The PC's greatest weakness?

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]PC's greatest weakness = Its own fanbase who is tryng to kill their platform of choice via pirating softwareJade_Monkey

It's splitting hairs but I wouldn't call pirates part of our fanbase. How can you call someone who doesn't really care about the health of the gaming industry a fan of PC games let alone gaming as a whole.

Because they like PC games. That's all it really takes. People who pirate music can still be fans of a musician or singer. What would you call a person who had all of, say, Elvis's music? An Elvis fan. Doesn't matter how that person gets the music.

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]As far as I can tell, piracy addresses the issue of number of copies licensed to consumers. If n copies of the game are manufactured and sold, then exactly n consumers have exclusive rights to those copies (assuming no one splits the bill). Transferring a copy without duplicating it keeps the number of legitimate, distributed copies constant (i.e. the number n is a constant). This is not piracy. It is borrowing, just like with anything else.

dc337

Do you actually dispute anything I said?

[QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"]

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]PC's greatest weakness = Its own fanbase who is tryng to kill their platform of choice via pirating softwareAngry_Beaver

It's splitting hairs but I wouldn't call pirates part of our fanbase. How can you call someone who doesn't really care about the health of the gaming industry a fan of PC games let alone gaming as a whole.

Because they like PC games. That's all it really takes. People who pirate music can still be fans of a musician or singer. What would you call a person who had all of, say, Elvis's music? An Elvis fan. Doesn't matter how that person gets the music.

i see what your seeing, it is just that I don't like to count pirates as real gamers, let alone human beings worthy of oxygen. I would rather they not have any signifigance to gaming.

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"][QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"]

It's splitting hairs but I wouldn't call pirates part of our fanbase. How can you call someone who doesn't really care about the health of the gaming industry a fan of PC games let alone gaming as a whole.

Jade_Monkey

Because they like PC games. That's all it really takes. People who pirate music can still be fans of a musician or singer. What would you call a person who had all of, say, Elvis's music? An Elvis fan. Doesn't matter how that person gets the music.

i see what your seeing, it is just that I don't like to count pirates as real gamers, let alone human beings worthy of oxygen. I would rather they not have any signifigance to gaming.

I can understand where you're coming from, but redefining words isn't the proper way to express such feelings.

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]PC's greatest weakness = Its own fanbase who is tryng to kill their platform of choice via pirating softwareJade_Monkey

It's splitting hairs but I wouldn't call pirates part of our fanbase. How can you call someone who doesn't really care about the health of the gaming industry a fan of PC games let alone gaming as a whole.

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]As far as I can tell, piracy addresses the issue of number of copies licensed to consumers. If n copies of the game are manufactured and sold, then exactly n consumers have exclusive rights to those copies (assuming no one splits the bill). Transferring a copy without duplicating it keeps the number of legitimate, distributed copies constant (i.e. the number n is a constant). This is not piracy. It is borrowing, just like with anything else.

dc337

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Honestly I dont see the hoo haa around hardware nowadays.

Really now, even low end PC gaming hardware runs nearly every game at great settings..... My system, which is hardly anything to tout runs every game great, at native resolution - the only one that pushes my computer to its limits; is well of course Crysis at its peak visual settings.

Otherwise my system, that I overhauled over 14 months ago, for roughly the price of a PS3 here runs games great, and offers all the benifits of being a computer.

Even with all the new tech out now, or on the horizon, i dont feel the least bit compelled to upgrade at all.... Hardware is on a totally different level than the software being produced. Its a great time to be gaming on the PC in this regard.

ZIMdoom

You have just seen why not having a set standard makes PC arguements difficult for everyone. Hermits want to keep touting Crysis as reason why console gamers shouldn't talk about graphics. Browse any thread here comparing PS3 vs 360 graphics and inevitably hermits will come in with "Crysis is way better looking, so console gamers shouldn't talk". Okay, fine. Everyone agrees Crysis looks awesome. However, then hermits want to turn around and argue that it costs $300 to build an awesome gaming rig. But that same rig won't run Crysis on settings that would jusitfy the graphics arguement.

This is why the debate will never end. Every PC gamers experience is different, but they want to act like it is shared by everyone with a PC in their house. It isn't.

[QUOTE="dc337"][QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]As far as I can tell, piracy addresses the issue of number of copies licensed to consumers. If n copies of the game are manufactured and sold, then exactly n consumers have exclusive rights to those copies (assuming no one splits the bill). Transferring a copy without duplicating it keeps the number of legitimate, distributed copies constant (i.e. the number n is a constant). This is not piracy. It is borrowing, just like with anything else.

xsubtownerx

I think you might be a ninja.

But seriously, I hope you were kidding there. If not, there's a serious lack of comprehension going on. Lending or selling a game to someone else can't be considered pirating unless the same is true of any other product. The distinction must lie elsewhere, and where it lies is in the number of copies of the game the company has licensed to consumers. I'll put it this way: duplicating a game is increasing the number of copies of it without the company knowing, thus the company has not licensed that extra copy. Also, copyrights explicitly forbid copying, anyway.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="dc337"] Borrowing implies consent. When you borrow a couch you are getting permission to do it. When you pirate you are taking intellectual property without permission. You are taking the work of others without paying for it. It isn't borrowing, it's theft. Angry_Beaver

I think you might be a ninja.

But seriously, I hope you were kidding there. If not, there's a serious lack of comprehension going on. Lending or selling a game to someone else can't be considered pirating unless the same is true of any other product. The distinction must lie elsewhere, and where it lies is in the number of copies of the game the company has licensed to consumers. I'll put it this way: duplicating a game is increasing the number of copies of it without the company knowing, thus the company has not licensed that extra copy. Also, copyrights explicitly forbid copying, anyway.

I voted for the last one because you really have to know what you are doing, and in fact it influences the impact of the two above it.

Another thing that isn't on your list that is the fact that PC gaming is full of SOB's that:

- Pirate Games.

- Think that online gaming is magically free and will never spend a penny to rent or support a server.