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#1  Edited By sakaiXx
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Unfortunately it looks like Sony cheapen out in some parts of the PS5 software/designs. The PS5 HDMI output currently capped out at 32gbps compared to the Xbox 40gbps. For some who doesn't know, for games at 4K120fps, bigger bandwidth is better to transmit a 4K data. This just means that PS5 has less room to transmit a true 4K120 4:4:4 color format and settle down to a still acceptable color format of 4:2:2. PS4 still runs game at 4K120 don't worry.

I know there will be doom and gloom but according to Atmos you only need a bandwidth of 18gbps for 4K60 + Dolby Vision, the PS5 2.1 HDMI cable itself can do 48gbps as per confirmed by digital foundry and in a PS5 teardown the Panasonic HDMI chipset is capable of at least transmitting 40gbps. This all is probably needs a software fix.

The channel is absolutely great by the way. Love his TV reviews.

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God of War, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon still gonna run better than they do on the Xbox...which is not at all

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#3 regnaston
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@sakaixx: that channel is good. However DF did not "test" the cables other than hooking it up to a 120hz display and confirming it worked. I was not going to post this when I found it but since you brought it up, this guy tested the cables that came with his PS5, XSX, and XSX... I have linked the section dealing with his PS5 cable (mind you the test is not conclusive as he only tested one of each, he could have a dud cable)

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@jcrame10 said:

God of War, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon still gonna run better than they do on the Xbox...which is not at all

Damage control at its best. You do know that this thread is about the PS5? Do you also know that, nothing you stated addresses the problem?😂🤣

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@Pedro said:
@jcrame10 said:

God of War, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon still gonna run better than they do on the Xbox...which is not at all

Damage control at its best. You do know that this thread is about the PS5? Do you also know that, nothing you stated addresses the problem?😂🤣

Can you address the problem of your Xbox not having any games besides Tetris and Gears Tactics LOL

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#6  Edited By deactivated-60113e7859d7d
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I don't think Windows/Nvidia can even do 4:4:4. Always falls back to 4:2:2 for me. I wish I could see what the difference is, but I still don't have a Blu-ray reader that can rip my UHD discs.

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@regnaston: the problem is not the cable but Sony software limiting the chipset to output only 32gbps of the full 48gbps bandwidth. There is no such thing as a 32gbps hdmi 2.1 cable wtf is that where did you eat that bullshit.

Sony at least has noted that the PS5 itself is able to do 8K through a software update,which they not yet address.

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@jcrame10 said:

Can you address the problem of your Xbox not having any games besides Tetris and Gears Tactics LOL

This thread is about the PS5 HDMI port not about PS4 games or Xbox. Stop deflecting. Bu Buh But Xbox. 😂🤣

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@regnaston: the problem is not the cable but Sony software limiting the chipset to output only 32gbps of the full 48gbps bandwidth. There is no such thing as a 32gbps hdmi 2.1 cable wtf is that where did you eat that bullshit.

Sony at least has noted that the PS5 itself is able to do 8K through a software update,which they not yet address.

In my video he tested the cable when not attached to the system.. it passed 7 times out of 10 and failed fully 3 times out of 10

Where did I say 32 gbps?

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@regnaston: ops completely went off the rail. It irks my when people say about the cable, there is no such thing as custom low bandwith hdmi 2.1 cable I got a reflex whenever someone bringing it up. Still doesnt matter whatever cable the PS5 has, its a software problem as far as what we know or, the Panasonic chipset is just crap.

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#12  Edited By Bluestars
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@jcrame10:

dat damage control hah

xbox studios ES6 laughs at your list

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#13  Edited By deactivated-611a8cd6e3c93
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Lol, not really surprised at all. If any company can cheap out anything, it's a safe bet bet they will.

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I don't think Windows/Nvidia can even do 4:4:4. Always falls back to 4:2:2 for me. I wish I could see what the difference is, but I still don't have a Blu-ray reader that can rip my UHD discs.

UHD Blu-rays are standardized/mastered in 4:2:0 so you literally don't even have to bother...

4:4:4 and 4:2:2 is, more or less, undistinguishable in videogames. It's the nasty 4:2:0 subsampling that's the stuff of "color blending" and "ghosting" nightmares...:\

/EDIT: Jeez i hate my wording and grammar...

