The Main Reason why Tomb Raider is not going on WiiU.

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What a crock of sh!t

Maybe porting the game to Wii U isn't as easy as some of you derp derps who suddenly and magically seem to have first hand knowledge about game development on this scale really entails.

The the ps360 version of Batman AC had already been out for a year when the WiiU version came out and it still had problems. Even with all that extra time to optimize.

Maybe unfasten yourself from Nintendo's nutsack long enough to realize that Ninteno shipped the WiiU with low end hardware so they could have that expensive gimick controller without taking any loss.

We should even be having this dicussion right now, when GPU's from 2008 could already play 360 ports at 2-3x the resolution and framerate yet a console from the end of 2012 struggles to manage a 1:1 conversion? Stop drinking the koolaid and use whatever's left of your feeble brain.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Let's be honest here, they're not making Tomb Raider for the Wii U because finanically it wouldn't benefit the company.

fernandmondego_

So more sales = no financial benefit?

If you say so...

I don't think this is the issue here, given cost of porting courtesy of Ubisoft.

It's more the fact that they could use those resources in more benefitial ways. Instead of a potential profit worth 10k copies sold at full price, they could use those employees to polish the main game more or w/e.

We're talking about selling maybe 50k copies on WiiU, where the break even point is 40k maybe, vs millions on other platforms combined.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Randy Pitchford said something similar about not porting Borderlands 2 to the Wii U. Devs don't want to put extra effort into a platform where it's going to get the least amount of sales. Nintendo better hope Sony or MS have a touchscreen controller as well, otherwise the only games that will make good use of the Wii U tablet will be Nintendo's first party games.FireEmblem_Man

I won't be surprised if Sony copies Nintendo, after all they do have a history of copying ideas with their own technology.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

Conspiracy theory: Western Third Parties aways have a stigma with Nintendo since the Launch of the NES

MrYaotubo

Nothing has changed really, western games were shovelware back then and now mainstream garbage in the michael bay sense.

gogo indie devs

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]Are you a game designer?OhSnapitz

What are you implying?

Crystal Dynamics said that they wanted to do something a bit more with the WiiU's controller than what the other systems are offering, so no Tomb Raider (even though, the WiiU has a Pro Controller that can do everything a 360 controller can do.)

It's just as blantant BS as Capcom saying Revelations can't work on Vita because of Screen Resolutions.

Would you have gotten WiiU version of GTA V, Tomb Raider, etc. even if it did get perfect ports?

Nope. PS3 or 360 is your ecosystem of achievements, friends, etc. It's Steam in my case. It's nice that WiiU gets all kinds of indie games like The Cave... but I will get it for Steam instead, I don't do "gotta support X platform"

You buy a WiiU for its exclusives. When depends on its value in your eyes. For instance I got a PS3 Slim for $300 "just" for MGS4, that was my value limit. I got a WiiU day 1 cus of Nintendo Land, now it's sitting there collecting dust until the next wave of exclusives.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

What are you implying?

Crystal Dynamics said that they wanted to do something a bit more with the WiiU's controller than what the other systems are offering, so no Tomb Raider (even though, the WiiU has a Pro Controller that can do everything a 360 controller can do.)

It's just as blantant BS as Capcom saying Revelations can't work on Vita because of Screen Resolutions.

SuperFlakeman

Would you have gotten WiiU version of GTA V, Tomb Raider, etc. even if it did get perfect ports?

Nope. PS3 or 360 is your ecosystem of achievements, friends, etc. It's Steam in my case. It's nice that WiiU gets all kinds of indie games like The Cave... but I will get it for Steam instead, I don't do "gotta support X platform"

You buy a WiiU for its exclusives. When depends on its value in your eyes. For instance I got a PS3 Slim for $300 "just" for MGS4, that was my value limit. I got a WiiU day 1 cus of Nintendo Land, now it's sitting there collecting dust until the next wave of exclusives.

