What do you think will be more powerful and release first?

I suppose we're moving on to next gen already, since this one's a wrap.

Well I mean it can't really go too far beyond 2018 given the hardware so it's about that time to start discussing it.

I believe Sony and MS will release around the same time, but MS will definitely have the more powerful hardware. Doubt they'd make that same mistake twice.

Yeah, I can see them overcompensating considerably.

Lol I guess Lems can't wait for this gen to be over with. Consider last gen lasted about what?? 8 -9 years? I don't see new consoles coming out in 5!

I don't care to postulate on which will be the more powerful system, but my guess is they will be affordable and capable of 4k/25-30fps Med/High settings on current "next-gen" games. So maybe like a 980 or Fury shrunk into an APU. It will likely be AMD with custom HBM something wacky like 16GB Unified RAM. $400 is the sweet spot, and they'll shoot for a BOM of ~$380 and 150-175W in 2018/19.

Last generation consoles were more sustainable and ahead of the curve in terms of technology, these consoles were released with hardware roughly two years behind, the gen is done in 5-6 years at the very most.

I think Microsoft will be going first, then Sony will quickly follow. 2017 Microsoft, 2018 Sony sounds about right.

Lems praying for the gen to end already lol.

:) The nightmare has only begun my rodent friends.

yeah? We'll see.. At least I don't think so.. Also I don't think your prediction has been correct lately lol

I think by that time people will see how bad these two are for the industry. People will start building up pcs and buy Nintendo. That is all there will be. When Nintendo is left alone there will be another company which tries for part of the market.

This isn't as much of a prediction as much as it's a technological hindrance, these consoles can barely handle 900/1080p respectively and 1080p is on its way out the door in terms being the standard, 4K is getting pushed very hard, even by Sony in terms of televisions.

Last generation was very much something that doesn't typically happen, console generations have almost always averaged 5 years, last gen was an enigma.

Dang Apple already trying to sneak in on Nintendo and PC.

If I remember correctly last 3 gens were all beyond 5 years lol

I think with worldwide sales numbers what they are Sony has less incentive to move onto a new hardware gen. So I expect MS to jump first.

Who will have more powerful hardware? Way too early to say I think. We don't know if either or both have approached Nvidia, what Nvidia or AMD's future SoC/APU's look like, etc. One thing I'm sure of is that MS won't make the mistake of going with DDR memory again. GDDR5 is still plenty fast enough, now it's pretty cheap, and designed with parallel processing in mind. DDR4 would be great for low voltage builds but I highly doubt MS would go the ESRAM (or some other high bandwidth, low capacity alternative) route again.

Well obviously Lems hope Xbox 4 will have more power.

And Cows hope PS5 will have more power.

It's more about fanboy hope/wishful thinking rather than accurate predictions.

They're product line moves too fast. An extended life dedicated game console doesn't fit within their eco system. They like things to be consistent. They may attempt something, but it would be outside of tradition, for sure. Samsung seems like a more likely bet. They have improved almost every product line they are in, from cameras to tvs to phones, etc.

The PS5 and Xbox4 will be nearly indistinguishable in power level. They will cooperatively launch within a month of each other 1 year after the NX, with a drastically different programming model than the NX, to steal potential 3rd party developers away from the NX. Sony will entice 3rd party developers with attractive marketing contracts and Microsoft will intimidate 3rd party developers with threatening contracts related game/release schedules.

Would suck if it was Samsung, they make a bunch of parts for Nintendos systems. Please dont leave us Samsung.

Maybe for the Xbox One and the Wii U? I don't see Sony abandoning the gen before the typical six years are up. Especially if they're selling so well.

That's why I said 5 to 6 years, and also "can't really go too far beyond 2018".

I think MS will have the most powerful console in the history of video games since this gen they got knocked the **** out at reveal as well as being embarrassed, then having to hang their head in shame a shit can their entire vision of the X1 all to keep up with the current gen 8 sales leader who also happens to have the world's most powerful video game console known to man, the PS4.

I always love to play my PS2 and PS3 Console so much :)

And I can see Sony easily predicting their over compensation by further over compensating themselves. I seriously think however that both companies have spies working on the inside. The hardware and release dates have just become too similar and too coincidental this past 2 generations imo. It's as if each side had leaks coming in about what the other company was thinking and then they just try to change a few things to be different or compensate in some way.

I also think neither is considering Nintendo or Valve atm. It's possible that Nintendo could just say bam and slam everyone with a heavy hitting system and title lineup or Valve could surprise us all with a sudden popularity of Steam machines. All it takes is for a trend to start and it can snowball quickly which would force Sony and MS to rethink their approach.

Usually the lower selling machine initiates an earlier release for their next machine in a 1st to market gambit.

Based on that observation, it seems Xbox 4 will release first.

These things happen! lol.

I honestly thought this generation would last longer but people seem to be talking about new stuff already.

Like **** guys what happened to actually having a versatile game collection like the PS3 or an Xbox 360 while waiting for the new gen?

