The thing I dislike about PC gaming

It's too expensive. Sure, it can be quite inexpensive if you're not demanding, but if you want to play all games "the way it's ment to be played" on a regular basis, it can be really expensive. Also, I miss certain big multiplatform console exclusives. I understand Nintendo and Sony don't want to port their games over to the PC, but I'm not so understandable about Microsoft. If they really cared about PC gaming, they wouldn't make games like Alan Wake 360 exclusive. But that's another story, of course.

It's too expensive. Sure, it can be quite inexpensive if you're not demanding, but if you want to play all games "the way it's ment to be played" on a regular basis, it can be really expensive. Also, I miss certain big multiplatform console exclusives. I understand Nintendo and Sony don't want to port their games over to the PC, but I'm not so understandable about Microsoft. If they really cared about PC gaming, they wouldn't make games like Alan Wake 360 exclusive. But that's another story, of course.

nameless12345

1. You get what you pay for.

2. Get a job.

It's too expensive. Sure, it can be quite inexpensive if you're not demanding, but if you want to play all games "the way it's ment to be played" on a regular basis, it can be really expensive. Also, I miss certain big multiplatform console exclusives. I understand Nintendo and Sony don't want to port their games over to the PC, but I'm not so understandable about Microsoft. If they really cared about PC gaming, they wouldn't make games like Alan Wake 360 exclusive. But that's another story, of course.

nameless12345

It's expensive yes and no... If you want to play all your games a maximum settings then yes, it could be.

But at the point where I am, I only upgrade parts, which cut the cost by alot. Buying a whole new system is finish for me.

Console are also expensive is you want to play " the way it's meant to be played"... so I'm not sure about your argument.

MS doesn't care about PC gaming because it's not for "casuals"

If you consider two to five years a "regular basis", then you're first point is correct.

Most multiplatform games are on PCs too.

Missing exclusives can be said about any console that you don't own; there are even some Xbox 'exclusives' that the PC shares with just it.

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I agree with you TC. Cost is probably the biggest issue preventing me from purchasing a gaming PC. While I would like to devote more of my time and money to gaming, circumstances are such that I simply can't do that. I might invest in one later down the road.

If you want to play ANY game with max graphics then you need to have a high end PC anyways. And i have a 3 year old PC which was mid-range when i got it and i still max nearly every game. Honestly, i switched to PC gaming because it was less expensive for me. I save up for a single large investment, then spend almost nothing for the next 5-6 years because games are so much cheaper.

everyone knows that.... games are first developed on the PC.

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It's too expensive. Sure, it can be quite inexpensive if you're not demanding, but if you want to play all games "the way it's ment to be played" on a regular basis, it can be really expensive. Also, I miss certain big multiplatform console exclusives. I understand Nintendo and Sony don't want to port their games over to the PC, but I'm not so understandable about Microsoft. If they really cared about PC gaming, they wouldn't make games like Alan Wake 360 exclusive. But that's another story, of course.

Eggimannd

1. You get what you pay for.

2. Get a job.

1. Any PC can be a gaming PC. You don't need to play "all" games "the way they are meant to be played." You are really going to buy every game available for the platform?
2. The PC has more multiplatform and exclusive games than any console... and many multiplatform games are the best available versions. Proof.
3. A PC can cost as however much you want it to. Any 5 year old computer can be turned into a formidable gaming rig with little more than $200-300 (and many are already capable of playing hundreds of games without any upgrades).
4. A PC does far more than just gaming... which you should consider if you want to spend more than $500 on a new one. There is word processing, internet surfing, image editing, music playing, instant messaging, cd/dvd burning, movie watching and almost any other computerized task you can think of... and unlike consoles, you can do it all at once.
5. Most PC games cost $50 and go down in price extremely quickly. While console games start at $60 and go down slower (Nintendo games start at $50 and never go down). On top of that, places like Steam offer pre-order discounts (25-33% off) and huge sales throughout the year (25-75% off).
   
   Don't downplay the PC because you don't understand how cheap it really can be, and how much more than consoles it offers (in terms of games and features). Alan Wake became a 360-only game because MS wanted more exclusives for their console platform; they have no influence or control of the PC platform. Sony is actually looking into putting games onto PC, and are already quite a large developer/publisher of games on PC (especially MMO's).

but if you want to play all games "the way it's ment to be played" on a regular basis, it can be really expensive

nameless12345

You mean like we play thousands of hours out of a game that on consoles wouldn't last more than 10?

1) Any PC can be a gaming PC. You don't need to play "all" games "the way they are meant to be played."
2) The PC has more multiplatform and exclusive games than any console... and many multiplatform games are the best available versions.
3) A PC can cost as however much you want it to. Any 5 year old computer can be turned into a formidable gaming rig with little more than $200-300.
4) A PC does far more than just gaming... which you should consider if you want to spend more than $500 on a new one. There is word processing, internet surfing, image editing, music playing, instant messaging, cd/dvd burning, movie watching and almost any other computerized task you can think of... and unlike consoles, you can do it all at once.