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#14 Eoten
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All margins that look like something on paper, but in practice, you're not going to notice a difference. Let's be real about a lot of the "system wars" crap. It's splitting hairs on minor numbers that human players will never be able to recognize the differences of. For all intents and purposes the two consoles are functionally the same. Just pick the one with the exclusives you like more, and get on with your day.

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#15  Edited By ellos
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Microsoft is up with teh features. Sony cheap out again like they did with the pro.

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#16 ocinom
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So? Any game right now that can run 4k 120fps?

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I wouldn't call them idiots if it can in fact be fixed by a software update.

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#18 xantufrog  Moderator
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What content on the PS5 could possibly exceed this bandwidth? Serious question

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#19 hardwenzen
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And they have 8k on the box? Smart.

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#20 mojito1988
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I do not see this having any major impact on anything.

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@bluestars said:

@jcrame10:

dat damage control hah

xbox studios ES6 laughs at your list

Phil Spencer can't even confirm if Bethesda games will stay exclusive to Microsoft, why are you attempting to?

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@jcrame10: Phil spencer also hasn’t released a single GOTY caliber exclusive during his entire tenure. It’s pathetic. Everything lems hold onto are simply promises

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#23 clone01
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so? Both of the consoles are more than capable.

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@xantufrog said:

What content on the PS5 could possibly exceed this bandwidth? Serious question

Are you saying the PS5 cannot achieve 4k/120FPS? How dare you.

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#25  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@Pedro: maybe ;-)

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As long as it does 4k/60 at full rgb I'm fine.

Even with my 3090 I just stick to 60fps

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#27  Edited By BassMan
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@navyguy21 said:

As long as it does 4k/60 at full rgb I'm fine.

Even with my 3090 I just stick to 60fps

3090 is capable of more than that on many games. Do you not have a 4K/120 display? One of the best things about Nvidia 3000 series is the HDMI 2.1 connection. I have been enjoying 4K/120 with G-Sync on my LG C9 OLED. It is amazing. 3440x1440/120 with G-Sync over display port on my monitor is great too. :)

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#28  Edited By Bluestars
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@jcrame10:

confirm what?..they are Xbox studio games?...nice to see you not disagree with my fact that ES is bigger than anything ps studios has to offer

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@bluestars said:

@jcrame10:

confirm what?..they are Xbox studio games?...nice to see you not disagree with my fact that ES is bigger than anything ps studios has to offer

Why would I disagree when it's true lol

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#30 rzxv04
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Another trash showing of Sony's team.

Stop supporting this company.

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@jcrame10: Phil spencer also hasn’t released a single GOTY caliber exclusive during his entire tenure. It’s pathetic. Everything lems hold onto are simply promises

Hey phlop/benji/boxrekt etc you should be over answering my question in the GOTY thread.

MSFS is 91

Ori is 90

& both beat FF7 R 87

& GoT 83

and yet the 2 above got nominated and the 2 above those didn't, how do you explain that boys lol.

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@i_p_daily said:
@phlop_spencer said:

@jcrame10: Phil spencer also hasn’t released a single GOTY caliber exclusive during his entire tenure. It’s pathetic. Everything lems hold onto are simply promises

Hey phlop/benji/boxrekt etc you should be over answering my question in the GOTY thread.

MSFS is 91

Ori is 90

& both beat FF7 R 87

& GoT 83

and yet the 2 above got nominated and the 2 above those didn't, how do you explain that boys lol.

MSFS is a good game but it's niche and won't appeal to everyone

Both Ori games are excellent but didn't they come to PC and Switch

IDK what GoT is

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#33 Sevenizz
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Other than the most strictest of cows, I don’t think anyone doesn’t already know the ps5 is an engineering nightmare.

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@BassMan said:
@navyguy21 said:

As long as it does 4k/60 at full rgb I'm fine.

Even with my 3090 I just stick to 60fps

3090 is capable of more than that on many games. Do you not have a 4K/120 display? One of the best things about Nvidia 3000 series is the HDMI 2.1 connection. I have been enjoying 4K/120 with G-Sync on my LG C9 OLED. It is amazing. 3440x1440/120 with G-Sync over display port on my monitor is great too. :)

turn off dlss and fully turn on ray tracing...

windows 10 with 4k /8k hdr..... ahahahahahah that been broken for years!!!!!!!!!

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@firedrakes said:
@BassMan said:
@navyguy21 said:

As long as it does 4k/60 at full rgb I'm fine.

