The thread to end all UC vs Alan Wake Threads! The Winner IS....

Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

Bus-A-Bus

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Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

shinrabanshou

Almost, the mountains and the water between them aren't part of the sky box.

Almost, the mountains and the water between them aren't part of the sky box.

skektek

Presumably Alan Wake has larger draw distances (but I'm of the same skepticism as Digital Foundry in opining that it's entirely plausible that AW is also using similar techniques to give such illusions of "open world-ness") but I wonder if that will shut saolin/obamanian up about his silly "graphics metric" of U2's "last gen scale" by which I'm guessing he means draw distance, a term I know despite not being some sort of game developer like he claims to be.

Nah. Who am I kiddin'?

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Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

skektek

Almost, the mountains and the water between them aren't part of the sky box.

Are you sure? I think that they might be, actually... I mean, why render them in real-time?

I own both and Uncharted win by 5 miles instead of 1. Uncharted looks better period, you would have to be blind not to see that.

That said, Alan Wake still does have awesome graphics.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Out of curiosity, would this be a roughly accurate approximation of removal of the skybox from this shot?

siddhu33

Almost, the mountains and the water between them aren't part of the sky box.

Are you sure? I think that they might be, actually... I mean, why render them in real-time?

Yeah, you can see the water move and shimmer and the perspective of the mountain slopes change slightly as you move around.

I own both and Uncharted win by 5 miles instead of 1. Uncharted looks better period, you would have to be blind not to see that.

That said, Alan Wake still does have awesome graphics.

legolas95

So, you see huge open spaces in U2 ? Or dynamic volumetric lighting ? Or maybe weather effects and wind affecting whole forests, or thick open forests with huge detailed foliage ?

Sorry, i am definatly not blind, and i dont see anything as impressive in U2, only tiny spaces, no forests and static lighting mostly, and the only better thing is a bit crisper image, which is minimal

So, no, i am definatly not blind

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[QUOTE="skektek"]

Almost, the mountains and the water between them aren't part of the sky box.

skektek

Are you sure? I think that they might be, actually... I mean, why render them in real-time?

Yeah, you can see the water move and shimmer and the perspective of the mountain slopes change slightly as you move around.

They are most likely not rendered...it does not make much sense to do that since you cant go there,so why waste polygons on something that you can do to look the same but free?

[QUOTE="legolas95"]

I own both and Uncharted win by 5 miles instead of 1. Uncharted looks better period, you would have to be blind not to see that.

That said, Alan Wake still does have awesome graphics.

So, you see huge open spaces in U2 ? Or dynamic volumetric lighting ? Or maybe weather effects and wind affecting whole forests, or thick open forests with huge detailed foliage ?

Sorry, i am definatly not blind, and i dont see anything as impressive in U2, only tiny spaces, no forests and static lighting mostly, and the only better thing is a bit crisper image, which is minimal

So, no, i am definatly not blind

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

Are you sure? I think that they might be, actually... I mean, why render them in real-time?

Bus-A-Bus

Yeah, you can see the water move and shimmer and the perspective of the mountain slopes change slightly as you move around.

They are most likely not rendered...it does not make much sense to do that since you cant go there,so why waste polygons on something that you can do to look the same but free?

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

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[QUOTE="skektek"]

Yeah, you can see the water move and shimmer and the perspective of the mountain slopes change slightly as you move around.

shinrabanshou

They are most likely not rendered...it does not make much sense to do that since you cant go there,so why waste polygons on something that you can do to look the same but free?

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

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[QUOTE="legolas95"]

I own both and Uncharted win by 5 miles instead of 1. Uncharted looks better period, you would have to be blind not to see that.

That said, Alan Wake still does have awesome graphics.

clone01

So, you see huge open spaces in U2 ? Or dynamic volumetric lighting ? Or maybe weather effects and wind affecting whole forests, or thick open forests with huge detailed foliage ?

Sorry, i am definatly not blind, and i dont see anything as impressive in U2, only tiny spaces, no forests and static lighting mostly, and the only better thing is a bit crisper image, which is minimal

So, no, i am definatly not blind

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

They are most likely not rendered...it does not make much sense to do that since you cant go there,so why waste polygons on something that you can do to look the same but free?

Bus-A-Bus

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

Every game has to render everything that you can visit, so that seems rather moot, but as far as I'm aware you can't visit everything that's shown on the screen in AW either. Otherwise it would actually have some claim to being open world.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

So, you see huge open spaces in U2 ? Or dynamic volumetric lighting ? Or maybe weather effects and wind affecting whole forests, or thick open forests with huge detailed foliage ?

