Sony NEVER had intentions of XBone DRM for PS4

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#151 Posted by sts106mat (24148 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Delta and sts confirmed for tools. Companies patent everything they think of so they can profit off the license later if someone else wants to use it. But hey, keep showing yourself up as dumbass lems. All it does is deepen your embarrassment.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Sony disc based DRM is already in the TOS. You dumb asses agreed to it already and Sony is just waiting to enforce it.

STFU about Sony being some angel or savior. They are the biggest backstabbers in the business.

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Then explain blatant DRM in Sony's ToS?

That concerned digital content on PSN. You know, digital rights management? Durr hurr hurr. Every console since the 360 has it.

Time for lemmings to deal with the fact that MS decided to be unilaterally malignant and Nintendo and Sony rightfully told them to piss off.

@blue_hazy_basic said:

"Never had any intentions ... "

"Patents DRM ..."

Good grief at the self-delusion

Yes, see what I and many other brighter folk have been saying. It's not difficult. It's business. :)

Grenade launcher still failing to read posts properly and confirming himself as one of the biggest prats on the internet.

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#152 Edited by delta3074 (19932 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Delta and sts confirmed for tools. Companies patent everything they think of so they can profit off the license later if someone else wants to use


Yeah, it's called patent trolling and it's not a good thing so i wasn't wrong was i?

Filing a Patent for something you will never create or use just so you can ambush someone else down the line when they try to implement something similar is a very Nasty and Cynical way to gain money,look at what happened to nintendo with the gamecube controller, the guy that filed the Patent WAITED until the gamecube had stopped selling then filed a patent suit against nintendo because the controller Breached his Patent.

SONY Intending to use the DRM they patented is actually the lesser of the two evils in my book.

You are basically making SONY look worse,lol

A patent troll, also called a patent assertion entity (PAE), is a person or company who enforces patent rights against accused infringers in an attempt to collect licensing fees, but does not manufacture products or supply services based upon the patents in question, thus engaging in economic rent-seeking. Related, less pejorative terms include patent holding company (PHC) and non-practicing entity (NPE). Generally not considered patent trolls are NPEs such as individual inventors, university research laboratories, development firms that offer their patented technologies to licensees in advance, and licensing agents that offer enforcement and negotiation services on behalf of patent owners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

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#153 Edited by Douevenlift_bro (6789 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

We already knew that.

Unfortunately lemmings are stupid assholes who can't read and thus are open to completely embarrassing themselves.

THIS.

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#154 Edited by sts106mat (24148 posts) -

@delta3074 said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Delta and sts confirmed for tools. Companies patent everything they think of so they can profit off the license later if someone else wants to use


Yeah, it's called patent trolling and it's not a good thing so i wasn't wrong was i?

Filing a Patent for something you will never create or use just so you can ambush someone else down the line when they try to implement something similar is a very Nasty and Cynical way to gain money,look at what happened to nintendo with the gamecube controller, the guy that filed the Patent WAITED until the gamecube had stopped selling then filed a patent suit against nintendo because the controller Breached his Patent.

SONY Intending to use the DRM they patented is actually the lesser of the two evils in my book.

You are basically making SONY look worse,lol

A patent troll, also called a patent assertion entity (PAE), is a person or company who enforces patent rights against accused infringers in an attempt to collect licensing fees, but does not manufacture products or supply services based upon the patents in question, thus engaging in economic rent-seeking. Related, less pejorative terms include patent holding company (PHC) and non-practicing entity (NPE). Generally not considered patent trolls are NPEs such as individual inventors, university research laboratories, development firms that offer their patented technologies to licensees in advance, and licensing agents that offer enforcement and negotiation services on behalf of patent owners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

Like i said before, he is a genuine idiot.

He reminds me very much of that "GamerWillzPS" guy who used to post all the time. Remember him? constantly posting utter nonsense, and seemed to enjoy making himself look stupid, just to troll other users. some of us came to the conclusion that he was autistic in the end.

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#155 Posted by delta3074 (19932 posts) -

@sts106mat said:

@delta3074 said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Delta and sts confirmed for tools. Companies patent everything they think of so they can profit off the license later if someone else wants to use


Yeah, it's called patent trolling and it's not a good thing so i wasn't wrong was i?

Filing a Patent for something you will never create or use just so you can ambush someone else down the line when they try to implement something similar is a very Nasty and Cynical way to gain money,look at what happened to nintendo with the gamecube controller, the guy that filed the Patent WAITED until the gamecube had stopped selling then filed a patent suit against nintendo because the controller Breached his Patent.

SONY Intending to use the DRM they patented is actually the lesser of the two evils in my book.

You are basically making SONY look worse,lol

A patent troll, also called a patent assertion entity (PAE), is a person or company who enforces patent rights against accused infringers in an attempt to collect licensing fees, but does not manufacture products or supply services based upon the patents in question, thus engaging in economic rent-seeking. Related, less pejorative terms include patent holding company (PHC) and non-practicing entity (NPE). Generally not considered patent trolls are NPEs such as individual inventors, university research laboratories, development firms that offer their patented technologies to licensees in advance, and licensing agents that offer enforcement and negotiation services on behalf of patent owners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

Like i said before, he is a genuine idiot.

He reminds me very much of that "GamerWillzPS" guy who used to post all the time. Remember him? constantly posting utter nonsense, and seemed to enjoy making himself look stupid, just to troll other users.

Grenade launcher takes it to all new levels though man, the guys definitely 'special' if you get my meaning,lol

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#156 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -

@Oemenia said:

Well this proves that Sony are only in it for the gamers and not money.

