System Wars Vote: Should downloadable games be counted for the metagame?

As Eddie already pointed out, most people who don't give a damn about the Kinect or the Wonderbook, but they're counted in the Metagame.

Wait, so only some games are equal? Does Gamespot review games based on price and value? If yes, logic dictates they shouldn't count as equals in the metagame. If no, then you're delusional and should seek help.

You can't have it both ways. Either all games are equal and pricing/size of a game matters or it doesn't, in which case any platform can be counted if it is reviewed on GS.

senses_fail_06

Nonsense, Kinect and Move have always been associated with the main brands and folks do care about them, and are passionate either for it or against it. They've been a huge part of the discussion since they were first rumoured and first announced. Mobile phones? No. Why? Because SW doesn't care about it so whether or not they would count wouldn't matter.

Games do not exist in a vacuum, a good game is a game regardless. It's why Super Meat Boy was nominated for Game of the Year among behemoth retail AAA games.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] I like how they are trying to weasel out of it though...gotta love the lems xD.senses_fail_06

Like you guys are trying to weasel out of this by bringing iOS and Android games into the discussion?

Platforms that no one counted as part of the metagame to begin with?

Right...

There's a big difference here, which pokes a huge hole in the argument.

This thread is campaigning for/against the inclusion of games that have been released on systems already a part of the metagame.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be counted and I also don't see how iOS/Android games would be added as some sort of package deal in this whole affair.

Now if you guys want to count iOS and Android as gaming platforms in the metagame, that's another argument/thread/vote entirely.

EDIT: I'm going to go ahead and preempt the whole "well, all iOS/Android games are downloads anyway...duh" argument by pointing you to the statement above. Again, totally different argument.

I don't see an argument against including iOS and Android, as well as the Vita and 3DS, into the metagame under the idea that all games are equal.

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

If we count download games then that would mean Peggle has the same standards as retail games. They shouldn't count.

JohnnyCageMK

I can think of many worse retail games than Peggle.

So can I but it doesn't mean it should count. Most download games are closer to flash games you can play on sites like miniclip and pogo than retail games.

What does that have to do with a game's quality?

Lone Survivor was made with cheap pixelated 2D graphics by one guy with peanuts for a budget...yet it was an exceptionally well made survival horror game that clowns $60 dogsh*t like RE6.

I don't see an argument against including iOS and Android, as well as the Vita and 3DS, into the metagame under the idea that all games are equal.

Ly_the_Fairy

Agreed

Tell you what, when this is done, we will add an addenum to the System Wars Survival Guide to reflect more information on the meta game and the result of this vote.

verbtex

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Tell you what, when this is done, we will add an addenum to the System Wars Survival Guide to reflect more information on the meta game and the result of this vote.

CaseyWegner

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Tell you what, when this is done, we will add an addenum to the System Wars Survival Guide to reflect more information on the meta game and the result of this vote.

Eddie-Vedder

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

Yes

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

blue_hazy_basic

GS has reviewed a few themselves like Angry Birds Space but I'm guessing he counts the reviews cross linked from slidetoplay.com, since that's about the only thing he'd have to make a decent argument with.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Tell you what, when this is done, we will add an addenum to the System Wars Survival Guide to reflect more information on the meta game and the result of this vote.

Eddie-Vedder

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

no. i didn't get the memo. i got the vote count, however, and it looks like the majority so far are voting "yes" for the change. you've made your argument. please let it go now. you're just clogging the thread and making it harder to count the votes.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

blue_hazy_basic

Ofc not, downloadable games are reviewed in different standard than full price games

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Not sure if you got the memo but it won't count, people don't realize what you're trying to do here and the full implications. If this rule were to change IOS and Android games will be the winners of next gen, by a landslide. Read through the thread people agree, if all games are to be considered equal then theres no half assing it, it either is or isn't. Handheld games will also count just as much obviously, but it's the IOS and Android games that will really be lols. Eddie-Vedder

those reviews are not done by gamespot

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

sounds good. thanks. can we get a sticky when there's room again?

CaseyWegner

no. i didn't get the memo. i got the vote count, however, and it looks like the majority so far are voting "yes" for the change. you've made your argument. please let it go now. you're just clogging the thread and making it harder to count the votes.

