakes. In that case MGS4 would be at the bottom of the barrel.

So yeeeeeeah. He has no clue.

All that aside, none of that shit really matters. Yes you read that right Mozelleple, it actually doesn't matter that you're flat out wrong. Why? Because most of us can think for ourselves and we know a pile of shit when we see it. We don't need sales and scores to back us up.

You could visit any community of MGS gamers and get the same reactions man. And the MGS fanbase isn't like the Zelda fanbase. Opinions don't drastically change with the times. MGS4 is widely regarded as the shit hole of the series. It was back then, just as it still is today. Deal with it bro. You can enjoy it all you want, but don't go thinking that everyone else will agree just because some reviewers at GS and IGN that don't know the first thing about the series decided to ignore a mountain of flaws and give it a perfect score.

And Wiimote does bring up a good point (for once lol). MGSV is the antithesis of MGS4. It's Kojima saying **** off to all of his mistakes with that game. How are you not seeing the disconnect here?

Edit: Doh! Didn't mean to get you mixed up in the quote chain Greyseal.

Using the faulty Metacritic system MGS4 is only behind MGS2 (and is tied with MGS1...) putting it ahead of Peace Walker, MGS3, Acid 1-2, Portable Ops etc. Says more about the quality of the franchise as a whole than anything else if you ask me.

I don't what source you are using but according to VGChartz (I know..) MGS1 and MGS2 have 6 million a piece, MGS4 at just under 6 million and the rest have significantly less (4.2 million and lower)

Let's not forget how MGS1, MGS2, and MGS3 all had much larger install bases than MGS4. (and the fact that they were multiplat, what if Xbox 360 and PC got MGS4? could easily be 5-6 million more...)

So yeeeeeeah I have more clue than you.

And you're right, none of that shit matters. you can be butthurt all you want, it's critically acclaimed, one of the most successful games of all time in GOTY awards, one of only ~ 5 ish games to get a perfect 10 from both IGN and Gamespot (the two biggest reviewers in the video game industry)

Of all the forums I have participated in, this is the ONLY one were everyone has a hard-on for MGS3 (by far the simplest, most straight forward Metal Gear game, probably even most gameplay:cinematics ratio) and the forum is unsurprisingly full of simpletons. Most other places its MGS1 or MGS4 that get's the most love. (I actually think 3 is the LEAST liked every where except SW, people here need simple/easy to follow storylines I guess) but that doesn't stop it from being one of the best games of all time, because it surely is superb. Just that MGS4 is THE best game ever made.

Convoluted/=/intelligent, deep, or good.

And also: you haven't showed any particular intelligence on this forum. You're not even smart enough to proficiently explain why MGS4 is so great. Saying "OMG! The microwave scene!" is not going to cut it.

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Both about the same. MGS4 was amazing, and I like what I've seen of the new Zelda, and read about it.

I'd rather spend that effort in college than on an internet gaming forum thank you very much.

To review such a game is simply impossible. Not a single person lives or will ever live that is worthy of playing, experiencing Metal Gear Solid 4, let alone review it and any attempt to do so is a falsum and flawed by nature. And yet, by some miracle somehow I found myself happening upon the privilege of playing it, it was a strange and wonderful experience. Like shagging a super model, all the while you cannot shake the feeling of shame and guilt, the feeling that this should not be happening, that you are not worthy, that she is too good for you, but damn it if you are not going to enjoy it for as long it is going to last anyway.

If you want a proficient explanation as to why MGS4 is so superb, read any review of it, particularly Gamespot's.

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I really could not care less about MGS.

Ground Zeroes left a bitter, bitter taste in my mouth.

The game forces you to either go all stealth or all guns blazing. Play styles are limited. Say I want to choke everyone out ghost/pacifist style. They'll wake up! What the freaking 'H'?! Not only is that frigging game-breaking tediousness it makes no sense whatsoever because the guards don't ring the alarm if you leave the area and go off to a far corner as you'd expect so what is the f'ing point?! They'll just be there as normal keeping watch. Stupid, stupid game. I want to explore every nook and cranny, collect all the loot and appreciate the surroundings. I don't want to be pressured into playing a particular way and feel as though I'm missing things and I don't have a million years to play the damn game either so the lack of a save option is super dumb. Ground Zeroes was literally one of the worst experiences I've ever had in any video game and I've played hundreds. So much promise down the drain. I feel pissed off just talking about the game lol. Moreover, they hardly developed the CQC, it's virtually the same thing all over again. The last MGS game I had played was Snake Eater. That surprised me, but it was most definitely not what annoyed me the most.

Zelda U all the way.

I'm not interested in MGS so Zelda by default.

MGSV will be more of the same for the series, where as Zelda seems to be breathing new life into the Zelda formula.

So Zelda.

And that is why you suck at life and will always suck at life. It all makes sense now. You suck, case closed.

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