Totally convincing.

Sarcasm at it's finest. lol!!

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#157 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@blackace said:

There is just one thing you seem to keep forgetting.

SONY LIES!!!

So does MS and unlike the xbox one the PS4 didn't need a damn update on launch to remove DRM,yeah it wasn't need it because DRM wasn't there..

How do we know that? LMAO!! You're an engineer working for Sony or something? Sony had a day one (Day two & Day 3 patch as well. You couldn't even play a blu-ray movie without the patch. I still don't think music CD or music files will run on the PS4. Took Sony 2 months just to address the BLOD issues.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/INFO-Blinking-Blue-Light-PS4-Issues/td-p/42154071

Sony even patented DRM, so we know it was on their minds and they were thinking about the future using it. You'd be a complete fool not to realize that. Sony has lied about a ton of thing. Just accept it that they aren't perfect. It's funny how you always bring up M$ and XB1 every time there's something negative being discussed about Sony and the PS4. LMAO!! You do that a lot when you have no real defense.

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#158 Posted by Heil68 (57687 posts) -

We all know SONY is the by gamers for gamers this gen and this proves it. We are all humbled SONY.

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#159 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (6843 posts) -

@sts106mat said:

Grenade launcher still failing to read posts properly and confirming himself as one of the biggest prats on the internet.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it sts?

Yep, they all do it, delta. Apple and Samsung have been fighting it out over their patents. Business is business. Deal with it.

@blackace said:

How do we know that? LMAO!! You're an engineer working for Sony or something? Sony had a day one (Day two & Day 3 patch as well. You couldn't even play a blu-ray movie without the patch. I still don't think music CD or music files will run on the PS4. Took Sony 2 months just to address the BLOD issues.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/INFO-Blinking-Blue-Light-PS4-Issues/td-p/42154071

Sony even patented DRM, so we know it was on their minds and they were thinking about the future using it. You'd be a complete fool not to realize that. Sony has lied about a ton of thing. Just accept it that they aren't perfect. It's funny how you always bring up M$ and XB1 every time there's something negative being discussed about Sony and the PS4. LMAO!! You do that a lot when you have no real defense.

You can play games on the PS4 without the day one patch. More proof.

Not been a good day for the lemmings. First Sniper Elite 3 is a disaster on the Xbone despite the newer SDKs, then House confirms that MS was going to be unilaterally malignant, then MS unofficially cancel every Xbone is a dev kit. No wonder there's been so much impotent frustration today.

LMAO

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#160 Posted by delta3074 (19932 posts) -

@blackace said:

@tormentos said:

@blackace said:

There is just one thing you seem to keep forgetting.

SONY LIES!!!

So does MS and unlike the xbox one the PS4 didn't need a damn update on launch to remove DRM,yeah it wasn't need it because DRM wasn't there..

How do we know that? LMAO!! You're an engineer working for Sony or something? Sony had a day one (Day two & Day 3 patch as well. You couldn't even play a blu-ray movie without the patch. I still don't think music CD or music files will run on the PS4. Took Sony 2 months just to address the BLOD issues.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/INFO-Blinking-Blue-Light-PS4-Issues/td-p/42154071

Sony even patented DRM, so we know it was on their minds and they were thinking about the future using it. You'd be a complete fool not to realize that. Sony has lied about a ton of thing. Just accept it that they aren't perfect. It's funny how you always bring up M$ and XB1 every time there's something negative being discussed about Sony and the PS4. LMAO!! You do that a lot when you have no real defense.

People have clearly forgotten SONYs policy of over promising and under delivering just like very other company out there.

102FPS , 4D anyone?

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#161 Edited by y7jzdgy (38 posts) -

Yoshida confirms PS4 DOES have DRM

/thread.

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#162 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@y7jzdgy said:

Yoshida confirms PS4 DOES have DRM

/thread.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

No.

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#163 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6843 posts) -

@y7jzdgy said:

Yoshida confirms PS4 DOES have DRM

/thread.

AnchormanV is an idiot. Yoshida's referring to digital content. You need to activate the PS4 so the licenses work.

Lemmings continue their commitment to abject stupidity.

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#164 Edited by sts106mat (24148 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@sts106mat said:

Grenade launcher still failing to read posts properly and confirming himself as one of the biggest prats on the internet.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it sts?

Yep, they all do it, delta. Apple and Samsung have been fighting it out over their patents. Business is business. Deal with it.

@blackace said:

How do we know that? LMAO!! You're an engineer working for Sony or something? Sony had a day one (Day two & Day 3 patch as well. You couldn't even play a blu-ray movie without the patch. I still don't think music CD or music files will run on the PS4. Took Sony 2 months just to address the BLOD issues.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/INFO-Blinking-Blue-Light-PS4-Issues/td-p/42154071

Sony even patented DRM, so we know it was on their minds and they were thinking about the future using it. You'd be a complete fool not to realize that. Sony has lied about a ton of thing. Just accept it that they aren't perfect. It's funny how you always bring up M$ and XB1 every time there's something negative being discussed about Sony and the PS4. LMAO!! You do that a lot when you have no real defense.

You can play games on the PS4 without the day one patch. More proof.

Not been a good day for the lemmings. First Sniper Elite 3 is a disaster on the Xbone despite the newer SDKs, then House confirms that MS was going to be unilaterally malignant, then MS unofficially cancel every Xbone is a dev kit. No wonder there's been so much impotent frustration today.