Sorry, i am definatly not blind, and i dont see anything as impressive in U2, only tiny spaces, no forests and static lighting mostly, and the only better thing is a bit crisper image, which is minimal

So, no, i am definatly not blind

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

Bus-A-Bus

Because of LOD, it's essentially the same thing anyway.

Objects in the far distance are replaced with 2D placeholders. Detail is added in as you approach the object.

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[QUOTE="skektek"]

Yeah, you can see the water move and shimmer and the perspective of the mountain slopes change slightly as you move around.

shinrabanshou

They are most likely not rendered...it does not make much sense to do that since you cant go there,so why waste polygons on something that you can do to look the same but free?

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

Here is the link for anyone who may need a refresh.

The water is definitely rendered as it is animated and the mountains look rendered as well, the last layer, the ones with the snow, may be part of the sky box.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Hmm, I had a check of chapter 6 via the magic of google and youtube, and I don't think the mountains are rendered. At the same time though I can't remember if you actually go to the buildings in that scene (earlier in the chapter maybe) and they're being rendered. I'm guessing if it improved the look slightly with no real compromise to anything else then why not?

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

shinrabanshou

Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

Every game has to render everything that you can visit, so that seems rather moot, but as far as I'm aware you can't visit everything that's shown on the screen in AW either. Otherwise it would actually have some claim to being open world.

No but in AW whole map is rendered,has to be because its how they made the game.You can get close to mountains and see that they are actually textured models and not 2d background,same goes for UC2 buildings.They could not made it 2d,it would be obvious and ugly but mountains they could since you cant really spot that.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Hmm, I had a check of chapter 6 via the magic of google and youtube, and I don't think the mountains are rendered. At the same time though I can't remember if you actually go to the buildings in that scene (earlier in the chapter maybe) and they're being rendered. I'm guessing if it improved the look slightly with no real compromise to anything else then why not?

Likewise in Alan Wake objects/backdrops are being rendered that are superfluous to the actual gameplay.

shinrabanshou

Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

Every game has to render everything that you can visit, so that seems rather moot, but as far as I'm aware you can't visit everything that's shown on the screen in AW either. Otherwise it would actually have some claim to being open world.

But you can visit a vastly bigger open space than in U2, that is the point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DcODYTSuc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_i5IFpLIv0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq92xgAmsOs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxSDJufe7LQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-w4mniMjU&feature=related

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Alan Wake AFAIK MUST render everything since you can visit those places,UC2 does not have to and it would be waste of resources and devs stupidity to do that.Anyway,those UC2 mountains are not actual "models".

Bus-A-Bus

Every game has to render everything that you can visit, so that seems rather moot, but as far as I'm aware you can't visit everything that's shown on the screen in AW either. Otherwise it would actually have some claim to being open world.

No but in AW whole map is rendered,has to be because its how they made the game.You can get close to mountains and see that they are actually textured models and not 2d background,same goes for UC2 buildings.They could not made it 2d,it would be obvious and ugly but mountains they could since you cant really spot that.

Seriously seekar you claimed that the Uncharted 2 shots are bullshots b/c they don't have a hub. That proves to me that you have never played Uncharted 2 bc the hud isn't omnipresent, it only shows up when you shoot, aim, or change weapons. If you are just standing there then the game has no hud.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

Ok, lets make this easier, i dont own any console or games and i generally dont game at all

I just happened to find this forum by total accident (was searching for grey bearspot actually) and i got interested in the silent war here

Truth is, i did not know what the word "game" was until after i spent 1 month here

Happy now, at last, you got me admit everything

Seriously seekar you claimed that the Uncharted 2 shots are bullshots b/c they don't have a hub. That proves to me that you have never played Uncharted 2 bc the hud isn't omnipresent, it only shows up when you shoot, aim, or change weapons. If you are just standing there then the game has no hud.

jyoung312

Look at them jaggies in the UC2 screen, yep, the game looks exactly like that and not the dumb bullshots that people spam on that game.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

So, you see huge open spaces in U2 ? Or dynamic volumetric lighting ? Or maybe weather effects and wind affecting whole forests, or thick open forests with huge detailed foliage ?