It's not just that *insert platform* has exclusives/multiplats.. It's that *insert platform* has potential... And I don't see it with the Wii-U. If those games you mentioned were coming out for the Wii-U.. I (and others) would consider the platform simply because GTA 6, Resident Evil 7, and Tomb Raider "Reboot" II would be sure bet. As it stands I can't see companies all of a sudden jumping aboard with the PS4/720 looming. Ninty better pray M$/Sony has some sort of touch screen controllers. OhSnapitz

I will say that Sony has a high chance following Nintendo's strategy, just look at the PS Move. I won't be surprised if they made their own tablet controller. Also Microsoft has smart glass and the Surface (and other Windows based tablets) could also be a controller too for the next xbox. Ever since Wii became a sales juggernaut, Microsoft and Sony will follow Nintendo to capture the install base

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] It's not just that *insert platform* has exclusives/multiplats.. It's that *insert platform* has potential... And I don't see it with the Wii-U. If those games you mentioned were coming out for the Wii-U.. I (and others) would consider the platform simply because GTA 6, Resident Evil 7, and Tomb Raider "Reboot" II would be sure bet. As it stands I can't see companies all of a sudden jumping aboard with the PS4/720 looming. Ninty better pray M$/Sony has some sort of touch screen controllers. FireEmblem_Man

I will say that Sony has a high chance following Nintendo's strategy, just look at the PS Move. I won't be surprised if they made their own tablet controller. Also Microsoft has smart glass and the Surface (and other Windows based tablets) could also be a controller too for the next xbox. Ever since Wii became a sales juggernaut, Microsoft and Sony will follow Nintendo to capture the install base

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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Great point.. and this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why I'm not sold on the WiiU. 3rd party devs are going out of their way to not make games for Ninty's new platform. So what exactly will the future hold once the 720/PS4 are released? :|OhSnapitz

Would you have gotten WiiU version of GTA V, Tomb Raider, etc. even if it did get perfect ports?

Nope. PS3 or 360 is your ecosystem of achievements, friends, etc. It's Steam in my case. It's nice that WiiU gets all kinds of indie games like The Cave... but I will get it for Steam instead, I don't do "gotta support X platform"

You buy a WiiU for its exclusives. When depends on its value in your eyes. For instance I got a PS3 Slim for $300 "just" for MGS4, that was my value limit. I got a WiiU day 1 cus of Nintendo Land, now it's sitting there collecting dust until the next wave of exclusives.

Ok, but why? Would you seriously consider getting the WiiU version of their sequels, when factoring in such things as Nintendo's online, no achievement system, all your friends are on another place, Xbox always having the best version. Not to mention hardware power.

Why is the multiplatform state of WiiU even a consideration for you? I don't get it.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Yoshi, Kirby, F-Zero, Smash; they are all safe bets regardless, and this is the only thing that should be on your mind.

I.e. do I want 3D Mario badly, is is worth putting down $300 for the system just for this game? Hmm, do I like Smash/Zelda etc. enough to care? Does that (magnificent) Project X trailer excite me? These are the kinds of questions relevant for WiiU, not whether Lara Croft will make a visit.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Would you have gotten WiiU version of GTA V, Tomb Raider, etc. even if it did get perfect ports?

Nope. PS3 or 360 is your ecosystem of achievements, friends, etc. It's Steam in my case. It's nice that WiiU gets all kinds of indie games like The Cave... but I will get it for Steam instead, I don't do "gotta support X platform"

You buy a WiiU for its exclusives. When depends on its value in your eyes. For instance I got a PS3 Slim for $300 "just" for MGS4, that was my value limit. I got a WiiU day 1 cus of Nintendo Land, now it's sitting there collecting dust until the next wave of exclusives.

SuperFlakeman

Ok, but why? Would you seriously consider getting the WiiU version of their sequels, when factoring in such things as Nintendo's online, no achievement system, all your friends are on another place, Xbox always having the best version. Not to mention hardware power.

Why is the multiplatform state of WiiU even a consideration for you? I don't get it.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Yoshi, Kirby, F-Zero, Smash; they are all safe bets regardless, and this is the only thing that should be on your mind.

I.e. do I want 3D Mario badly, is is worth putting down $300 for the system just for this game? Hmm, do I like Smash/Zelda etc. enough to care? Does that (magnificent) Project X trailer excite me? These are the kinds of questions relevant for WiiU, not whether Lara Croft will make a visit.