LMAO

reading comprehension? WTF are you trying to imply? Delta mentioned patent trolls ages back, you aren't informing either of us of anything we didn't already know. Yet you fail to see this several times already.

You arguing with yourself about nothing and looking stupid as usual.

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#165 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6843 posts) -

@sts106mat said:

reading comprehension? WTF are you trying to imply? Delta mentioned patent trolls ages back, you aren't informing either of us of anything we didn't already know. Yet you fail to see this several times already.

You arguing with yourself about nothing and looking stupid as usual.

Cute little narrative you've set up for yourself so you can prop up your Xbox love. Either they were planning to do it or "patent trolls!" which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. MS decided to be unilaterally malignant. Get over it.

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#166 Edited by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

Well, Microsoft dun' goofed. Consequences will never be the same.

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#167 Posted by kingtito (8701 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@sts106mat said:

reading comprehension? WTF are you trying to imply? Delta mentioned patent trolls ages back, you aren't informing either of us of anything we didn't already know. Yet you fail to see this several times already.

You arguing with yourself about nothing and looking stupid as usual.

Cute little narrative you've set up for yourself so you can prop up your Xbox love. Either they were planning to do it or "patent trolls!" which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. MS decided to be unilaterally malignant. Get over it.

It would be ignorant not acknowledge that Sony at least had SOME thought of possibly using it. They were very quiet when asked the question about DRM when rumors started swirling about MSs DRM. If they NEVER had plans on using it then they would have flat out said no DRM.

Sony fanboys continue to show how ignorant and blind they are. Subject title says NEVER and in this industry it would be asinine to use that word NEVER. Sony thought about it, did they use it? No but you can bet they thought about it especially with all the devs complaining about piracy and used game sales they get no part in.

Stop being such clowns cows, especially you super cow TC.

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#168 Edited by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@kingtito said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@sts106mat said:

reading comprehension? WTF are you trying to imply? Delta mentioned patent trolls ages back, you aren't informing either of us of anything we didn't already know. Yet you fail to see this several times already.

You arguing with yourself about nothing and looking stupid as usual.

Cute little narrative you've set up for yourself so you can prop up your Xbox love. Either they were planning to do it or "patent trolls!" which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. MS decided to be unilaterally malignant. Get over it.

It would be ignorant not acknowledge that Sony at least had SOME thought of possibly using it. They were very quiet when asked the question about DRM when rumors started swirling about MSs DRM. If they NEVER had plans on using it then they would have flat out said no DRM.

Sony fanboys continue to show how ignorant and blind they are. Subject title says NEVER and in this industry it would be asinine to use that word NEVER. Sony thought about it, did they use it? No but you can bet they thought about it especially with all the devs complaining about piracy and used game sales they get no part in.

Stop being such clowns cows, especially you super cow TC.

You just never entertain the possibility that Sony remained quiet on the subject so that MS would be too far into product development to easily reverse their decisions to fall in line with the market.

OH NO, CAN'T BE THAT!

It's always the other way around, which is fucking goddamn horseshit and a half. MS even boxed up and shipped XBones with no goddamn OS because they had to 180 on their DRM 10th Hour style while PS4 production, from beginning to end, was on time and on schedule.

COULDN'T BE THAT! NO WAY!

Please, continue pinning this tail on the wrong donkey. You're missing the mark all the time. However, it is hilarious to watch! Despite any and all evidence to the contrary, you are so blinded by MSes nutsack dangling in your collective faces, you just exist outside of reality.

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#169 Edited by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

You're stupid if you believe they would tell the truth on this. I'm not saying they were planning DRM, I'm saying even if they were, given how it played out with MS, they would never ever tell us they were gonna do it especially given where we currently are in 2014.

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#170 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@ActicEdge said:

You're stupid if you believe they would tell the truth on this. I'm not saying they were planning DRM, I'm saying even if they were, given how it played out with MS, they would never ever tell us they were gonna do it especially given where we currently are in 2014.

Ignoring the fact that Andrew House said the standard model has been successful for them. XBox is really only a name in developed first world countries with robust internet. 360 was the quintessential white suburbia machine. Playstation has a much farther global reach. It doesn't behoove Sony to abandon their business model to do what MS sought to do with XBone. It's not their bread basket.

So, you're actually stupid for believing Sony would have plans for PS4 along the lines of always connected DRM or shutting out used sales. Sony doesn't announce their long life-cycles for Playstation as just a sound bite. They actually have market penetration in lower budget territories where people have barely heard of an XBox and certainly don't have a whole lot of broadband.

It was never going to happen. Sony played MS and its fanboys like a fiddle on every subject ranging from 4GBs of RAM to DRM. It's a game that was lost before it ever began, yet oh so many are still willing to play as this thread underlines and puts in bold.

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#171 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

Now we have reached that part of the thread @GreySeal9

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#172 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

Ignoring the fact that Andrew House said the standard model has been successful for them. XBox is really only a name in developed first world countries with robust internet. 360 was the quintessential white suburbia machine. Playstation has a much farther global reach. It doesn't behoove Sony to abandon their business model to do what MS sought to do with XBone. It's not their bread basket.

So, you're actually stupid for believing Sony would have plans for PS4 along the lines of always connected DRM or shutting out used sales. Sony doesn't announce their long life-cycles for Playstation as just a sound bite. They actually have market penetration in lower budget territories where people have barely heard of an XBox and certainly don't have a whole lot of broadband.

It was never going to happen. Sony played MS and its fanboys like a fiddle on every subject ranging from 4GBs of RAM to DRM. It's a game that was lost before it ever began, yet oh so many are still willing to play as this thread underlines and puts in bold.

