The Call Of Duty franchise ruined good FPS

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Fine move around, then point and click.i5750at4Ghz

All deathmatch based FPS require the same skills. Good aim, solid reflexes, and basic flanking. If you can get these three things down you will dominate in every single deathmatch based FPS on the market.

I don't care what FPS you're playing getting off the first shot in a firefight is a massive advantage.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

play barebones mode with no killstreak rewards... problem solved. Nobody is forcing you to play modes with killstreaks.

Griffball in halo reach takes no skill, so i simply avoid that gametype.

EndlessPunisher

[QUOTE="EndlessPunisher"][QUOTE="mitu123"] It's actually more fun that way, because everytime I get a overpowered killstreak I end the match with a 2.00+ K/D ratio.

mitu123

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[QUOTE="EndlessPunisher"] What killstreaks are overpowered exactly?i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Fine move around, then point and click.i5750at4Ghz

All deathmatch based FPS require the same skills. Good aim, solid reflexes, and basic flanking. If you can get these three things down you will dominate in every single deathmatch based FPS on the market.

I don't care what FPS you're playing getting off the first shot in a firefight is a massive advantage.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="EndlessPunisher"] What killstreaks are overpowered exactly?i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

What is this COD requires no skill crap? Camping requires no skill, but there is no rule that you have to camp in COD, when i play it... i dont camp.

Shake_McGee

You can kill people with 1 bullet in CS, does that mean it's not skill based?

Oh and, camping also takes skill in CS.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] It's all the same. Point and click.i5750at4Ghz

games like quake/UT and halo do require you to dodge while you are shooting... so there is an added layer of difficulty present imo.

Well getting the better weapon usually involves things like teamwork and map control. Feel free to jump on the MLG gametype in halo reach and see how well you do. I am willing to bet cold hard cash you arent going to be dominating there.

And if you look at the people that win professional quake tournaments they usually arent the players with the best aim, they usually are the best at strategically controlling the map. You have to time all the powerup spawns, and control them all as they spawn to win.

watch this video(actual match starts around 25 minutes in)and tell me you think quake requires no skill.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Any killstreak that involves the chopper, like calling in a chopper to do your kills for you, being a gunner in a chopper, and taking full control of the chopper. I got an easy 3.00 K/D ratio the other day because I had numerous kills in the chopper. You can shoot people as soon as they spawn.:lol:

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="EndlessPunisher"][QUOTE="mitu123"] It's actually more fun that way, because everytime I get a overpowered killstreak I end the match with a 2.00+ K/D ratio.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"] Please. Any "realistic" shooter where you can kill somebody with 3-4 bullets is NOT skill based. It simply becomes a game of who sees who first. It can be fun, but there is absolutely no skill required other than a fast twitchy finger.Shake_McGee

lol that charlie sheen quote is from the howard stern show right? nice.

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

What is this COD requires no skill crap? Camping requires no skill, but there is no rule that you have to camp in COD, when i play it... i dont camp.

coreybg

You can kill people with 1 bullet in CS, does that mean it's not skill based?

Oh and, camping also takes skill in CS.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

games like quake/UT and halo do require you to dodge while you are shooting... so there is an added layer of difficulty present imo.

markinthedark

Well getting the better weapon usually involves things like teamwork and map control. Feel free to jump on the MLG gametype in halo reach and see how well you do. I am willing to bet cold hard cash you arent going to be dominating there.

And if you look at the people that win professional quake tournaments they usually arent the players with the best aim, they usually are the best at strategically controlling the map.

watch this video(actual match starts around 25 minutes in)and tell me you think quake requires no skill.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"] Please. Any "realistic" shooter where you can kill somebody with 3-4 bullets is NOT skill based. It simply becomes a game of who sees who first. It can be fun, but there is absolutely no skill required other than a fast twitchy finger.Shake_McGee

You can kill people with 1 bullet in CS, does that mean it's not skill based?

Oh and, camping also takes skill in CS.

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Killstreaks make it worse, any killstreak that involves the chopper will get you easy kills.

lazerface216

lol that charlie sheen quote is from the howard stern show right? nice.