Don't downplay the PC because you don't understand how cheap it really can be, and how much more than consoles it offers (in terms of games and features). Alan Wake became a 360-only game because MS wanted more exclusives for their console platform; they have no influence or control of the PC platform. Sony is actually looking into putting games onto PC, and are already quite a large developer/publisher of games on PC (especially MMO's).

foxhound_fox

Oh, I forgot about compatibility issues and seeking the right graphical settings and the need to install basically everything. That annoys me too.

This is not even worth debating. It has been proven by many PC gamers here before PC gaming is in fact not as expensive as some of you console players make it out to be. Maybe you are doing it to justify purchasing a console, who knows. PC gaming can get really expensive that is a fact, but do you need an expensive computer to top consoles? HELL NO!millerlight89

Who is saying anything about consoles? ;)

Oh, I forgot about compatibility issues and seeking the right graphical settings and the need to install basically everything. That annoys me too.

nameless12345

How about BACKWARDS compatibility?

Oh, I forgot about compatibility issues and seeking the right graphical settings and the need to install basically everything. That annoys me too.

nameless12345

I prefer install, I mean, Steam FTW.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]This is not even worth debating. It has been proven by many PC gamers here before PC gaming is in fact not as expensive as some of you console players make it out to be. Maybe you are doing it to justify purchasing a console, who knows. PC gaming can get really expensive that is a fact, but do you need an expensive computer to top consoles? HELL NO!nameless12345

Who is saying anything about consoles? ;)

"The way it's meant to be played" on PC (1080p, 60 fps, High-Max) > "the way it's meant to be played" on console (720p, 30 fps, Med). The expense is justified, for those who can reasonably afford it.GhoX

For the PC, I go with the least common denominator which is 720p and 30 fps. Of course at that res, it really is 720p and not just upscaled. Plus all details can be bumped up to high.

[QUOTE="GhoX"]"The way it's meant to be played" on PC (1080p, 60 fps, High-Max) > "the way it's meant to be played" on console (720p, 30 fps, Med). The expense is justified, for those who can reasonably afford it.jun_aka_pekto

For the PC, I go with the least common denominator which is 720p and 30 fps. Of course at that res, it really is 720p and not just upscaled. Plus all details can be bumped up to high.

What i hate, is how games are becoming so needy these days. A Computer you got, say maybe a year and half ago wouldnt be able to handle Call of duty modern warfare 2. Pathetic.

I Really also want to play battlefield 2, but it says 'Please insert the installation disk and try again' WHY ALL THE FRIGGEN ERRORS!???? BEFORE YOU MAKE A GAME! MAKE SURE IT WORKS!!!!!

This didnt help did it....

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Oh, I forgot about compatibility issues and seeking the right graphical settings and the need to install basically everything. That annoys me too.

Mograine

How about BACKWARDS compatibility?

You need an emulator for the really old PC games to even run on modern PCs. Not to mention I can't get Doom 3 to run on Windows 7.

Another truth is that on the PC every graphically promising game is causing questions how it will run before it's released. And as far as I remember not even the best rigs could run Crysis maxed out in high-res with some AA and AF on when it came out. Sad but true :P

PC gaming is either very expensive or not worth it depending on how much you enjoy indie games and Blizzard. if you don't pay for a high end PC the graphical advantage is either negligible or worse than on consoles (depending on how cheap your rig is) while shelling out for one means $900 or more for being on top of recent games for the next 2-3 years. Of course its definitely one hell of an advantage, especially with the mods of already graphically great games.

What i hate, is how games are becoming so needy these days. A Computer you got, say maybe a year and half ago wouldnt be able to handle Call of duty modern warfare 2. Pathetic.

I Really also want to play battlefield 2, but it says 'Please insert the installation disk and try again' WHY ALL THE FRIGGEN ERRORS!???? BEFORE YOU MAKE A GAME! MAKE SURE IT WORKS!!!!!

This didnt help did it....

Saberhearts

What i hate, is how games are becoming so needy these days. A Computer you got, say maybe a year and half ago wouldnt be able to handle Call of duty modern warfare 2. Pathetic.

Saberhearts

BS. Modern Warfare 2 has a single core and a 6600GT as minimum specs, both 5+ years old hardware.

What i hate, is how games are becoming so needy these days. A Computer you got, say maybe a year and half ago wouldnt be able to handle Call of duty modern warfare 2. Pathetic.

I Really also want to play battlefield 2, but it says 'Please insert the installation disk and try again' WHY ALL THE FRIGGEN ERRORS!???? BEFORE YOU MAKE A GAME! MAKE SURE IT WORKS!!!!!