You didn't read any of what I said. I said that they would never tell us the truth about this because it serves zero purpose to disclose they were going to do something that the gaming community vehemently was so opposed to and made a shit ton of noise about. Why would they destroy their good will of not supporting DRM by saying "yo, we were gonna do it but yall bitched so much we changed our position"?

That is entirely different from me actually thinking they were going to implement it. But of course you're being silly and coming up with some more dramatic story of chess master like baiting and switching which is quite frankly just crazy. In 2014 with their market share and gamer good will, they are not going to admit that they were thinking the same thing as their competition who got eviscerated for it because that would be stupid. Nobody external to Sony knows the truth so there is zero reason for them to bring it into the spot light. And you're stupid if you think they would.

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#173 Posted by Shadowchronicle (26969 posts) -
@ActicEdge said:

@Shewgenja said:

Ignoring the fact that Andrew House said the standard model has been successful for them. XBox is really only a name in developed first world countries with robust internet. 360 was the quintessential white suburbia machine. Playstation has a much farther global reach. It doesn't behoove Sony to abandon their business model to do what MS sought to do with XBone. It's not their bread basket.

So, you're actually stupid for believing Sony would have plans for PS4 along the lines of always connected DRM or shutting out used sales. Sony doesn't announce their long life-cycles for Playstation as just a sound bite. They actually have market penetration in lower budget territories where people have barely heard of an XBox and certainly don't have a whole lot of broadband.

It was never going to happen. Sony played MS and its fanboys like a fiddle on every subject ranging from 4GBs of RAM to DRM. It's a game that was lost before it ever began, yet oh so many are still willing to play as this thread underlines and puts in bold.

You didn't read any of what I said. I said that they would never tell us the truth about this because it serves zero purpose to disclose they were going to do something that the gaming community vehemently was so opposed to and made a shit ton of noise about. Why would they destroy their good will of not supporting DRM by saying "yo, we were gonna do it but yall bitched so much we changed our position"?

That is entirely different from me actually thinking they were going to implement it. But of course you're being silly and coming up with some more dramatic story of chess master like baiting and switching which is quite frankly just crazy. In 2014 with their market share and gamer good will, they are not going to admit that they were thinking the same thing as their competition who got eviscerated for it because that would be stupid. Nobody external to Sony knows the truth so there is zero reason for them to bring it into the spot light. And you're stupid if you think they would.

He still hasn't replied to any of the people who has said that people don't patent stuff for the shits and giggles because it completely disproves his point that Sony NEVER thought of DRM or even considered doing it.

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#174 Edited by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@shadowchronicle said:

He still hasn't replied to any of the people who has said that people don't patent stuff for the shits and giggles because it completely disproves his point that Sony NEVER thought of DRM or even considered doing it.

My answer is, give me a time line. How long is a patent good for? Was it going to be used for PS4 or PS8?

Would even Yoshida have an honest answer for that? The answer is no. A patent gets filed and if there is a glimmer of hope it may be used in the future, it gets renewed and the same chuckleheads who used this as some kind of proof the PS4 would be XBone's inbred cousin will come right out of the floor boards where they've been hiding again.

How's that for an answer?

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#175 Edited by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@shadowchronicle said:

He still hasn't replied to any of the people who has said that people don't patent stuff for the shits and giggles because it completely disproves his point that Sony NEVER thought of DRM or even considered doing it.

Well often times companies will patent a bunch of ideas just so should they show interest in the concept later they can revisit it and make money off of anyone who would want to use said idea. The existence of a patent doesn't really imply that it's going to be pursued in the immediate future. If you file a patent 20 years ago and now you use it, the whole landscape of discussion is so entirely different that you could very easily not have any intention of using it until market landscape would support it. So I don't necessarily disagree with him there. But it's pure stupidity to think all this was just coincidence either given the time frame of when Sony patented this DRM technique, when MS announced DRM, Sony's utter silence on the issue and then magically how they had a whole E3 tailored to shitting on MS. It's also completely fucking stupid for anyone to believe in the console industry, where the landscape to gaming and innovation is constantly changing, a patent they file now will be revisited in 20 years. It realistically won't be.

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#176 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

Bringing up patents is just wagging the dog. Not even Cerny or Yoshida would know when/if those patents would be implemented on an actual retail machine of any sort. Just more smoke and mirrors for the XBox fanboy contingent to lull themselves into false pomposity.

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#177 Posted by kingtito (8701 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@kingtito said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@sts106mat said:

reading comprehension? WTF are you trying to imply? Delta mentioned patent trolls ages back, you aren't informing either of us of anything we didn't already know. Yet you fail to see this several times already.

You arguing with yourself about nothing and looking stupid as usual.

Cute little narrative you've set up for yourself so you can prop up your Xbox love. Either they were planning to do it or "patent trolls!" which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. MS decided to be unilaterally malignant. Get over it.

It would be ignorant not acknowledge that Sony at least had SOME thought of possibly using it. They were very quiet when asked the question about DRM when rumors started swirling about MSs DRM. If they NEVER had plans on using it then they would have flat out said no DRM.

Sony fanboys continue to show how ignorant and blind they are. Subject title says NEVER and in this industry it would be asinine to use that word NEVER. Sony thought about it, did they use it? No but you can bet they thought about it especially with all the devs complaining about piracy and used game sales they get no part in.

Stop being such clowns cows, especially you super cow TC.

You just never entertain the possibility that Sony remained quiet on the subject so that MS would be too far into product development to easily reverse their decisions to fall in line with the market.

