The Xbox 360's greatest weakness?

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#1 SmokingBomber1
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This isn't a topic to discuss how the Xbox 360 is better or worse than other consoles. Every console has its weaknesses.

That said, what do you think is the Xbox 360's greatest weakness?

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#2 mstc_Q
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Good deal, saves me time on making one myself. (Tagged)
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#3 SpruceCaboose
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Did we need a copy-cat thread?

And hardware issues, no question.
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#4 mitu123
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RROD, I can deal with the others.
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#5 mstc_Q
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Did we need a copy-cat thread?

And hardware issues, no question.SpruceCaboose
I was going to make one eventually anyway.
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#6 Iheartrpgsalot
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These are the only things that are bad about the 360: Xbox Live Fees Hardware Failure No Built in Wireless Everything else is fine. And the games library is by far the best.
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#7 Floppy_Jim
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Hardware issues followed by Live fees.
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#8 Toriko42
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Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.
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Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.Toriko42
I thought this thread WASN'T about comparison...
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#10 hiphops_savior
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The only games that sell are either shooters or have shooter elements.
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Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.Toriko42
And who brought the PS3 into this thread? Oh yeah. YOU. Try to stay on topic please. I voted XBL fees. Yeah its hardware is terrible but that isnt something MS chose to happen. MS wants to charge you to play online and that is just wrong. And option 5 is ridiculous. 360 has plenty of processing power.
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#12 yoyo462001
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definitely the Hardware, its made even the mos adamant 360 fanboys extremely annoyed and made me skeptical on there next gaming machine.
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#13 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.TheGrat1
And who brought the PS3 into this thread? Oh yeah. YOU. Try to stay on topic please. I voted XBL fees. Yeah its hardware is terrible but that isnt something MS chose to happen. MS wants to charge you to play online and that is just wrong. And option 5 is ridiculous. 360 has plenty of processing power.

System Wars, if this was in the 360 forum my post would be different
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#14 webhead921
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The biggest weakness for me is the unreliability of the hardware. Tons of people I know have had problems with RROD. The hardware is the only thing that is making me want to save up and get a ps3 as my next console instead of 360.
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#15 mstc_Q
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[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Toriko42"]Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.Toriko42
And who brought the PS3 into this thread? Oh yeah. YOU. Try to stay on topic please. I voted XBL fees. Yeah its hardware is terrible but that isnt something MS chose to happen. MS wants to charge you to play online and that is just wrong. And option 5 is ridiculous. 360 has plenty of processing power.

System Wars, if this was in the 360 forum my post would be different

The purpose of this thread being in System Wars is to establish an opinion about the individual console's weaknesses apart from direct comparison.
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#16 wooooode
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Who would really pick game library? I think the harware issues are the biggest weakness this gen.
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#17 mstc_Q
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I think the hardware issues are a little overblown.

I picked the library because everything that I personally care about is also on the PC, where it's cheaper to buy and more customizable.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Hardware is the only one. The rest the PS3 has 1. Game Library isn't that great, a few amazing games the rest is just run of the mill. Everything else is on 360 or PC. 2. Fees sure but firmware updates brick PS3s often and it's not unified (MGO would not be that bad on XBL servers) 3. It wins here though it still has unreliabilities 4. Well PS3 lacks backwards compatiblity (Huge for a PS2 successor) It also lacks the cords for HDTV...this is about 150 dollars CAD of missing things. 5. Oh please.

Dude, come on, this isn't ABOUT THE PS3, wow. We're talking about the 360's weakness's not talking about which has more features the ps3 or 360
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#19 yumamo
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no blu ray, no 8cell, no blue tooth, no good games, but t has the RROD and galo 3, and a 30% faller rate, and XBOX 360 = jet enigne
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#20 Master-Thief-09
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Hardware issues are too common.
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#21 yumamo
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there is no blu ray
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#22 cuddlesofwar
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No wireless. Cost too much. Poor hardware. No Blu Ray. Xbox Live has no dedicated servers and cost more. No CELL. No games. All the games it has are in the PC anyways.
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#23 one_on_one
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Let's think about this for a minute.

Game Library (everything good is on the PC anyway): what makes you think people have a gaming PC, plus the PC game sales has been down. The 360 has the largest library of games compared to other current consoles. Game library is the 360's strength.

Xbox Live: even with a fee, Xbox Live is also the 360's strength, since it's the better console online service.

Hardware Malfunction: this probably what hindered MS the most. With time hardware becomes more reliable.

Lack of typical features: depending on what sku you buy, it comes with a wired controller, hdmi cable, and headsets, no other console comes with headsets.

Lack of processing power: I don't know what it's lacking, but it has produced some great games with great visuals, plus most multiplats runs better on it.