This didnt help did it....

Saberhearts

BF2 does work... your DVD is probably scrathed to death.

What i hate, is how games are becoming so needy these days. A Computer you got, say maybe a year and half ago wouldnt be able to handle Call of duty modern warfare 2. Pathetic.

I Really also want to play battlefield 2, but it says 'Please insert the installation disk and try again' WHY ALL THE FRIGGEN ERRORS!???? BEFORE YOU MAKE A GAME! MAKE SURE IT WORKS!!!!!

This didnt help did it....

Saberhearts

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Oh, I forgot about compatibility issues and seeking the right graphical settings and the need to install basically everything. That annoys me too.

nameless12345

How about BACKWARDS compatibility?

You need an emulator for the really old PC games to even run on modern PCs. Not to mention I can't get Doom 3 to run on Windows 7.

Another truth is that on the PC every graphically promising game is causing questions how it will run before it's released. And as far as I remember not even the best rigs could run Crysis maxed out in high-res with some AA and AF on when it came out. Sad but true :P

I can't even play previous generation games on my PS3 slim...

You need an emulator for the really old PC games to even run on modern PCs.

nameless12345

So what?

Not to mention I can't get Doom 3 to run on Windows 7.

nameless12345

Keyword "I".

Another truth is that on the PC every graphically promising game is causing questions how it will run before it's released. And as far as I remember not even the best rigs could run Crysis maxed out in high-res with some AA and AF on when it came out. Sad but true :P

nameless12345

Future proofing, genius. Sad but true.

Please further explain number 2; There are also alot of multiplats not on pc; Soul Calibur is one of them.kong_sevixnine

So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :P

Backwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.

This is for the "I can't get really old stuff to work" people.

Nearly everything else is possible to run in W7.

He's back from suspension and the first thing he does is create another generic PC sucks thread. :roll:

So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :P

nameless12345

Again. So what?

Backwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.

nameless12345

Yes, for YOU.

So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :P

Backwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.

nameless12345

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So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :P

Backwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.

millerlight89

It's why Gametrailers didn't deem Crysis with best graphics despite looking better than the rest even when it wasn't maxed out.

This is for the "I can't get really old stuff to work" people.

Nearly everything else is possible to run in W7.

Filthybastrd

See, you need to bother with emulators, custom configs and a whole lot of simmilar trash to get your older games working on modern PCs ;)

And I didn't know that "I dislike" translates into "PC sucks". Maybe some of your should check the meanings of words? :P

See, you need to bother with emulators, custom configs and a whole lot of simmilar trash to get your older games working on modern PCs ;)

nameless12345

At least you do get backwards compatibility. Unlike consoles, where the only thing you can do is suck it up.

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So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :P

Backwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.

millerlight89

See, PC gaming is too expensive if you intend to max out everything. Thanks for proving my point :P

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"] href="http://www.dosbox.com/">This is for the "I can't get really old stuff to work" people.Nearly everything else is possible to run in W7.nameless12345

See, PC gaming is too expensive if you intend to max out everything. Thanks for proving my point :P

nameless12345

Ehm.

I thought this was common knowledge? Or, more than common knowledge, one of the absolute laws of how the world works?

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

See, you need to bother with emulators, custom configs and a whole lot of simmilar trash to get your older games working on modern PCs ;)

Mograine

At least you do get backwards compatibility. Unlike consoles, where the only thing you can do is suck it up.

I don't follow, sorry. The Wii is 100% backwards compatible with GC, has a increasing library of older Nintendo and non-Nintendo games (many of which you can't play legaly on the PC), the 360 has limited Xbox support and the PS3 plays PS One games (and in rare cases PS2 games). So no, they don't just "suck it up".

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See, PC gaming is too expensive if you intend to max out everything. Thanks for proving my point :P

Mograine

Ehm.

I thought this was common knowledge? Or, more than common knowledge, one of the absolute laws of how the world works?

It's not "too expensive". You want the best graphics there is? You're gonna pay for it. Just because you can't afford it or have other needs doesn't make it "too expensive".

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]So what if it had the best tech? It took, like two generations? of graphics cards for it to become playlable on max setting in high-res with AA and AF on decent settings :PBackwards problems are also not limited to Doom 3.nameless12345

I don't follow, sorry. The Wii is 100% backwards compatible with GC, has a increasing library of older Nintendo and non-Nintendo games (many of which you can't play legaly on the PC), the 360 has limited Xbox support and the PS3 plays PS One games (and in rare cases PS2 games). So no, they don't just "suck it up".

nameless12345

You're talking about compatibility issues.

On consoles, you suck it up. There's nothing you can do.

On PC, emulators can aid you to get them working if they don't natively.

It's not hard.