OH NO, CAN'T BE THAT!

It's always the other way around, which is fucking goddamn horseshit and a half. MS even boxed up and shipped XBones with no goddamn OS because they had to 180 on their DRM 10th Hour style while PS4 production, from beginning to end, was on time and on schedule.

COULDN'T BE THAT! NO WAY!

Please, continue pinning this tail on the wrong donkey. You're missing the mark all the time. However, it is hilarious to watch! Despite any and all evidence to the contrary, you are so blinded by MSes nutsack dangling in your collective faces, you just exist outside of reality.

Wishful thinking cow. MS reversed BEFORE the XOne launched. You're ignorant if you think Sony NEVER entertained the thought of using it at some point.

Not really sure what that has to do with what I said cow. You stated NEVER and to make that statement would mean you were top brass at Sony and in all the meetings regarding anything to do with the PS4. Sony filed a patent, doesn't matter if they used it or not. There is still reasonable doubt that they at least entertained the thought. Stop being such a def, dumb and blind Sony fanboy.

What evidence cow? A Sony employee making the statement LONG after the consoles have released? Could be just another Sony PR stunt could it cow? Sony NEVER lies right cow?

Where am I defending MS or even bringing MS into the equation? Dude, your head is so far up Sony's ass that it's blinded all rational thought from your mind. Stop drinking the Sony kool-aid cow. BTW cow, MS has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying nor am I defending their actions.

Stop being a clown cow.

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#178 Edited by Shadowchronicle (26969 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@shadowchronicle said:

He still hasn't replied to any of the people who has said that people don't patent stuff for the shits and giggles because it completely disproves his point that Sony NEVER thought of DRM or even considered doing it.

My answer is, give me a time line. How long is a patent good for? Was it going to be used for PS4 or PS8?

Would even Yoshida have an honest answer for that? The answer is no. A patent gets filed and if there is a glimmer of hope it may be used in the future, it gets renewed and the same chuckleheads who used this as some kind of proof the PS4 would be XBone's inbred cousin will come right out of the floor boards where they've been hiding again.

How's that for an answer?

That's not the point. It completely destroys the whole point of this topic because you don't just patent things for nothing. They can have a use if it fits their purpose. It is a possibility, a path they can go down because they think it is an option. Like Actic said its all just a fucking coincidence that DRM is a heavy topic that year and Sony suddenly goes for the possibility.

You don't patent things unless you think they can have a possible use. Unless people in their marketing section are completely stupid and just patent things because they can.

Regardless they thought of it and they did have the motive to do it. It was their decision in the end that mattered.

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#179 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

Bringing up patents is just wagging the dog. Not even Cerny or Yoshida would know when/if those patents would be implemented on an actual retail machine of any sort. Just more smoke and mirrors for the XBox fanboy contingent to lull themselves into false pomposity.

These aren't random patents, they are patents that are rather specific that came out pretty damn close (some 6 months earlier or so if I remember correctly) to the whole DRM Xbox thing. Random patents are things that you just use to cover your ass for any knock off or crazy weird implementation. These patents are not something the lawyer/engineer goons would just fucking come up with for no reasons. You think a company is gonna give them money to patent shit like this for no reason? Especially given Sony's financial situation. Are you stupid?

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#180 Edited by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@cainetao11 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@Chutebox said:

@cainetao11:

Maybe, but there is no evidence that they would be doing it down the line either. I don't see any reason for people to be attacking OP for this.

If the TC had simply argued that what's important is that Sony never implemented or announced DRM policies, nobody would be mocking him. He is being mocked for is pretending to know Sony's intentions and using their own words as evidence of this. As a fellow PlayStation fan, you might feel sympathetic towards the TC, but others will not be so kind toward such naive cheerleading.

@Chutebox Did you not read the thread title? Or read the link as proof to back it up? Why on earth would any rational human being who IS NOT in love with a corporation believe a paid employee when he says his employer was never going to implement what has become the worst, and stupidest move in recent console history, despite patent filed, that allude to at least having the option?

Ya, I know. Patent means jack shit, though. If MS did very well and the sales were changed, Sony would have done the same. No arguing that.

It means they at least reserved the option. People want to write it off as nothing, and while it certainly doesn't mean Sony was going the DRM route it does mean they wanted the possibility of using it.

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#181 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

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#182 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

@Shewgenja said:

Is it really so hard for people to wrap their heads around the fact that Sony sells Playstations in countries that MSes XBox Division can't even pronounce? Why would they implement crazy DRM on the PS4 if the global infrastructure just isn't in place to align it with the Playstation business model??

You guys can argue "teh logic" and "teh patents" and the "Why WOULDN'T Sony do it?" all you want but the real story here is that MS made a calculated mistake in putting a glowing target on the forehead of the most developed countries and said "Here, this product is for you. You can be tethered to our money-leeching network ALL THE TIME NOW." and forgot that people with internet also do things like communicate on forums about how terrible such ideas are.

ALL you guys can do is try to pin the tail on the Sony donkey at this point and IT NEVER GETS OLD WATCHING YOU TRY.

Dude you made a flag waving provocative thread, what did you expect to happen, everyone else to bow with at the Sony worshipping altar?

Sony completely outmaneuvered MS, who thought Sony would go down the same path, don't make it seem like Sony are some paragon of virtue. They are a business, a corporation, who want your money every bit as much as MS. You're blind in your devotion if you think they didn't weigh the pros and cons and decided that it was more profitable not to do it. If they had thought the opposite you can be sure they would have. Its the same as last gen when cows accused MS of money grabbing with XBL and claimed they'd never pay to play online and now they do. You're fooling yourself if you believe that Sony or any major corporation cares about YOU.