So the only weakness in that list is probably the hardware malfunction.

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#24 Lanezy
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The hardware malfunctions, without a doubt, have hindered Microsoft's potential this generation.

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#25 aroxx_ab
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Hardware malfunctions no doubt, big reason i bought Ps3.
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#26 iam2green
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xbox live fees. second is hardware failure. it isn't bad but PC and ps3 and wii have free online. o well, i can deal with this type of things.
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#27 SOedipus
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2, 3, and 4. Although you aren't forced to go wireless, but I did and had to pay because of it.
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#28 kozzy1234
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Hands down the worst problem is the hardware issues.

The 360 has an amazing collection of games, its just to bad it was put together so bad.

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#29 w0lfbreeder
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A. yes B. yes C. yes D. yes E. yes F. all of the above!
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I don't know...

Probably Firespin...

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#31 abdelmessih101
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RRoD and hardware problems definitely are at the top of the list. Then come lack features which is making it really expensive for me to buy right now, and then finally the useless (in my opinion) Xbox Live fee.

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#32 FragTycoon
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2, 3, 4

but mostly 3.

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#33 p0g0theclown
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no blu ray, no 8cell, no blue tooth, no good games, but t has the RROD and galo 3, and a 30% faller rate, and XBOX 360 = jet enigneyumamo
faller rate haha does it mean it falls faster. Blu ray and blue tooth aint needed. The cell we havent seen enough proof to say its actually benefits the ps3, halo3 cant see why that would be a problem, one of the fastest selling games ever.
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#34 hakanakumono
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There are too many problems with the xbox hardware.

Maybe Microsoft should be thinking of fixing the hardware problems like sony did with PS2 by doing a total overhaul to the system ... you know, just start on it now (DRE was pretty much fixed with PS2 slim).

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#35 obamanian
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Where is the "none of the above" option ?

The only weaknesses of 360 are

- initial big price
- not casual oriented enough
- no novel controls

As for the others

-Game Library (Everything good is on the PC anyway)

That is not happening, 360 has Fable 2, Mass Effect 2, Star Ocean 4, Gears 2, Halo 3, new Rare-Lionhead etc games and an avalance more as exclusives

and all major PC games (Alan Wakew, KUF2, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2), making it the by miles best choice for any PC gamer that wants to avoid a hugly expensive new PC

Plus gets the best of PS3, like FF13, RE5, GTA4 etc

-Xbox Live fees

You pay for a superior online offering, that is now a drwback, that is a gift, better than a low quality free service

-Hardware malfunction / Unreliability

Never had any problems with my xbox 360, both of them, since launch too

-Lack of typical features(Wireless, rechargable controller batteries, etc.)

Those do not apply to everyone, plus wireless is dangerous to your life, who wants that, when with a cable you can save your brains and have the best connection as well ?

-Lack of processing power

Xbox 360 gets the biggest by miles and most detailed / next gen worlds in 2008 (Fable 2) and 2009 (Alan Wakew, KUF2, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, Venetica etc), so its porcessing power is some of the greatest available right now, that is one of its greatest strengths

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This thread fails....hard. What is one off lifes biggest weaknesses? THIS THREAD.

I don't know how you can discuss somethings weaknesses and not be allowed to compare it against something else (TC even does it in the first poll choice) Something can only be weak compared to something else.

If i had to pick one though, and this is just going from what i've read on threads on here (i've not been able to replicate the problem on my launch core system) then it would have to be hardware. If I'd had the issues with the xbox that alot of uses on forums seem to have had "I'm on my tenth xbox this week" then yeah, i'd be annoyed too.

But then atleast MS did have good customer service, extend the warrenty and actually try fix the issue with new units.

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#37 Eyezonmii
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Everything, it's half-arsed...games need variety concerning many aspect, animations, graphics, gameplay. Hardware issues, No wifi built in, disc scatching, Noisy, Copy-cat Dashboard that needs originality, too much add-on's, Still uses disc trays, memory cards. Its a poor console all around. Only thing good about it is the controller.
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Still uses disc traysEyezonmii
I am lost for words
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#39 Eyezonmii
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Still uses disc traysangryfodder
I am lost for words

me too, just shocking...for this day and age. Thing feels ancient. Disc is unstable in one. Good thing we have Sony and Nintendo to show MS the way, otherwise we would be still living in caves if it were up to MS.
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[QUOTE="angryfodder"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Still uses disc traysEyezonmii
I am lost for words

me too, just shocking...for this day and age. Thing feels ancient. Disc is unstable in one. Good thing we have Sony and Nintendo to show MS the way, otherwise we would be still living in caves if it were up to MS.

