Valve: We're not PS3 developers

Valve is too lazy to learn how to program on PS3. They are too used to PC, and 360 software programming apparently has a very similar structure to PC. PS3 is just a big pain apparently. AvIdGaMeR444

Valve isn't lazy. It's just a huge waste of time. The Orange Box didn't have a large appeal on consoles. I personally loved it.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Valve hates MS with a passionlowe0

Gabe and most of the other people in Valve have said in interviews how they don't like MS.

And just look at their actions.. Steam Community is a giant **** you to MS...

Valve has repeatedly expressed how terrible a job MS has done with the GFW initiative. And why wouldn't Valve have at least gone ahead and slapped the GFW tag on their games unless they had some problem with MS? The facts are staring you in the face... if you choose to ignore them fine but the fact will still remain that Valve hates MS as a company.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Valve hates MS with a passionlowe0

plus valve did the 360 verson of the ornage box themselvs. they left EA to do the PS3 version which as we all know is terrible.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]Valve hates MS with a passionthegoldenpoo

plus valve did the 360 verson of the ornage box themselvs. they left EA to do the PS3 version which as we all know is terrible.

What does them doing it themselves have to do with them hating MS? They like MS's platforms but they hate MS as a company.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Valve is too lazy to learn how to program on PS3. They are too used to PC, and 360 software programming apparently has a very similar structure to PC. PS3 is just a big pain apparently. horrowhip

Like I said before....

If you can name ONE dev who devotes as much time, energy and work into their games as Valve, who isn't Blizzard... Well.. they you can talk.

Too bad that is impossible.

Kojima Productions, Insomiac, Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Gran Turismo Makers( Forgot there name lol), Bioware.

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[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Valve is too lazy to learn how to program on PS3. They are too used to PC, and 360 software programming apparently has a very similar structure to PC. PS3 is just a big pain apparently. KrazyKev26

Like I said before....

If you can name ONE dev who devotes as much time, energy and work into their games as Valve, who isn't Blizzard... Well.. they you can talk.

Too bad that is impossible.

Kojima Productions, Insomiac, Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Gran Turismo Makers( Forgot there name lol), Bioware.

no... None of them are on the level of Valve.

Valve is the company that completely scrapped TF2 2 times just so they could get it right. They also scrapped HL2's original design. And both episodes so far have experienced the same things as above...

The only company that does stuff like that other than Valve for the sake of quality is Blizzard... Sure, games get scrapped by publishers or get scrapped because the games suck. But Valve and Blizzard take it to an entirely different level... they scrap games that are AAA games because they don't feel it is as good as it could be... And they just throw away thousands of hours of work and millions of dollars just so they can make the best game possible. Other developers don't do that.

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[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Valve is too lazy to learn how to program on PS3. They are too used to PC, and 360 software programming apparently has a very similar structure to PC. PS3 is just a big pain apparently. horrowhip

Like I said before....

If you can name ONE dev who devotes as much time, energy and work into their games as Valve, who isn't Blizzard... Well.. they you can talk.

Too bad that is impossible.

Kojima Productions, Insomiac, Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Gran Turismo Makers( Forgot there name lol), Bioware.

no... None of them are on the level of Valve.

Valve is the company that completely scrapped TF2 2 times just so they could get it right. They also scrapped HL2's original design. And both episodes so far have experienced the same things as above...

The only company that does stuff like that other than Valve for the sake of quality is Blizzard... Sure, games get scrapped by publishers or get scrapped because the games suck. But Valve and Blizzard take it to an entirely different level... they scrap games that are AAA games because they don't feel it is as good as it could be... And they just throw away thousands of hours of work and millions of dollars just so they can make the best game possible. Other developers don't do that.

I'd actually say Polyphony does the same thing. I'll disagree with Kojima and Insomniac and Naughty dog, yeah, but Polyphony takes foooreeeevvvveeeerrrr getting things 'right' for their purposes, and usually end up leaving out a bunch of stuff in the end anyway. But Polyphony is inhouse Sony, sooo yeah. lol.Makari

I suppose. But it is also slightly different circumstances for a racing games' development...

[QUOTE="Makari"] I'd actually say Polyphony does the same thing. I'll disagree with Kojima and Insomniac and Naughty dog, yeah, but Polyphony takes foooreeeevvvveeeerrrr getting things 'right' for their purposes, and usually end up leaving out a bunch of stuff in the end anyway. But Polyphony is inhouse Sony, sooo yeah. lol.horrowhip

I suppose. But it is also slightly different circumstances for a racing games' development...

valve favor of DX flatform, but ps3 is opengl based, and hard to develop for.nowadays, only few devs stick to opengl.

Valve lost many customers because of the PS3-EA debacle.

Me included.

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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

EA did the TOB port.

yeah but the game itself still sucked. imo, everything about the game was crap. enemies, characters, shooting, I just did not like the game personally. the only thing I liked about the game was the music, 'Sector Sweep' lol, I have it on my walkman.

Well, there's no accounting for taste, I guess. As long as there's another generic console FPS with crappy controls I guess this guy'll be just fine

Valve lost many customers because of the PS3-EA debacle.

Me included.

mentzer

More your loss then Valves. Not their fault EA botched a great game offering. Also not their fault that the PS3 is more of a pain to develop for then it's worth sometimes.

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Valve lost many customers because of the PS3-EA debacle.

Me included.

Harrick

More your loss then Valves. Not their fault EA botched a great game offering. Also not their fault that the PS3 is more of a pain to develop for then it's worth sometimes.

OF course it's their fault, they handed the port over to EA.

And Valve worked on a much harder to dev for system before, so that is a cop out excuse.

You guys do know that Valve didn't hand EA the port, EA asked..... right?

Valve didn't care about the PS3 and they weren't thinking of porting.....

Kind of old...

There's a very straightforward reason why Valve doesn't develop for the PS3.

When Valve changed up their corporate architecture during the development of the first Half-Life and created the 'cabal system' that they use to create their games, one of the things they made sure to focus on was efficiency. They didn't want to dedicate engineers to projects that would take months to create and then only be used in a small part of the game, because that doesn't make much sense in terms of time or finances.

I'd suspect that developing for the PS3 is a similar thing. I'm pretty sure Gabe mentioned this reasoning during some earlier rant, but he basically said that learning to develop for the PS3 isn't a skill that's applicable anywhere else. All the developers at Valve know how to program a PC, and therefore, by extension, can make 360 games. But if Valve wanted to develop for the PS3, they'd have to spend months learning the machine, and when they were done, those skills would only be useful as long as they were making PS3 games. Once they stop making PS3 games, all those months are wasted.

Considering that Valve is already sitting on a huge pile of money from Steam and their top-selling PC products, they probably just don't see the need to spend lots of time and money developing a skill-set that they won't use very much, when they could be spending those resources working on products that will return money faster.

sonicmj1

i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againDante2710