That was precisely the point of my post. XBox is for white suburban US youth. They just forgot that people actually talk about issues on the internet rather than just lay down and accept whatever is pushed on them by corporate overlords. The protection from this type of exploitation is precisely one of Sonys strengths. They have a multinational footprint.

We actually agree on the issues, if our delivery is dissimilar. It just didn't pay to be a MuricaBox fanboy and this thread proves it.

That's some of the stupidest generalizing I've read in a long time. I grew up in the Bronx NY, hardly a suburb. And spare me the Sony multinational foot print crap. They and MS are businesses, period. The protection from exploitation? So you disagree with what blue_hazy_basic said then? They weren't trying to protect anyone. They saw an incredible blunder by a competitor and did the opposite. That isn't protecting you, that's them doing whats right for their bottom line.

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#183 Edited by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Just the fact that you say this makes it incredibly obvious you don't know anything about business.

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#184 Edited by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

That's some of the stupidest generalizing I've read in a long time. I grew up in the Bronx NY, hardly a suburb. And spare me the Sony multinational foot print crap. They and MS are businesses, period. The protection from exploitation? So you disagree with what blue_hazy_basic said then? They weren't trying to protect anyone. They saw an incredible blunder by a competitor and did the opposite. That isn't protecting you, that's them doing whats right for their bottom line.

UMadBro?

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#185 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (30811 posts) -

@cainetao11: I don't think they saw MS's blunder and corrected it. I believe MS thought Sony would follow them, whilst Sony at E3 always planned to announce no DRM. What I was saying was that I'm sure they considered it and then decided that it would harm rather than benefit their bottom line.

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#186 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@tormentos:

How is that relevant? It shows that Sony is far from a perfect saint. And the delaying of a gaming console just to put what was at the time an HD movie format in? Well X1 is put down as a TV box. But in 2006 it was all good to make HD format most important in a games console? Dude your whole reply to that list of Sony links was absolute dramatic posturing. I posted it from another user and explained why I did in the post. And all you go on about is relevancy? Even though I explained why I introduced it to you? You're slow or something man.

The matter of this thread was decided already to anyone NOT sucking Kaz' nuts. But for the last time I will state it. None of us knows what Sony was going to do in regards to DRM. But saying they were NEVER going to do anything with it, even though they filed a patent for it, which does give them the option should they want to is pure blind devotion and not grounded in reality. Especially when your evidence to back up the claim is employees of the company saying it. Most of us are intelligent enough to know by now, if they pay a person a salary chances are that person wont bite the hand that feeds them.

Carry on with your love affair fella.

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#187 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@ActicEdge said:

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Just the fact that you say this makes it incredibly obvious you don't know anything about business.

It was a silly post to see who would bite. Clearly, you've got your business trousers on Mr. Serious Pants.

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#188 Edited by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@cainetao11 said:

That's some of the stupidest generalizing I've read in a long time. I grew up in the Bronx NY, hardly a suburb. And spare me the Sony multinational foot print crap. They and MS are businesses, period. The protection from exploitation? So you disagree with what blue_hazy_basic said then? They weren't trying to protect anyone. They saw an incredible blunder by a competitor and did the opposite. That isn't protecting you, that's them doing whats right for their bottom line.

UMadBro?

Just finished my chemistry final yesterday so yes.....................I'm a MAD SCIENTIST/CHEMIST NOW HUAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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#189 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@ActicEdge said:

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Just the fact that you say this makes it incredibly obvious you don't know anything about business.

It was a silly post to see who would bite. Clearly, you've got your business trousers on Mr. Serious Pants.

With all the stuff you've been claiming in this thread, that comment was not a dramatic leap of faith tbh. Just sayin . . .

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#190 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@blue_hazy_basic:

You're probably right. My whole point all through this thread has been saying NEVER based on the utterings of human beings paid by Sony is ridiculous and not credible evidence.

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#191 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Nah, MS needed no nudging. I believe they really thought they were going to blow people away with their concept. One of those dolts probably thought they were bringing the steam concept to consoles. They Failed.

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#192 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

Alright. Let me get my Serious Pants on for a minute, because all of you really missed what happened a year ago.

You had a major publisher like EA publicly pledging support and exclusive titles to the XBone before there was any DRM reversal. That is a fact.

You had the number 1 platform for the second largest gaming market in the world saying they were going to lasso all titles under an all-encompassing DRM scheme.

You had an entire industry rotating the rumor mill about Sony ranging from a major console maker not returning to Gen8 to it being significantly weaker and having less RAM.

Nintendo launched the WiiU and every analyst that could grab a keyboard was writing about how Generation 8 was doomed before it ever began since Android and iOS games were clearly taking over where Sony, MS and Nintendo are leaving off.

Now, if you're Sony, you're looking at market conditions before the public unveiling of PS4 and the writing is on the wall. The industry has all their chips stacked in the new XBoxes favor and even EA is sitting closely by Microsoft and dipping its toes in the pool over there. The worst-case scenario is that the publishers simply tuck tail and run over to your competitor and since you have no such plans to clip Gamestop and second hand sales out, those publishers feel that they have a major incentive to simply skip your platform as time goes on or cut you out from the onset and save the bleeding.