No, you can blame Piraters for Crysis 2 consolisation, and Piraters are PC gamers, so blame your kind with your fail logic

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] I play every single deathmatch based FPS the same way. And dominate in them all. FPS are all one in the same. The person who has the better weapon and/or aim will win the firefight 95% of the time. You guys are acting like quake and halo are so much more complicated than COD. When they really aren't.i5750at4Ghz

Well getting the better weapon usually involves things like teamwork and map control. Feel free to jump on the MLG gametype in halo reach and see how well you do. I am willing to bet cold hard cash you arent going to be dominating there.

And if you look at the people that win professional quake tournaments they usually arent the players with the best aim, they usually are the best at strategically controlling the map.

watch this video(actual match starts around 25 minutes in)and tell me you think quake requires no skill.

yea but you act like getting the best weapons is just luck based. For games like Quake and Halo half the challenge is strategically trying to control those weapon/power up spawns.

Regenerating health in BF3 has not been confirmed.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"] Well said. So basically an already noobish game is made even more noobish with "auto-kill scoring" features XDShake_McGee

lol that charlie sheen quote is from the howard stern show right? nice.

i agree, he actually kinda made sense in that interview.

No skill required for COD? Since when? Each weapon has its strengths and weakness, each strategy you make in the game can increase kills. It takes skill to learn the maps, figure out which routes are the best. Just because it does have a arcade type of feel doesn't mean it takes absolutely no skill to play.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Well getting the better weapon usually involves things like teamwork and map control. Feel free to jump on the MLG gametype in halo reach and see how well you do. I am willing to bet cold hard cash you arent going to be dominating there.

And if you look at the people that win professional quake tournaments they usually arent the players with the best aim, they usually are the best at strategically controlling the map.

watch this video(actual match starts around 25 minutes in)and tell me you think quake requires no skill.

markinthedark

yea but you act like getting the best weapons is just luck based. For games like Quake and Halo half the challenge is strategically trying to control those weapon/power up spawns.

No, you can blame Piraters for Crysis 2 consolisation, and Piraters are PC gamers, so blame your kind with your fail logic

OB-47

Hermits now think a game with recharging health is instantly casual?

StealthMonkey4

No skill required for COD? Since when? Each weapon has its strengths and weakness, each strategy you make in the game can increase kills. It takes skill to learn the maps, figure out which routes are the best. Just because it does have a arcade type of feel doesn't mean it takes absolutely no skill to play.

JJGT500

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] I played quake 3 as well as pretty much ever major shooter on PC aside from quake 4 for many years. I know exactly the skills required to be good. But the 3 I named are major to all deathmatch based FPS. i5750at4Ghz

yea but you act like getting the best weapons is just luck based. For games like Quake and Halo half the challenge is strategically trying to control those weapon/power up spawns.

well thats not even really true... in that quake video they usually cycle between 4 different weapons. There is no "best" weapon. And in Reach the power weapons have limited ammunition. Even the player that gets the power weapon still mostly relies on his DMR... and whether or not a power weapon is best, is situational.

but every game can be made to sound stupid by over simplification.

Examples:

whoever makes the most units and controls them better in starcraft wins 95% of the time, takes no skill.

Whoever moves their pieces better in chess wins 95% of the time, takes no skill.

When in reality, these tasks are incredibly complex and very difficult to achieve.

Battlefield 3 now has heal over time, get shot and the screen turns red. Coming from BF2 which was a PC exclusive with a heath bar.

sillaris

mark, did you just try to suggest that COD is on the level of Starcraft and Chess :/Shake_McGee

we were actually discussing quake and halo at this point.... and a game like quake when played at the professional level does require the same level of motor skills and mental strategy as starcraft.... chess is obviously more mental and less physical.

My point was just that everything can be made to sound simple, even if its ridiculously complex.

