Sony owns the top two devs in the industry

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#1 civic_misfit
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Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games are some of the most talented developers in the industry today. Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are the most immersive, atmospheric games yet released on consoles. Their games are the only games that deserve to be called HD. Both run at 720p with 2xAA and the best character design and animations seen today.

This gen, Sony managed to dismantle the graphics giants of last gen. ND and GG have outclassed Epic and even Valve in graphics and gameplay. Uncharted 2 makes Gears 2 look like a launch game. This gen, all Valve has done is complain about the ps3's architecture while releasing a left 4 dead game every year on a 2004 engine. To say they are past their prime would be an understatement.

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#2 Diviniuz
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Neither of those developers are Blizzard, Nintendo, Bioware. GG top devs in the industry? Best Laugh I had all day
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#3 Raymundo_Manuel
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Ummm, I'm just going to leave this thread with a "lol"

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#4 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Nintendo owns EAD, and EA owns BioWare.

So nope.

Sony owns a bunch of extremely talented devs, but let's not exaggerate.

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#5 NielsNL
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Great devs. But there are many great devs.

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I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

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#7 Diviniuz
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I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

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#8 NielsNL
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I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

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Killzone Liberation on the PSP..

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#10 jasonharris48
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Sony owns Blizzard and Valve?

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#11 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Valve is not really that good. D:
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#12 93soccer
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

Diviniuz

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LOL you know's you're games bad when the game is released on ps2 and the official PS magazine gives it a 40/100!
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#13 Ravensmash
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Wait, Sony have brought Bungie? :P
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#14 Fizzman
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Guerilla Games, are you serious? They have made a total of 1 good game.

Ill throw in Naughty Dog, but they are definitely the best dev owned by Sony.

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#15 Chutebox
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ND yes, GG no.

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#16 PAL360
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I agree Naughty Dog is up there with Bungie, Bioware, Nintendo, Bethersda, rockstar, Valve and others. GG is not even close.

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#17 AmayaPapaya
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I think ND is stretching it. But GG no way. No way at all.

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#18 ujjval16
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Um ND is arguable, but GG, seriously? There are plenty of Devs that are way more talented. Bioware, Blizzard, Valve, Bungie, Epic, Nintendo, Retro, Sucker Punch, etc..

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#19 nitromuffin
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:lol: Thanks for the laughs bro! ND and GG are barely in the top 10 of developers in the industry! Bungie, Blizzard, Bioware, Nintendo, Rockstar, Valve are all miles better than ND and GG. Also Graphics =/= best devs lol silly cow :P Someone's still mad over L4D not at ps3 eh?93soccer
naughty dog is
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#20 danishkhan
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I agree with Naughty Dog.
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#21 Ravensmash
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But seriously.... ND are up there as top developers imo GG need to prove they're not a one hit wonder (not saying they aren't good, but i can't call them top after ONE well recieved game).
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#22 Diviniuz
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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

93soccer

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LOL you know's you're games bad when the game is released on ps2 and the official PS magazine gives it a 40/100!

It was before they were first party and bought out by Sony (the game was out on xbox and pc too) , this was the first game the studio ever made, it was published by Eidos I believe. Long Story Short, GG is not one of the best developers out there, out of the 3 console games they have made, two of them were massive failures
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#24 painguy1
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Here is what i think

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#25 civic_misfit
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ND yes, GG no.

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Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.
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#26 osan0
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they own one dev that could possibly stand with the very best....team ico. theres nothing really remarkable about ND or GG (GG especially just make average games really). nice tech doesnt make for a great dev.
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#27 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

ND yes, GG no.

civic_misfit

Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.

By pioneering you mean shoe horning in so Sony can make more money off of 3DTV's.

If 1% of KZ3 players have 3DTV's when it launches i will be impressed.

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#28 Lionheart08
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Naughty Dog released a really great game, but that doesn't necessary qualify them as being one of the top devs. Guerrilla Games? Lol no :lol:

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#29 Diviniuz
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

ND yes, GG no.

civic_misfit
Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.

But having one good game, and another game that isn't out makes them apart of the top two developer in the industry? I mean come on man, thats absurd
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Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.civic_misfit
Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.
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#31 svenus97
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Sony has a great first party, but let's not exagggerate. Valve, BioWare, Blizzard, Bethesada, Bungie etc ?

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#32 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

ND yes, GG no.

Diviniuz
Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.

But having one good game, and another game that isn't out makes them apart of the top two developer in the industry? I mean come on man, thats absurd

I'm looking at what they did this gen, not last gen. Valve did more than GG last gen. But this gen, GG have done more than Valve.
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#33 93soccer
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

ND yes, GG no.

civic_misfit

Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be SHOVING3D TV's out , this gen.