Do you know what you do if you are Sony? You get with the times and you implement a crazy DRM scheme so that the publishers don't have an incentive to cut you out. That's the real reason for that patent. It was EA giving MS handies before the XBone was ever revealed that spooked the shit out of Sony. While XBox fans were pouring onto the forums feeding to the rumor mill anything from "What if Madden became exclusive to XBox?" (Don't act like you didn't see those posts here and elsewhere or I will laugh in your face.) It was a bet that had to be hedged against the consumer being dumb enough to NOT rage when the truth came out about the new XBox. It was a bet hedged against the publishers saying "No, I don't want to make 1080p AAA expense-fests on a machine that undermines our bit unit sales with the second hand market."

Yet, you goddamn XBox fanboys find a way.. Every time.. To point the finger back at Sony even when your precious XBone shipped without a working O/S because of Microsofts raging hard-on for your wallet and consumer rights. You continue this charade, to the point where I have to give a treatise on the state of videogaming a year ago since you aren't willing to listen. Call me what you want. Call anyone who doesn't support your fallacious crap platform anything less than gaming Jesus what you want. The game is up, though. You don't have a cartwheel that makes you escape the facts.

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#193 Posted by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Nah, MS needed no nudging. I believe they really thought they were going to blow people away with their concept. One of those dolts probably thought they were bringing the steam concept to consoles. They Failed.

No, what they thought was that the big publishers were going to fall in line with them and cut out the second-hand sales market.

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#194 Edited by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

Alright. Let me get my Serious Pants on for a minute, because all of you really missed what happened a year ago.

You had a major publisher like EA publicly pledging support and exclusive titles to the XBone before there was any DRM reversal. That is a fact.

You had the number 1 platform for the second largest gaming market in the world saying they were going to lasso all titles under an all-encompassing DRM scheme.

You had an entire industry rotating the rumor mill about Sony ranging from a major console maker not returning to Gen8 to it being significantly weaker and having less RAM.

Nintendo launched the WiiU and every analyst that could grab a keyboard was writing about how Generation 8 was doomed before it ever began since Android and iOS games were clearly taking over where Sony, MS and Nintendo are leaving off.

Now, if you're Sony, you're looking at market conditions before the public unveiling of PS4 and the writing is on the wall. The industry has all their chips stacked in the new XBoxes favor and even EA is sitting closely by Microsoft and dipping its toes in the pool over there. The worst-case scenario is that the publishers simply tuck tail and run over to your competitor and since you have no such plans to clip Gamestop and second hand sales out, those publishers feel that they have a major incentive to simply skip your platform as time goes on or cut you out from the onset and save the bleeding.

Do you know what you do if you are Sony? You get with the times and you implement a crazy DRM scheme so that the publishers don't have an incentive to cut you out. That's the real reason for that patent. It was EA giving MS handies before the XBone was ever revealed that spooked the shit out of Sony. While XBox fans were pouring onto the forums feeding to the rumor mill anything from "What if Madden became exclusive to XBox?" (Don't act like you didn't see those posts here and elsewhere or I will laugh in your face.) It was a bet that had to be hedged against the consumer being dumb enough to NOT rage when the truth came out about the new XBox. It was a bet hedged against the publishers saying "No, I don't want to make 1080p AAA expense-fests on a machine that undermines our bit unit sales with the second hand market."

Yet, you goddamn XBox fanboys find a way.. Every time.. To point the finger back at Sony even when your precious XBone shipped without a working O/S because of Microsofts raging hard-on for your wallet and consumer rights. You continue this charade, to the point where I have to give a treatise on the state of videogaming a year ago since you aren't willing to listen. Call me what you want. Call anyone who doesn't support your fallacious crap platform anything less than gaming Jesus what you want. The game is up, though. You don't have a cartwheel that makes you escape the facts.

To give you a really simple response, publishers would not stiff arm Sony into DRM because they still sell a major chunk of their software on Sony systems. It's in their benefit to get their games on as many successful platforms as possible. What EA offered MS was a bunch of DLC and timed exclusives. EA gonna EA as usual. There were people saying publishers might try to force Sony to follow suit but really, once I actually looked at the reality of the market, they could force shit and hey, they didn't force shit in the end. That still has nothing to do with the fact that someone paid by Sony isn't going to tell the truth about something related to Sony if it's negative and unnecessary. That's just common sense. This post of yours though, this is some dramatic stuff.

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#195 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Shewgenja said:

I'd shit myself laughing if Sony's one and only reason for filing that patent was to troll MS into going forward with XBones fuckery.

Nah, MS needed no nudging. I believe they really thought they were going to blow people away with their concept. One of those dolts probably thought they were bringing the steam concept to consoles. They Failed.

No, what they thought was that the big publishers were going to fall in line with them and cut out the second-hand sales market.

No, what they thought was that Satan is the true power and they are the antichrist. They want to bring forth Beelzabub into our existence, and not just in suburban America, pal. Oh yeah, the dark ones are coming for you, me, all of us!!! Sony save us!!!!!!

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#196 Edited by Shewgenja (18848 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

No, what they thought was that Satan is the true power and they are the antichrist. They want to bring forth Beelzabub into our existence, and not just in suburban America, pal. Oh yeah, the dark ones are coming for you, me, all of us!!! Sony save us!!!!!!

:) A simple #ThankYouBasedCerny will suffice, Cainetao11.

But on the real, we're just trading conspiracy theories and spin, now. I hope that's not lost on you. One machine shipped without an O/S, though. You're the one defending all that lol

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#197 Posted by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@ActicEdge said:

@Shewgenja said:

Alright. Let me get my Serious Pants on for a minute, because all of you really missed what happened a year ago.