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"]mark, did you just try to suggest that COD is on the level of Starcraft and Chess :/markinthedark

we were actually discussing quake and halo at this point.... and a game like quake when played at the professional level does require the same level of motor skills and mental strategy as starcraft.... chess is obviously more mental and less physical.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Shake_McGee"]mark, did you just try to suggest that COD is on the level of Starcraft and Chess :/Shake_McGee

we were actually discussing quake and halo at this point.... and a game like quake when played at the professional level does require the same level of motor skills and mental strategy as starcraft.... chess is obviously more mental and less physical.

well thats the nature of the beast when something requires multiple skills.... there is less specialization required. In chess boxing (which is real)... they probably arent the best boxers, or the best chess players. But they are the best boxers at chess, and the best chess players at boxing.

Those korean SC players probably arent the most brilliant strategists, but they are the most brilliant strategists that can move their hands at lightning speed.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

What is this COD requires no skill crap? Camping requires no skill, but there is no rule that you have to camp in COD, when i play it... i dont camp.

Shake_McGee

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

No, you can blame Piraters for Crysis 2 consolisation, and Piraters are PC gamers, so blame your kind with your fail logic

i5750at4Ghz

I don't see how that has any relevance. Crytek said they are moving to consoles because the market is much bigger, less piration etc. It is the piratars of Crysis 1 who made Crytek choose to have Crysis 2 on consoles.

I am a Pc gamer, and the point I made was using the same logic as the TC. I do not actually believe we should blame PC gamers, I am just showing how poor it is to blame COD.

COD is a good FPS

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Those games never claimed to be realistic. And they DO take more skill. Anyone who thinks Call of Duty takes more skill than something like Quake is out of their damn mind.markinthedark

games like quake/UT and halo do require you to dodge while you are shooting... so there is an added layer of difficulty present imo.

COD made popular several good things, like customisable clas ses/pickable weapons.

I ****** hate weapon map spawns.

Hermits now think a game with recharging health is instantly casual?

StealthMonkey4

I can see why he would think Call of Duty caused it. Personally, I like non-recharging health more.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Hermits now think a game with recharging health is instantly casual?

TSNAKE617

I can see why he would think Call of Duty caused it. Personally, I like non-recharging health more.

I dont... nobody likes getting killed by a noob just because they are low on health. I think it helps keep things more even when you enter a shootout and both players are full on health. Means you actually have to be able to outshoot your opponent to win.

Single player is another story i suppose. But frankly nothing sucks more than getting to the last fight of a level and realizing you had low health when you hit that last checkpoint and there are no health packs around so you cant win.... and you gotta restart the entire level.

There is nothing really wrong with the Call of Duty franchise except for the fact that it stopped evolving after the first part (I don't consider different settings to be progress), that it's compating with sports games by the rate new ones are comming out, that it's basically the same thing over and over again just in a bit different dress and that it's praised and sold far too much.

[QUOTE="TSNAKE617"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Hermits now think a game with recharging health is instantly casual?

markinthedark

I can see why he would think Call of Duty caused it. Personally, I like non-recharging health more.

I dont... nobody likes getting killed by a noob just because they are low on health. I think it helps keep things more even when you enter a shootout and both players are full on health. Means you actually have to be able to outshoot your opponent to win.

Single player is another story i suppose. But frankly nothing sucks more than getting to the last fight of a level and realizing you had low health when you hit that last checkpoint and there are no health packs around so you cant win.... and you gotta restart the entire level.

COD is awful, but as long as those players stay away from BF3 I'm OK with that.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="TSNAKE617"]

I can see why he would think Call of Duty caused it. Personally, I like non-recharging health more.

Cranler

I dont... nobody likes getting killed by a noob just because they are low on health. I think it helps keep things more even when you enter a shootout and both players are full on health. Means you actually have to be able to outshoot your opponent to win.

Single player is another story i suppose. But frankly nothing sucks more than getting to the last fight of a level and realizing you had low health when you hit that last checkpoint and there are no health packs around so you cant win.... and you gotta restart the entire level.

Ahh, didnt think of that. I mostly only play reach which has recharging shields and very little camping. When it takes several hits to kill someone you cant sit in one place and kill people. As they will run behind something and recharge.