Fixed it for you.


Also PC's had motion controls and 3D for how long now?

And it's not "supporting", it's more "forced" from sony so they make more money selling their overpriced 3D TV's

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[QUOTE="civic_misfit"]Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.IronBass
Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.

Are you kidding?!?? Can you play Socom on Wii?
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#35 MetroidPrimePwn
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I wasn't aware that Sony owned Nintendo EAD Tokyo OR Bioware...

:P

(Seriously though, all just opinions)

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#36 93soccer
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="civic_misfit"]Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.civic_misfit
Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.

Are you kidding?!?? Can you play Socom on Wii?

Nooo because that's owned by Sony :? Can you play SMG2 with Move? How about the Conduit? Or Red Steel 2?
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#37 oldkingallant
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So they own Nintendo and Bioware? I wasn't aware.

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Are you kidding?!?? Can you play Socom on Wii?civic_misfit
We are not talking about particular games, but about gameplay in general. Motion-controlled games have been done for four years in the Wii. Nothing about Move is "next gen".
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#39 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

Diviniuz

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Wow thats pretty bad.

They definitely did improve with KIllzone 2 and Killzone 3 looks very impressive but calling them they best is pretty silly

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[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.

Are you kidding?!?? Can you play Socom on Wii?

Nooo because that's owned by Sony :? Can you play SMG2 with Move? How about the Conduit? Or Red Steel 2?

Those last two were horrible, horrible examples. Actually now that I think of it even The Conduit scored as high as the last Socom and Red Steel 2 scored way higher... nevermind :P.
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Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games are some of the most talented developers in the industry today. Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are the most immersive, atmospheric games yet released on consoles. Their games are the only games that deserve to be called HD. Both run at 720p with 2xAA and the best character design and animations seen today.

This gen, Sony managed to dismantle the graphics giants of last gen. ND and GG have outclassed Epic and even Valve in graphics and gameplay. Uncharted 2 makes Gears 2 look like a launch game. This gen, all Valve has done is complain about the ps3's architecture while releasing a left 4 dead game every year on a 2004 engine. To say they are past their prime would be an understatement.

civic_misfit

You mean Blizzard, Valve and Bioware sure.

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#42 civic_misfit
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[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="civic_misfit"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Nothing about that is next gen gameplay. The Wii has been around for 4 years (about the Move part) and 3D graphics are that, graphics, not gameplay.

Are you kidding?!?? Can you play Socom on Wii?

Nooo because that's owned by Sony :? Can you play SMG2 with Move? How about the Conduit? Or Red Steel 2?

I don't mean Socom specifically. I'm talking about playing hardcore shooters with motion controls. PS3 will truly be able to bridge the gap between "core" and "casual" gamers. The Guitar Hero crowd will be playing Killzone. This is how the industry will move forward.
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I wouldn't be suprised if majority considered Treyarch over Guerilla Games. You can certainly make a point with ND but I don't see how it holds much of an argument as well. It's also rather funny to point out that those 2 have only made 1 AAAE game (for ND 1 AAAE/ 1 AAE) each thus far into this gen. Kind of makes you wonder who's trying to exalt these two so much. Just saying...........
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

ND yes, GG no.

civic_misfit
Sony is using GG to drive the industry forward. Killzone 3 will support 3D and Move. GG will be pioneering next gen gameplay, this gen.

They've released one game this gen. As much as I love KZ2, come on..
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#45 ActicEdge
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All I have to say is hell no to that.

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#46 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I agree with Naughty Dog since they've made many quality games over the years but Guerilla has really only impressed with Killzone 2. Killzone 1 was a decent game but nothing special. Has GG made anything else that I'm not aware of?

Also, I'd say that Bioware is one of the best devs

BPoole96

They made this game

Wow thats pretty bad.

They definitely did improve with KIllzone 2 and Killzone 3 looks very impressive but calling them they best is pretty silly

To this date they've made one good game, Killzone 2, and one decent one, the Killzone for PSP. If Killzone 3 is good, they'll have made two good and one decent. Nintendo has done better than that in the last year, and if you compare their overall work to GG it doesn't even compare.... TC really blew it with this thread.
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#47 BigBoss154
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If we're talking graphically, then yes. I'll agree.

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#48 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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If we're talking graphically, then yes. I'll agree.

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What about Crytek?
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#49 Phazevariance
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If the TC think sUncharted 2 makes Gears of War 2 look lik ea launch game, ... well thats just plain fanboyism. Gears 2 is a very beautiful game also. If anything, it makes Perfect Dark Zero feel like a launch games... which it was.

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#50 jasonharris48
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Valve is not really that good. D:IronBass
Only devs that made a FPS title I wanted to play. They're good in my books.