You had a major publisher like EA publicly pledging support and exclusive titles to the XBone before there was any DRM reversal. That is a fact.

You had the number 1 platform for the second largest gaming market in the world saying they were going to lasso all titles under an all-encompassing DRM scheme.

You had an entire industry rotating the rumor mill about Sony ranging from a major console maker not returning to Gen8 to it being significantly weaker and having less RAM.

Nintendo launched the WiiU and every analyst that could grab a keyboard was writing about how Generation 8 was doomed before it ever began since Android and iOS games were clearly taking over where Sony, MS and Nintendo are leaving off.

Now, if you're Sony, you're looking at market conditions before the public unveiling of PS4 and the writing is on the wall. The industry has all their chips stacked in the new XBoxes favor and even EA is sitting closely by Microsoft and dipping its toes in the pool over there. The worst-case scenario is that the publishers simply tuck tail and run over to your competitor and since you have no such plans to clip Gamestop and second hand sales out, those publishers feel that they have a major incentive to simply skip your platform as time goes on or cut you out from the onset and save the bleeding.

Do you know what you do if you are Sony? You get with the times and you implement a crazy DRM scheme so that the publishers don't have an incentive to cut you out. That's the real reason for that patent. It was EA giving MS handies before the XBone was ever revealed that spooked the shit out of Sony. While XBox fans were pouring onto the forums feeding to the rumor mill anything from "What if Madden became exclusive to XBox?" (Don't act like you didn't see those posts here and elsewhere or I will laugh in your face.) It was a bet that had to be hedged against the consumer being dumb enough to NOT rage when the truth came out about the new XBox. It was a bet hedged against the publishers saying "No, I don't want to make 1080p AAA expense-fests on a machine that undermines our bit unit sales with the second hand market."

Yet, you goddamn XBox fanboys find a way.. Every time.. To point the finger back at Sony even when your precious XBone shipped without a working O/S because of Microsofts raging hard-on for your wallet and consumer rights. You continue this charade, to the point where I have to give a treatise on the state of videogaming a year ago since you aren't willing to listen. Call me what you want. Call anyone who doesn't support your fallacious crap platform anything less than gaming Jesus what you want. The game is up, though. You don't have a cartwheel that makes you escape the facts.

To give you a really simple response, publishers would not stiff arm Sony into DRM because they still sell a major chunk of their software on Sony systems. It's in their benefit to get their games on as many successful platforms as possible. What EA offered MS was a bunch of DLC and timed exclusives. EA gonna EA as usual. There were people saying publishers might try to force Sony to follow suit but really, once I actually looked at the reality of the market, they could force shit and hey, they didn't force shit in the end. That still has nothing to do with the fact that someone paid by Sony isn't going to tell the truth about something related to Sony if it's negative and unnecessary. That's just common sense. This post of yours though, this is some dramatic stuff.

Agreed. My favorite part is "That's the real reason for the patent" No wonder you believe what any Sony employee says Shewgenja, you might actually think you work with them. You really believe because you have an opinion of the reason for the patent, that its the real reason? Dude get in touch with reality. None of us knows what Sony thought about in regards to DRM, whether Cow, Lem, Sheep, Hermit or tormentos. What cant be refuted is Sony didn't announce it, MS did. Sony did file a patent for DRM. Human beings do lie.

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#198 Edited by cainetao11 (32304 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@cainetao11 said:

No, what they thought was that Satan is the true power and they are the antichrist. They want to bring forth Beelzabub into our existence, and not just in suburban America, pal. Oh yeah, the dark ones are coming for you, me, all of us!!! Sony save us!!!!!!

:) A simple #ThankYouBasedCerny will suffice, Cainetao11.

But on the real, we're just trading conspiracy theories and spin, now. I hope that's not lost on you. One machine shipped without an O/S, though. You're the one defending all that lol

LOL I'm just going to continue doing business with these companies for the things I make use of. None of them love or care about me.

Edit: Ok, and one of those companies had to be sued to fess up to their own faults years back. You know both have a long list of negatives, but MS has had the recent one. As surely as night follows day Sony will have another negative because they are run by human beings and none of us are perfect. I still do business with them. I wont deny myself games I want to play by pretending one is good and holy and the other isn't. Always thought that contradicted the term gamer. As in GAMES. I want to play more than just one manufacturers.

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#199 Posted by LadyBlue (4943 posts) -

That's great & all.... but drm is gone for now, why not be happy for that.

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#200 Edited by SolidTy (49991 posts) -

This reminds me of patents from the PS2 era back in 2004-2005 when these patents had internet speculators around the net and in especially here in SW claiming the industry and especially Sony's next machine wouldn't play used games due to anti consumer "no used game DRM".

This is from 2005, prior to the PS3s launch in 2006: http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/08/playstation-3-wont-play-used-games/

Remember too, there are tons of articles on this "PS3 no used games" subject back then and SW was inundated with topics about the upcoming PS3 not supporting used games back in 2005-2007. Each article had their own spin, this particular article wasn't nearly as abrasive as other articles I read on the same subject way back when. It seems like only yesterday...

PlayStation 3 won't play used games? The latest rumor, generated from several patent sites, claims that Sony has secured a patent for a disk technology that prevents the use of used, as well as pirated, software. From the registered patent description.

Does Sony plan to employ this technology in the PlayStation 3? If so, PS3 owners would not be able to rent (used) games or borrow their friends' games—or even purchase used games! Sure, the technology could be used for Blu-Ray movies, but for games? It just won't go down like that… right?