Even with my 3090 I just stick to 60fps

3090 is capable of more than that on many games. Do you not have a 4K/120 display? One of the best things about Nvidia 3000 series is the HDMI 2.1 connection. I have been enjoying 4K/120 with G-Sync on my LG C9 OLED. It is amazing. 3440x1440/120 with G-Sync over display port on my monitor is great too. :)

turn off dlss and fully turn on ray tracing...

windows 10 with 4k /8k hdr..... ahahahahahah that been broken for years!!!!!!!!!

Why would anyone turn off DLSS?

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@fedor said:

Why would anyone turn off DLSS?

Its not native. Its PC answer to console checkerboarding. 😎

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@sakaixx: No need to worry as i heard they're on to it

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#38  Edited By sakaiXx
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@i_p_daily: the only thing we agree upon this week IP. Atleast glad Sony games gets nominated for GOTY like they deserves, better luck next year xbox ~ ~

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@i_p_daily: flight simulator is niche and ori is an indie side scroller nobody cares about. Cry harder

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#40 Fedor
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@Pedro: Well we have to keep up with consoles somehow.

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#41 Pedro  Online
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@fedor: LOL

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#42 Martin_G_N
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The Panasonic chip in the PS5 is capable of the same speeds as the sX, so it probably just needs an update.

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@jcrame10 said:
@i_p_daily said:
@phlop_spencer said:

@jcrame10: Phil spencer also hasn’t released a single GOTY caliber exclusive during his entire tenure. It’s pathetic. Everything lems hold onto are simply promises

Hey phlop/benji/boxrekt etc you should be over answering my question in the GOTY thread.

MSFS is 91

Ori is 90

& both beat FF7 R 87

& GoT 83

and yet the 2 above got nominated and the 2 above those didn't, how do you explain that boys lol.

MSFS is a good game but it's niche and won't appeal to everyone

Both Ori games are excellent but didn't they come to PC and Switch

IDK what GoT is

First of its called game of the year, not the highest selling game of the year because if it does, well then Animal Crossing has is in the bag, a game being niche has nothing to do with it.

Secondly how can a cow such as yourself not know the abbreviation of Ghost of Tsushima?

Thirdly what does a games availability on multiple platforms have anything to do with it?

See i don't know the exact criteria of the awards but it seems its all over the place in its pickings and therefore pretty much useless.

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@phlop_spencer said:

@i_p_daily: flight simulator is niche and ori is an indie side scroller nobody cares about. Cry harder

That's it, that's all you got? well these niche games outscored Sony highest selling game this year by a wide margin as 91 & 90 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 83 and Sony's highest selling game this year isn't even an a "must-play"on cows holy grail of a site in Metashitic LMFAO.

FF7 R & Ghost of Tsushima need not apply LOL.
FF7 R & Ghost of Tsushima need not apply LOL.

So scores don't matter now huh cow since they don't favour you.

You live by the scores, eat crow when the scores own you, man this is so much fun taking the piss out of you cows with your own go to sites.

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#45 cdragon_88
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It's just Sony busting a Sony. They done stupid shit like this many times before. Remember how the PS3 didn't even have an internal scaler? These are the same idiots that didn't even include VRR. I wouldn't be surprised if you asked one of the engineers on the PS5 why VRR was omitted and they gave you a blank stare as to what the hell it is.

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#46 navyguy21
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@BassMan said:
@navyguy21 said:

As long as it does 4k/60 at full rgb I'm fine.

Even with my 3090 I just stick to 60fps

3090 is capable of more than that on many games. Do you not have a 4K/120 display? One of the best things about Nvidia 3000 series is the HDMI 2.1 connection. I have been enjoying 4K/120 with G-Sync on my LG C9 OLED. It is amazing. 3440x1440/120 with G-Sync over display port on my monitor is great too. :)

I have the exact same TV, its just that I mostly play single player games or elder scrolls online every now and then so I have no need for 120fps

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#47 BassMan
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@navyguy21: You can never have enough fps. :)

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Hmm why is it when there is a positive for the Series X its nothing and the Ps5 will have it later but that is not okay for the xbox? The double standard's is laughable and I am sure if it does get a patch and all of a sudden it can do 48gbp they will be back in here claiming ownage..

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@h4l90o0: Xbox winning? What kind of magic is that??

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@sakaixx said:

@i_p_daily: the only thing we agree upon this week IP. Atleast glad Sony games gets nominated for GOTY like they deserves, better luck next year xbox ~ ~

What we can also agree on is 91 & 90 >>>>>87 & 83, the bias is real.