I get we have a set but it really isn't comparable to last gen.

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I think the Xbox will be the more powerful console but they will probably launch around the same time.

I'm hoping that MS goes with a $600 budget at Launch and gives us a Revolutionary Leap in Tech. With 3D Stacked Ram and 16 NM Chip sets coming MS should go straight for the Core gamer the 1st 2 years then throw in a gimmick like VR/Kinect to bring in new users.

I just don't see MS fucking up again, so I imagine the nextbox will pack good hardware. And yes, it might come out first.

Both will probably release in same year but I think Xbox 4 will be more powerful.

Microsoft has more incentive to move on to the next generation since they are unlikely to be able to win this generation no matter what they do, so I expect them to release their next console first probably in 2018. Since Sony is in the lead and aren't in the best financial shape, they will want to ride out the PS4 money making machine for a little longer, but I think they will have to release the PS5 a year later in 2019 to not get left behind.

As for which one will be the most powerful, that's harder to predict. Whatever the case, I think Microsoft has learned their lesson about launching a console that is more expensive yet less powerful, so if Microsoft's next console can't beat the PS5 in power then I expect them to beat it in price and vice-versa.

LOL @ lemming fangirls thinking that MS can make a more powerful console at a $400-500 budget just because they want to. You think MS intentionally made the Xbone weaker than the PS4 despite the xbone having a much higher bill of materal? You tools. It doesn't work that way. This problem has nothing to do with what MS wants. It has everything to do with how competent their engineers are.

The truth is, none of MS's engineers are an intellectual equal to the genius Mark Cerny. MS spent $3 billion in R&D on the Xbone architecture and got stomped by 1 man without a R&D budget. 1 genius is worth far more to civilization than a million mediocre minds.

You lemmings can keep dreaming of next gen and the "super powerful" Xbox TWO, but no matter how much MS spends on R&D, SONY will outdo them with 1 man working in his small room without a R&D budget.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

I know what you said. I see sony going all the way to 2019 with the PS4 if it keeps selling well. We already know about the NX and the Xbox isn't doing well. So I see them rushing to end the gen way before Sony.

Microsoft: $3 billion in R&D on the architecture and only 1.2 TF in power. Lower res and lower frame rates despite devs putting an army of coders behind the Xbone version of their games.

SONY: a couple million dollars in R&D. Mostly used for basic hardware design. Architecture had no R&D budget. 1.8 TF GPU. Higher res and frame rates despite getting very little dev support and time.

You guys realize last gen was unusually long, right? I can totally see new hardware in 2018/2019.

"A couple million dollars in R&D"

Please continue lol...

There is nothing to R&D. SONY only had to worry about the exterior, controller and a few miscellaneous components.

Oh, are your idiotic posts humorous.

Apple's business strategy is marketing planned obsolescence.

@nyadc: The power of the console has nothing to do with the length of the console generation. If necessary, developers will continue to water down their games to work on whatever consoles are available. Whatever advancements are made in the meantime on PC are mostly irrelevant because devs will target the console hardware and simply provide the option for graphical improvements on the PC version.

The PS4 can continue for 10 years, easily. Sony may not want the PS4 to continue for 10 years though because at that point the consumer base gets bored and tired of the system limitations. Sales then start to drop and even price cuts fail to generate interest. They start to desire something new and interesting. That alone will decide when a new console launches, not simply the need for more "power".

I think the PS5 will be the most powerful but I think the Xbox will come out earlier maybe even a full year earlier. Traditionaly the console company that has the strongest current gen sales releases there next console last.

I'm banking on Xbox 4, due to the trouncing they got this gen. The real question is whether Sony will become cocky again like they did with the PS3. Two jobs indeed.

Is this parody or theater, or is this real?

@SakusEnvoy: There will be a new PS by 2018 maybe even 2017. Why? Because you won't be able to name one time in the history of gaming when a competitor released a next gen console without someone answering them within a year, not once. Even the PS4/XB1 came out one year after the Wii U and it wasn't even selling well. Sony and MS are not going to let Nintendo have the most powerful console for the next 5 years. So yes these consoles will have a short lifecycle and you have Nintendo to thank for it.

I'm not sure, but its something that consumes my thoughts every waking minute of my life.

@AM-Gamer: you're assuming that the PS4 and Xbox One were a reaction to the Wii U, though. Sony had already shipped development kits to game developers for Orbis before the Wii U even launched. The Wii U was never really considered by Microsoft or Sony to be a threat nor did it likely change or alter their console launch plans in any appreciable way.

The real reason PS4 and Xbox One launched in 2013 is because their predecessors were now 7 and 8 years old, respectively, and they needed to release something new to generate interest and excitement in their products again.

Don't forget, Sony and Microsoft have a monopoly on third party game development and sales and continue to have the largest install base to sell those games to. Nintendo has and will continue to have an uphill battle competing with that.

That NPD broke them. Even nyadc has given up lol.