Family Friendly image Nintendo is ... Tomb Raider featuring a young girl attempted to get raped n blowing the dudes brains in ... Don't think Nintendo wants it or the company wants it on a console that has a proven track record of not buying mature games ... Or Any 3rd Party games for that matter

ebrezzy1

Maybe porting the game to Wii U isn't as easy as some of you derp derps who suddenly and magically seem to have first hand knowledge about game development on this scale really entails.

The the ps360 version of Batman AC had already been out for a year when the WiiU version came out and it still had problems. Even with all that extra time to optimize.

Maybe unfasten yourself from Nintendo's nutsack long enough to realize that Ninteno shipped the WiiU with low end hardware so they could have that expensive gimick controller without taking any loss.

We should even be having this dicussion right now, when GPU's from 2008 could already play 360 ports at 2-3x the resolution and framerate yet a console from the end of 2012 struggles to manage a 1:1 conversion? Stop drinking the koolaid and use whatever's left of your feeble brain.

Pray_to_me

Actually info from a dev released awhile ago mentiioned how a game he was porting still managed to look decent on te WiiU.

Probably a good call, it doesn't have mario or zelda in the title so wouldn't sell.RR360DD

I hate stereotypes.

so they didnt want to spend the extra time on wiiU and then going through the trouble of calling it the best version?

porbably would have pssd off all the 360/ps3 consumers and boycott their game.

so they didnt want to spend the extra time on wiiU and then going through the trouble of calling it the best version?

porbably would have pssd off all the 360/ps3 consumers and boycott their game.

KBFloYd

Why would that piss off 360 and PS3 owners? I don't remember seeing 360 and PS3 owners boycotting Black Ops II or Assassin's Creed III when those games got ported to the Wii U. And why are you assuming the Wii U would get the best version of Tomb Raider?

Especially if all the versions came out at the same time?

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

so they didnt want to spend the extra time on wiiU and then going through the trouble of calling it the best version?

porbably would have pssd off all the 360/ps3 consumers and boycott their game.

caryslan2

Why would that piss off 360 and PS3 owners? I don't remember seeing 360 and PS3 owners boycotting Black Ops II or Assassin's Creed III when those games got ported to the Wii U. And why are you assuming the Wii U would get the best version of Tomb Raider?

Especially if all the versions came out at the same time?

tomb raider is already a bit of a joke to those "hardcore" ps3/360 gamers....making a wiiU version with "enhanced" gamepad controls would mean even less sales on said systems...

wiiU would get the best version because 1. the hardware can do it...and 2 the gamepad is going to be advertised as a plus not a minus..

Randy Pitchford said something similar about not porting Borderlands 2 to the Wii U. Devs don't want to put extra effort into a platform where it's going to get the least amount of sales. Nintendo better hope Sony or MS have a touchscreen controller as well, otherwise the only games that will make good use of the Wii U tablet will be Nintendo's first party games.BPoole96

Yea but sales aren't really the problem for Randy. Hell, he really wants Borderlands 2 ported to the Vita, but since Gearbox wants to pull forward with BL2 DLC and other projects, he said Sony has to step forward and find someone to port it if they want it to happen.

[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

Family Friendly image Nintendo is ... Tomb Raider featuring a young girl attempted to get raped n blowing the dudes brains in ... Don't think Nintendo wants it or the company wants it on a console that has a proven track record of not buying mature games ... Or Any 3rd Party games for that matter

OreoMilkshake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2QAuSJJHI

Nintendo won't have violent games, eh?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

thats just been 1upped

congrats

nintendoboy16

Nope, not at all.

:roll:

you know the first one didn't have blood for the last good nintendo console ... you had to enter a cheat code ... while the sega verison did ... that is what very first started nintendo is a kiddy console

again nintendo is a family friendly console and known as kidtendo and other such terms ... people go alll the way back to the gamecube or then snes ... to pick out games ... theres a reason why nintendo consoles haven't gotten third party support since the snes ... nintendo gamers don't buy them ... i don't know why people don't understand that

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, man. It's not like Nintendo went out of the way to get Bayonetta 2 on the Wii-U, or Resident Evil 4 was one of the best-selling games on the Gamecube, or anything like that. Nintendo sure does hate having dem mature games on its consoles.ebrezzy1

Nope, not at all.

