Valve: We're not PS3 developers

[spoiler] Valve's main marketer Doug Lombardi was on hand recently to show off the latest version of the awesome looking PC, 360 zombie shooter, Left 4 Dead. But PS3 is being left out of the loop.

Lombardi told us, "We're not PS3 developers - we're doing PC and 360 like with Orange Box. EA came to us and said 'Wow, Orange box was an incredible project, can we do a PS3 version?'"

So does that mean if it's a hit someone else (EA again, maybe?) could port it over to PS3? "Left 4 Dead doesn't have that guaranteed appeal yet - it's a new IP," Lombardi explained.

"If you mention a new Half-Life, people want to make as many versions of it as possible. If Left 4 Dead is big, then we may see a PS3 version later, or if and when we do a sequel, people may be more interested in that. [/spoiler]

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i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againDante2710

No, not EA! Ask someone else....Activision or Ubisoft, at least they don't totally **** up a PS3 port.

Except R6V2. Lulz ensued.

But Assassin's Creed was really good on PS3.

i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againDante2710

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

EA did the TOB port.

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againPietrooper

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

EA did the TOB port.

yeah but the game itself still sucked. imo, everything about the game was crap. enemies, characters, shooting, I just did not like the game personally. the only thing I liked about the game was the music, 'Sector Sweep' lol, I have it on my walkman.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againPietrooper

No, not EA! Ask someone else....Activision or Ubisoft, at least they don't totally **** up a PS3 port.

Except R6V2. Lulz ensued.

But Assassin's Creed was really good on PS3.

yeah but the game itself still sucked. imo, everything about the game was crap. enemies, characters, shooting,

xxThyLordxx

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

Why can't Valve and Epic just STFU, sheesh, I have to hear them bash every other console every time I read a newspiece even remotely related to them. You're Microsoft fanboys, we understand.Eponique

when did Epic take sides?

i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againDante2710

probably the upfront development cost. why would they want to do it when their main platform is the pc and the 360 is an easy transition. but for them to do ps3 development they would need to make a much bigger commitment. and since EA is willing to port for them it seems like it would make sense.

Why can't Valve and Epic just STFU, sheesh, I have to hear them bash every other console every time I read a newspiece even remotely related to them. You're Microsoft fanboys, we understand.Eponique

we already know valvue hates PS3. they like PC's and don't want to put the work in to figuring out the PS3Ragashahs

Personally, I don't give a sh*t since I play Valve games on the PC only, and will continue doing so. Valve started as a PC developer so their PC versions will always be superior to their console counterparts. No offence, but that's just the way it is.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

EA did the TOB port.

yeah but the game itself still sucked. imo, everything about the game was crap. enemies, characters, shooting, I just did not like the game personally. the only thing I liked about the game was the music, 'Sector Sweep' lol, I have it on my walkman.

nope, great game. you have to think in restrospect.. the game is not from last year.

By the way, TOB is not a game...it's a couple of games...

Why can't Valve and Epic just STFU, sheesh, I have to hear them bash every other console every time I read a newspiece even remotely related to them. You're Microsoft fanboys, we understand.Eponique

Well actually if it comes down to it their PC fanboys, but console wise they may be Microsoft fanboys. That's probably just because it's easier to code for (so we hear) and the only other option is the Wii, which really isn't an option.

lol, this is old news if you saw Orange Box. I think it was obvious they are not good at PS3 developement.darthogre

that was EA. valve doesn't do PS3 development..

If they don't want to move foward then there going to be in a position within the next couple of years where they will have to scramble to get the hang of Blu-Ray or just get out of gaming development. Blu-Ray will be the standard in a couple of years for PS3 and PC's (there already releasing the Blu-Ray drive for PC).jimm895

no it wont....Blue Ray wont be needed for PC games for many years...probably at least 5.

Why can't Valve and Epic just STFU, sheesh, I have to hear them bash every other console every time I read a newspiece even remotely related to them. You're Microsoft fanboys, we understand.Eponique

Valve just doesn't like the PS3 architecture. They haven't bashed the Wii. Their only issue is with the development process of the PS3.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

Next time don't buy it on PS3. That version is far inferior.

If they don't want to move foward then there going to be in a position within the next couple of years where they will have to scramble to get the hang of Blu-Ray or just get out of gaming development. Blu-Ray will be the standard in a couple of years for PS3 and PC's (there already releasing the Blu-Ray drive for PC).jimm895

Straight out the sony fanbook.

[QUOTE="jimm895"]If they don't want to move foward then there going to be in a position within the next couple of years where they will have to scramble to get the hang of Blu-Ray or just get out of gaming development. Blu-Ray will be the standard in a couple of years for PS3 and PC's (there already releasing the Blu-Ray drive for PC).CreepyBacon

Straight out the sony fanbook.

While Blu-ray may become Standard, it's just another form of disc. It's not anything to do with developing and will be as easy for developers to switch over as from CD to DVD, the problem with the PS3 is the Cell for development, not the blu-ray.

There's a very straightforward reason why Valve doesn't develop for the PS3.

When Valve changed up their corporate architecture during the development of the first Half-Life and created the 'cabal system' that they use to create their games, one of the things they made sure to focus on was efficiency. They didn't want to dedicate engineers to projects that would take months to create and then only be used in a small part of the game, because that doesn't make much sense in terms of time or finances.