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] No it wouldn't. Meta uses GS, GS doesn't review them. Everyone has been over this with you numerous times.rilpas

those reviews are not done by gamespot

Plus angry birds has an official gamespot review and next gen smartphones and tablets will be even more popular, so even more reviews.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Yes they do, look up, there is a tab with IOS and Android with reviews... Eddie-Vedder

those reviews are not done by gamespot

being on gamespot =/= being done by gamespot

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

those reviews are not done by gamespot

rilpas

being on gamespot =/= being done by gamespot

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Not sure if you got the memo but it won't count, people don't realize what you're trying to do here and the full implications. If this rule were to change IOS and Android games will be the winners of next gen, by a landslide. Read through the thread people agree, if all games are to be considered equal then theres no half assing it, it either is or isn't. Handheld games will also count just as much obviously, but it's the IOS and Android games that will really be lols. Eddie-Vedder

no. i didn't get the memo. i got the vote count, however, and it looks like the majority so far are voting "yes" for the change. you've made your argument. please let it go now. you're just clogging the thread and making it harder to count the votes.

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Yes they are, they are on gamespot, many console and PC games are also by freelancers. Eddie-Vedder

being on gamespot =/= being done by gamespot

ever notice anything odd about the android reviews? they aren't in increments of .5 which is what gamespot uses.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Yes they are, they are on gamespot, many console and PC games are also by freelancers. Eddie-Vedder

being on gamespot =/= being done by gamespot

I never claimed gamespot was a person

doesn't the fact that these reviews were not done by gamespot

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

no. i didn't get the memo. i got the vote count, however, and it looks like the majority so far are voting "yes" for the change. you've made your argument. please let it go now. you're just clogging the thread and making it harder to count the votes.

CaseyWegner

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

He's gonna fight this losing battle to the end man, even if he has to take it to the highest courts in the land! :lol:

By the way, do you think this would this retroactively apply to the soon-to-be-last gen consoles as well or would this take effect only for next gen platforms?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

no. i didn't get the memo. i got the vote count, however, and it looks like the majority so far are voting "yes" for the change. you've made your argument. please let it go now. you're just clogging the thread and making it harder to count the votes.

CaseyWegner

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

Absolutely. Games are games. Even all games in Steam are downloadable.

It's nice to see SW having some logic for once, this thread.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You won't get this changed without it being way clearer then this, I'll take it to ask the mods and talk to the Gamespot staff, people voting yes aren't even argumenting, this is a huge change with big implications that the vast majority don't even begin to realize. Your thread simply seems like we don't count arcade games and your asking if we should, witch we should, but separate.

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

Eddie-Vedder

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

you don't seem to get it. this is for the OPTIONAL METAGAME only.

Of course.

If downloadable games don't count then PC has no games.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

CaseyWegner

you don't seem to get it. this is for the OPTIONAL METAGAME only.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Because if you backdoor this your ruining SW and filling it with stupidity or double standards. Cause if we ignore standards we HAVE to count handheld and IOS/Android games. Your thread doesn't explain any of the implications this rule change will make and your trying to get this all official without explaining any of it. You can't just have a vote, you have to have a debate first so ppl know what they are talking about and what the implications are. If your not going to do that I'll explain the situation to the staff before you ruin this place even further. If I were a casual SW goers I would come in vote yes and leave too, anyone thats been around and knows what the implications are are the ones here arguing, and plenty of well known lems and cow haters are arguing against it too. Eddie-Vedder

you don't seem to get it. this is for the OPTIONAL METAGAME only.

are you doing this on purpose?

You don't seem to get it, if you ignore standards to count arcade games as equal to retail games, then handheld and IOS/Android games also count. There's no buts or ifs. Either you recognize there is a standards difference which there is, or you pretend there isn't. You can't cherry pick.Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You won't get this changed without it being way clearer then this, I'll take it to ask the mods and talk to the Gamespot staff, people voting yes aren't even argumenting, this is a huge change with big implications that the vast majority don't even begin to realize. Your thread simply seems like we don't count arcade games and your asking if we should, witch we should, but separate.

As is, if the change happens, handheld, phone games, IOS, Android games all count just as much as any Halo or Uncharted game. They are reviewed on Gamespot and this place is called SYSTEM WARS as you've told us so many times.

The_Game21x

why would you take something that has nothing to do with the terms of use to "ask the mods" or worse yet to gamespot staff members? this proposal is for the completely optional metagame. the majority of the mods and staff members don't know the metagame rules and many probably don't even know it exists.

He's gonna fight this losing battle to the end man, even if he has to take it to the highest courts in the land! :lol:

By the way, do you think this would this retroactively apply to the soon-to-be-last gen consoles as well or would this take effect only for next gen platforms?

it should be retroactive.

Yes

Yes