Sorry, i am definatly not blind, and i dont see anything as impressive in U2, only tiny spaces, no forests and static lighting mostly, and the only better thing is a bit crisper image, which is minimal

So, no, i am definatly not blind

theseekar

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

Seriously seekar you claimed that the Uncharted 2 shots are bullshots b/c they don't have a hub. That proves to me that you have never played Uncharted 2 bc the hud isn't omnipresent, it only shows up when you shoot, aim, or change weapons. If you are just standing there then the game has no hud.

jyoung312

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[QUOTE="clone01"] so what trophies have you acquired in UC2?Zero_epyon

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

Don't bother. He is banned, lol. I am sure he will be back under a new name by the time Fable III rolls around.

Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

Bus-A-Bus

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Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

mitu123

Its effect called posting bullshots and then believing that the game looks like that even though it does not.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

I dont even know, i guess some appeared here and there, i dont hunt for trophies or achievements

ironcreed

Don't bother. He is banned, lol. I am sure he will be back under a new name by the time Fable III rolls around.

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Theseeker,Rusaki posts direct feed shots taken with capture card.They are straight from frame buffer meaning this is what PS3 outputs on TV,here are other shots.

Bus-A-Bus

Its effect called posting bullshots and then believing that the game looks like that even though it does not.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] Going by these screens, how in the hell does ANYONE pic this game over Crysis in graphics, that just blows my mind.

mitu123

Its effect called posting bullshots and then believing that the game looks like that even though it does not.

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] Going by these screens, how in the hell does ANYONE pic this game over Crysis in graphics, that just blows my mind.

mitu123

Its effect called posting bullshots and then believing that the game looks like that even though it does not.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Its effect called posting bullshots and then believing that the game looks like that even though it does not.

Bus-A-Bus

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

Seems like Sao- I mean theseekar finally got himself banned.... http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/index.php?user=theseekarSollet

:lol:

If only Gamespot would look closer to the guy called persisten... :D

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[QUOTE="mitu123"] What's funnier is that the Uncharted 2 bullshots don't even look better than Crysis unmodded:lol:, modded Crysis destroys it more too.

chaplainDMK

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] What's funnier is that the Uncharted 2 bullshots don't even look better than Crysis unmodded:lol:, modded Crysis destroys it more too.

chaplainDMK

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

Oh yes,on GTTV,probably console version...

You will be able to play it,no doubt.It is much more optimized this time around :)

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Seems like Sao- I mean theseekar finally got himself banned.... Bus-A-Bus

:lol:

If only Gamespot would look closer to the guy called persisten... :D

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Seems like Sao- I mean theseekar finally got himself banned.... Sollet

:lol:

If only Gamespot would look closer to the guy called persisten... :D

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

Sollet

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

Naw...its most definitely console version.They are only showing 360 version and i dont see that stoping,plus GT is console site,mostly...

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

:lol:

If only Gamespot would look closer to the guy called persisten... :D

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Tell me...

And its 3 yrs old... :lol: Cant WAIT to see Crysis 2 gameplay tomorrow :D

Bus-A-Bus

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

Oh yes,on GTTV,probably console version...

You will be able to play it,no doubt.It is much more optimized this time around :)

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

:lol:

If only Gamespot would look closer to the guy called persisten... :D

Sollet

Im lvl 1???WTF?? :lol:

And i have been really suspicious since Zero had 2k posts but was lvl 1 :)

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Tommorow? Niiice :D
I'm finaly getting some extra RAM and formatting my toxic virus dump of a computer, maybe I'll finaly be able to play Crysis 1 at more then 20 FPS :D

Sollet

Oh yes,on GTTV,probably console version...

You will be able to play it,no doubt.It is much more optimized this time around :)

Probably cus some people would not buy their version :) To me,i would like console version.Just to see how are they doin with consoles,im buyin new PC on summer so ill be ready for it,i know it is going to look superb on PC :)

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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Oh yes,on GTTV,probably console version...

You will be able to play it,no doubt.It is much more optimized this time around :)

Probably cus some people would not buy their version :) To me,i would like console version.Just to see how are they doin with consoles,im buyin new PC on summer so ill be ready for it,i know it is going to look superb on PC :)

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[QUOTE="Sollet"] You positive it's the console version? Damn why ain't they showing PC :

Sollet

Probably cus some people would not buy their version :) To me,i would like console version.Just to see how are they doin with consoles,im buyin new PC on summer so ill be ready for it,i know it is going to look superb on PC :)

I track Crysis 2 much and i heard that they are not showing PC version until later in summer...could be wrong though...

Seems like Sao- I mean theseekar finally got himself banned.... http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/index.php?user=theseekarSollet

How the hell am I 1st level??? :? I was 15 today :lol:

How the hell am I 1st level??? :? I was 15 today :lol:

Bus-A-Bus