I'd suspect that developing for the PS3 is a similar thing. I'm pretty sure Gabe mentioned this reasoning during some earlier rant, but he basically said that learning to develop for the PS3 isn't a skill that's applicable anywhere else. All the developers at Valve know how to program a PC, and therefore, by extension, can make 360 games. But if Valve wanted to develop for the PS3, they'd have to spend months learning the machine, and when they were done, those skills would only be useful as long as they were making PS3 games. Once they stop making PS3 games, all those months are wasted.

Considering that Valve is already sitting on a huge pile of money from Steam and their top-selling PC products, they probably just don't see the need to spend lots of time and money developing a skill-set that they won't use very much, when they could be spending those resources working on products that will return money faster.

we already know valvue hates PS3. they like PC's and don't want to put the work in to figuring out the PS3Ragashahs

you mean the money?

Work = money. It costs money to work

If they don't want to move foward then there going to be in a position within the next couple of years where they will have to scramble to get the hang of Blu-Ray or just get out of gaming development. Blu-Ray will be the standard in a couple of years for PS3 and PC's (there already releasing the Blu-Ray drive for PC).jimm895

Um blu-ray isn't the issue here its just a freaking storage medium. The issue is they will have to rebuild the source engine from the ground up using a completely different API (OpenGL) and on completely different hardware. EA tried it and they failed miserably.

Porting code to the 360 platform is easy, with PS3 you really cant port you have to write a whole different engine.

i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againDante2710

that would just add insult to injury.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Why can't Valve and Epic just STFU, sheesh, I have to hear them bash every other console every time I read a newspiece even remotely related to them. You're Microsoft fanboys, we understand.lawlessx

when did Epic take sides?

Everything Revolves Around Money

I don't see Left4Dead being that popular on 360.foxhound_fox

However if it did come to PS3 get someone else. OB on PS3 sucked hard. Terrible port. I just can't believe who thought the places for loading points was a good idea? Sometimes I'd have to walk through a load screen in the middle of battle, or in empty places where then an enemy spawns in front of me from nowhere (loaded from next area?) and then get hit just to be pushed back and wait for the load again.

Ughh... terrible port and controls of the SIXAXIS were expected of any PS3 game. (Why did I rent it again? )

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

LOL wut?

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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againMadExponent

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

LOL wut?

Oh nm you got the PS3 version. Ew....

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i still dont get why valve wont do any projects on the ps3....ohh well...maybe ps3 owners will get a port from EA againxxThyLordxx

they cant develop for 360 as well properlymingo123

I thought they did a good job with The Orange Box. imo, T.O.B sucked hard, after all the hype about how Half-Life is the best FPS. I foolishly fell for it and bought it. I returned it the next day.

EA did the TOB port.

yeah but the game itself still sucked. imo, everything about the game was crap. enemies, characters, shooting, I just did not like the game personally. the only thing I liked about the game was the music, 'Sector Sweep' lol, I have it on my walkman.

While i dont think HL2 was terrible i didnt think it was anywhere near the best FPS game ever. Maybe back in its time. But not now. Its an ok game, feels like a relatively old Pc game withbetter graphics. There was a serious lack of sound.

valve doesn't like to try new things

i guess they don't really want to figure out the cell or how to program for the ps3

I have heard John Carmack saying that the PS3 dev kits just don't have good tools. Thats the guy behind the tech that made the very first 3D games HoverTank 3D, Doom, Wolfenstein. If the creators of the first person shooter with all their technical genius with game engines don't like the PS3 as a game development environment then I can't really blame Valve. There have been issues where there is no debugger to tell you why something isn't working in the game as there is on 360. You just have to already know it. So blame Sony and respect Valve for at least saying theres a problem for us this is why we aren't developing for this console. At least they're being truthful with us. We need more of that.

Many game devs have said PS3 is really hard to develop for. As for people not liking the Orange Box. Wow. I get it if you don't like first person shooters. But the games in there are fantastic. Half Life 2 came out in 2004 so its 4 yrs old already and episode 2 is an expansion pack of sorts. So if you were looking for Gears of War or something then sorry. It may not be as pretty bt its got a solid story and speaking of story it was the first Half Life back in 1998 that brought story into first person shooters. It moved us away from being the DOOM guy just mowing down enemy after enemy searching for the red key and exiting on to the next level. So next time you are enjoying a story in a first person shooter know that Valve did it first. I've played all the good console first person shooters out there and if you started with the first Half Life then you know how great these games really are. Also Half Life 2 and the episodes have the most believable characters in a game ever. The technology they created is being used to help autistic kids.

Mayeb some of you are also disappointed with the Orange Box because there are many things in there you have seen done before in other games. Well these guys did it first. HDR, High Dynamic Range lighting was first done with Source. Problem is that those of you stuck behind your consoles and not into PC gaming come here with no knowledge of what came before and think that your recent console game is groundbreaking when its been done better before. Go hit up Steam and play the first Half Life. Look past the graphics as its 10 yrs old but is still better then 90 percent of the games released today. Playstation 3 is just a shiny black limited PC anyway so why would they focus on developing for it when they're happy with PC which will always be the best platform. Consoels are only emulating waht the PC has been doing for years. My god you might have to grow a brain to build one that plays games well though. shocking!

I don't see Left4Dead being that popular on 360.foxhound_fox

Yeap, me neither. Half-Life 2 and such games aren't as respected on the 360 as they are on the PC. The priorities are a little different. Console players want production values, cheap thrills, and simple gameplay. PC games tend to put story, atmosphere, and gameplay higher up on the list.

I don't blame Valve for not putting effort into a PS3 version. It's a lot of effort to deliver a game that only a minority will appreciate.