How are disc trays bad again?

Ah yes sony leading the way with epic innovations such a betamax and blu ray - the technology that bought nothing to gaming at all.

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Everything, it's half-arsed...games need variety concerning many aspect, animations, graphics, gameplay. Hardware issues, No wifi built in, disc scatching, Noisy, Copy-cat Dashboard that needs originality, too much add-on's, Still uses disc trays, memory cards. Its a poor console all around. Only thing good about it is the controller. Eyezonmii
fanboy much? you could apply most of that to the ps3. but come on Half arsed? where? the ps3 tried to copy the features of the 360 and couldnt get them right for the release i.e trophies, psn, xmb. And at least with the 360 you got the HD cables unlike the ps3 and you get free headsets for live. live has more features then psn so that aint half arsed. games needing more variety? again the ps3 library is pretty much the same as the 360 just with less games, you really should compare both and see what variety the 360 has compared to the ps3. you are complaining bout the animations, graphics and the gameplay of 360 games, i think you are forgetting ps3 ports like orange box, perfect on the 360 and awful on the ps3. copycat dashboard from where? Considering it was the first released!!!! too many add ons, like what the wifi big deal it aint needed!!!! disc tray and memory cards now you are being pathetic
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#42 obamanian
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This thread fails....hard. What is one off lifes biggest weaknesses? THIS THREAD.

I don't know how you can discuss somethings weaknesses and not be allowed to compare it against something else (TC even does it in the first poll choice) Something can only be weak compared to something else.

If i had to pick one though, and this is just going from what i've read on threads on here (i've not been able to replicate the problem on my launch core system) then it would have to be hardware. If I'd had the issues with the xbox that alot of uses on forums seem to have had "I'm on my tenth xbox this week" then yeah, i'd be annoyed too.

But then atleast MS did have good customer service, extend the warrenty and actually try fix the issue with new units.

angryfodder

Still has the most and best, biggest in scale, detail, most innovative and stuning looking, huge 50-100+ hours games by miles this generation and nothing even remotly touches it

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#43 killerfist
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The weak Hardware obviously. Don't think anyone can claim otherwise. The D-pad is also a weakness, but not as much of a deal as RRoD, The E-errors, DRE's and all that stuff.

*Maybe the XBL fee too, but is that really that big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be?

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#44 McdonaIdsGuy
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I wonder if those 5 fanboys who voted for (lack of processing power) have a clue of what they're talking about.
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#45 Eyezonmii
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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Everything, it's half-arsed...games need variety concerning many aspect, animations, graphics, gameplay. Hardware issues, No wifi built in, disc scatching, Noisy, Copy-cat Dashboard that needs originality, too much add-on's, Still uses disc trays, memory cards. Its a poor console all around. Only thing good about it is the controller. p0g0theclown
fanboy much? you could apply most of that to the ps3. but come on Half arsed? where? the ps3 tried to copy the features of the 360 and couldnt get them right for the release i.e trophies, psn, xmb. And at least with the 360 you got the HD cables unlike the ps3 and you get free headsets for live. live has more features then psn so that aint half arsed. games needing more variety? again the ps3 library is pretty much the same as the 360 just with less games, you really should compare both and see what variety the 360 has compared to the ps3. you are complaining bout the animations, graphics and the gameplay of 360 games, i think you are forgetting ps3 ports like orange box, perfect on the 360 and awful on the ps3. copycat dashboard from where? Considering it was the first released!!!! too many add ons, like what the wifi big deal it aint needed!!!! disc tray and memory cards now you are being pathetic

You mean how MS copied the PS3 with all the HD stuff? HDMI, 1080p, HDDVD media Addon (to compete with bluray)....after all the **** MS said against SONY and there HD plans. I don't care for trophies, that was all done way before with unclockables and cheats. PSN isn' t Xbox live, lol. I don't care for online i am talking about hardware-wise/games. After sony came to the market with all the HD elements, the 360 looked so outdated, so they played catch up. Hell, MS might aswell name the ELITE the PS3...lol. And we all know MS copied the PSP with the guide button, but just implemented it on consoles first...since they were desperate to rush one to the market, now look how bad the hardware is.
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#46 xxThyLordxx
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without question, Hardware failures >LIVE fees > Lack of typical features > Game library.
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#47 deactivated-652663614c5e5
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probably the hardware issues, followed by the xbox live fees, and then the lack of common features.
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#48 skrat_01
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Hardware- first.

Then features - second.

Though its hardware by a large margin.

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#49 Narroo
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Propierty hardware and software fees. Both sccesory hardware and software costs are ridiculous.
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#50 Darkman2007
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the XBL fees and hardware issues.