:roll:

you know the first one didn't have blood for the last good nintendo console ... you had to enter a cheat code ... while the sega verison did ... that is what very first started nintendo is a kiddy console

again nintendo is a family friendly console and known as kidtendo and other such terms ... people go alll the way back to the gamecube or then snes ... to pick out games ... theres a reason why nintendo consoles haven't gotten third party support since the snes ... nintendo gamers don't buy them ... i don't know why people don't understand that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2QAuSJJHI

[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Also... it's not like Nintendo didn't leave Mortal Kombat II on the SNES alone after MKI on the same console got backlash for it's censorship.

Nope, not at all.

:roll:

TonyKoeffler

you know the first one didn't have blood for the last good nintendo console ... you had to enter a cheat code ... while the sega verison did ... that is what very first started nintendo is a kiddy console

again nintendo is a family friendly console and known as kidtendo and other such terms ... people go alll the way back to the gamecube or then snes ... to pick out games ... theres a reason why nintendo consoles haven't gotten third party support since the snes ... nintendo gamers don't buy them ... i don't know why people don't understand that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2QAuSJJHI

the game didn't sell though ... only proving my point ... so thanks

[QUOTE="TonyKoeffler"]

[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

you know the first one didn't have blood for the last good nintendo console ... you had to enter a cheat code ... while the sega verison did ... that is what very first started nintendo is a kiddy console

again nintendo is a family friendly console and known as kidtendo and other such terms ... people go alll the way back to the gamecube or then snes ... to pick out games ... theres a reason why nintendo consoles haven't gotten third party support since the snes ... nintendo gamers don't buy them ... i don't know why people don't understand that

ebrezzy1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2QAuSJJHI

the game didn't sell though ... only proving my point ... so thanks

Didn't sell? Compared to what? So basically you are generalizing that all Nintendo gamers are people who are only interested in kiddie and/or casual games.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

The underlying reason is: cost > potential revenue, as they see it. Reasonable.

DarkLink77

Problem solved.

magiciandude

Translation- Wii U isn't selling, so why waste our time and money on making the game for it.

That thing doesn't even work with most Wii U games.DragonfireXZ95

His point was for the developers to realize it exists and utilize it more...

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That thing doesn't even work with most Wii U games.SuperFlakeman

His point was for the developers to realize it exists and utilize it more...

But why should they bother? It's extra time and money to be spent when they already have the PC, PS3, and 360 to develop for and get plenty of sales.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That thing doesn't even work with most Wii U games.SuperFlakeman

His point was for the developers to realize it exists and utilize it more...

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] That thing doesn't even work with most Wii U games.campzor

His point was for the developers to realize it exists and utilize it more...

Ofc, not saying that they should, was just pointing out the misunderstanding, not taking a side.

My stance on this matter is it's very easy to put a map or something on the second screen and just simply port it, no enhancements or tailored for WiiU crap. The GamePad is a traditional controller in itself, this particular excuse only applies to Wii, since straight porting often isn't possible.

Problem solved.

magiciandude

Problem solved.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

The underlying reason is: cost > potential revenue, as they see it. Reasonable.

Heil68

This is definitely going to be a weakness for the Wii U for Devs in the long run. Devs feel obligated to use the gamepad just because its part of the system. Dice, Gearbox, and Crystal Dynamics all appear to be on this boat.

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[QUOTE="TonyKoeffler"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2QAuSJJHI

TonyKoeffler

the game didn't sell though ... only proving my point ... so thanks

Didn't sell? Compared to what? So basically you are generalizing that all Nintendo gamers are people who are only interested in kiddie and/or casual games.

stupid to argue ... the fact is a nintendo console has not gotten 3rd party support since the snes ... what do you think the reason is then ... many people know why and have stated it ... no one is gonna buy the game enough to bother putting the game on the Wii U ... people think oh nintendo didn't get support cuz the wii was underpowered well guess what the wii u is a ps3 xbox 360 and still no one gives a hoot to put their core gamer focused mature gamer focused games on the system

[QUOTE="TonyKoeffler"]

[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

the game didn't sell though ... only proving my point ... so thanks

ebrezzy1

Didn't sell? Compared to what? So basically you are generalizing that all Nintendo gamers are people who are only interested in kiddie and/or casual games.

stupid to argue ... the fact is a nintendo console has not gotten 3rd party support since the snes ... what do you think the reason is then ... many people know why and have stated it ... no one is gonna buy the game enough to bother putting the game on the Wii U ... people think oh nintendo didn't get support cuz the wii was underpowered well guess what the wii u is a ps3 xbox 360 and still no one gives a hoot to put their core gamer focused mature gamer focused games on the system

Gamepad backfiring on Nintendo, working as easy excuse not to dev for the platform until it increases user base. Pretty lame, it's not like the WiiU doesn't have the Pro pad.getyeryayasout

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Let's be honest here, they're not making Tomb Raider for the Wii U because finanically it wouldn't benefit the company.

nameless12345

So more sales = no financial benefit?

If you say so...

Just like the real reason behind the Capcom Vita thing, it's because the console doesn't have the install base to make it worth it right now.

Every console goes through the catch 22 period. Publishers don't want to put games out because it hasn't sold enough and it needs to sell enough to get publishers to take it seriously.

It still cost money to port, release and market a game.

Family Friendly image Nintendo is ... Tomb Raider featuring a young girl attempted to get raped n blowing the dudes brains in ... Don't think Nintendo wants it or the company wants it on a console that has a proven track record of not buying mature games ... Or Any 3rd Party games for that matter

ebrezzy1

Explain ZombiU and Bayonetta 2 then...

Also, Nintendo gamers will buy M-rated games if they are good and advertised.

For example the Turok games on the N64 and the Resident Evil games on GC sold decently.

Not to mention Mortal Kombat II on the SNES which helped move consoles due to better graphics than the Sega version and no censorship...

[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

[QUOTE="TonyKoeffler"]

Didn't sell? Compared to what? So basically you are generalizing that all Nintendo gamers are people who are only interested in kiddie and/or casual games.

Timstuff

stupid to argue ... the fact is a nintendo console has not gotten 3rd party support since the snes ... what do you think the reason is then ... many people know why and have stated it ... no one is gonna buy the game enough to bother putting the game on the Wii U ... people think oh nintendo didn't get support cuz the wii was underpowered well guess what the wii u is a ps3 xbox 360 and still no one gives a hoot to put their core gamer focused mature gamer focused games on the system

They opted for cartridges on the 64 because of the failed collaboration with Sony to make the CD drive for SNES.

They were collaborating with Philips too but that was also a bad move. (now you know where all the "glorious" CD-I Zelda and Mario games come from...)

They knew it would be a bottleneck later on and started working on the "disc drive" even before the 64 came out.

But that took too long to make and was released only in Japan and a failure so they moved almost all the projects to cart-only or canned them.

Carts were not the only problem as the system was also difficult to develop for and Sony just had the bigger marketing machine.

GC used DVDs btw, they were just in "mini" format.

Also, purple purse >>> X-brick and Darth's toaster...

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Let's be honest here, they're not making Tomb Raider for the Wii U because finanically it wouldn't benefit the company.

HalcyonScarlet

So more sales = no financial benefit?

If you say so...

Just like the real reason behind the Capcom Vita thing, it's because the console doesn't have the install base to make it worth it right now.

Every console goes through the catch 22 period. Publishers don't want to put games out because it hasn't sold enough and it needs to sell enough to get publishers to take it seriously.

It still cost money to port, release and market a game.

So when the next PS and Xbox are released some devs will just say "we won't make games for them yet because the install base is too small" ?

BS excuse tbh...

Nintendo's woes began when they rejected CDs on the N64. It continued on the Gamecube when they made it look like a purple purse, while also rejecting DVDs and online play. The Wii was such a hot mess that I don't think I need to explain what went wrong there. The Wii U is the Wii again, except it does not have the novelty of motion controls to sell it to old people this time.Timstuff

I guess you didn't read my post here, it's beyond CD's, western/PC developers always have a stigma with Nintendo since the NES. I mean, who wanted to release games on an underpowered console that is only 8-bit when the Apple II, Amiga, Commodore, were powerful up to 16-bit and great sound. You can't play Ultima, Madden, Wasteland, or even Elder Scrolls on the NES.