@mems_1224: the gap of the hardware wasn't.
The fact that that gap allowed for more games on PS4 to be 1080p in 2016 was.
SONY Exec On Specs Difference Between The Neo and scorpio Is All Rumor
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@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224 said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224: the gap of the hardware wasn't.
The fact that that gap allowed for more games on PS4 to be 1080p in 2016 was.
k
Hate ppl that give others a hard time but can't take it.
@mems_1224 said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224 said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224: the gap of the hardware wasn't.
The fact that that gap allowed for more games on PS4 to be 1080p in 2016 was.
k
Hate ppl that give others a hard time but can't take it.
K
@delta3074 said:
they have already sent Dev kits for the NEO to game developers bit late to change the specs now.
“Sony is now openly sharing this specification with developers and while Giant Bomb beat us to the punch, we have access to the same documentation.
“There is no doubt - this is real. This is the new, more powerful PlayStation 4.”
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/662496/PS4-5-Sony-dev-kits-NEO-PlayStation-4K-console-release-date
You are clutching at straws the Scorpio will be more powerful than the Neo by a bigger margin than the Ps4 to xbox one.
Get over it it's not that big a deal, it's only cows that are obsessed with more power.
That would not be a problem specially of the specs are change for the better,developers kits change all the time,is basically a PC that emulate everything the console has,at least this ones.
I remember when MS had no 360 dev kits because final dev kits were late,and developer were making games using other GPU,in fact Gears of War was shown on E3 running on 2 6800ultra in SLI which were kits using a different GPU from the one on xbox 360,the same happen on E3 2013 were several xbox one games were running on Nvidia Hardware it basically means nothing,and the spec can be change if that is what sony want to do.
Scorpio will be powerful than Neo there is no doubt about that,how ever for how much it remain to be see,as GPU with high TF count don't scale linearly.
For example..
Check the 7970 vs 7850 vs 7770.
The 7770 has 10CU 1ghz speed,and reach on this test 17FPS.
The 7850 has 16CU at 860mhz yet does 32FPS,so the 7850 with 60% more CU than the 7770 can almost double the 7770 frame wise with 32FPS,double of 17 is 34FPS so the 7850 is 2 frames shy or doubling the 7770.
But lets move and compare the 7970 vs the 7850.
The 7970 has 32CU and does 49FPS 56FPS on the ghz model,so lets say it does 56FPS.
The 7850 does 32FPS,double of 32FPS is 64FPS so even on the ghz edition the 7970 fall short of doubling the 7850 even that it has double the CU,is 8 FPS from doubling it,when the 7850 doesn't have double the CU of a 7770 yet is 2 frames from doubling it.
The 7870 more than double the 7770,with double the amount of CU 20,but you don't see that in the 7970 vs the 7850,because of what MS it self describe as diminishing returns.
On paper Neo and Scorpio gap look big,if you compare it with the PS4 and XBO gap,but if you find GPU of high flop count and compare them you see the returns are bad,and the difference in performance relative to flop count is way smaller than the amount of flop would suggest.
Now look at the Fury X performance vs the R290 performance.
The Fury does 109 FPS, the R290 does 86FPS so we are talking about a gap about 23FPS between both you know how big the disparity flop wise is between a Fury X and a R290.?
Is 3.7 TF of difference is more than double the difference between Neo and Scorpio which is 1.8TF,i use SWBF3 for the sake of using the same engine.
The 7770 is 1.23TF the 7850 is 1.6TF the gap is flops is not even 400 Gflops,yet is enough to create a 15FPS gap between both GPU,the gap between the Fury X and the R290 is 3,700 Gflops yet it only amount to 23FPS disparity,cutting that to 1.8TF would dramatically cut the frame gap.
As you can see the disparity between Neo and Scorpio will not be as telling as the one between the xbox and PS4 simple because diminishing returns affect performance the higher you go and doesn't scale linearly with frames.
@mems_1224 said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224 said:
@mr_huggles_dog said:
@mems_1224: the gap of the hardware wasn't.
The fact that that gap allowed for more games on PS4 to be 1080p in 2016 was.
k
Hate ppl that give others a hard time but can't take it.
LMAO
@tormentos said:
@delta3074 said:
they have already sent Dev kits for the NEO to game developers bit late to change the specs now.
“Sony is now openly sharing this specification with developers and while Giant Bomb beat us to the punch, we have access to the same documentation.
“There is no doubt - this is real. This is the new, more powerful PlayStation 4.”
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/662496/PS4-5-Sony-dev-kits-NEO-PlayStation-4K-console-release-date
You are clutching at straws the Scorpio will be more powerful than the Neo by a bigger margin than the Ps4 to xbox one.
Get over it it's not that big a deal, it's only cows that are obsessed with more power.
That would not be a problem specially of the specs are change for the better,developers kits change all the time,is basically a PC that emulate everything the console has,at least this ones.
I remember when MS had no 360 dev kits because final dev kits were late,and developer were making games using other GPU,in fact Gears of War was shown on E3 running on 2 6800ultra in SLI which were kits using a different GPU from the one on xbox 360,the same happen on E3 2013 were several xbox one games were running on Nvidia Hardware it basically means nothing,and the spec can be change if that is what sony want to do.
Scorpio will be powerful than Neo there is no doubt about that,how ever for how much it remain to be see,as GPU with high TF count don't scale linearly.
For example..
Check the 7970 vs 7850 vs 7770.
The 7770 has 10CU 1ghz speed,and reach on this test 17FPS.
The 7850 has 16CU at 860mhz yet does 32FPS,so the 7850 with 60% more CU than the 7770 can almost double the 7770 frame wise with 32FPS,double of 17 is 34FPS so the 7850 is 2 frames shy or doubling the 7770.
But lets move and compare the 7970 vs the 7850.
The 7970 has 32CU and does 49FPS 56FPS on the ghz model,so lets say it does 56FPS.
The 7850 does 32FPS,double of 32FPS is 64FPS so even on the ghz edition the 7970 fall short of doubling the 7850 even that it has double the CU,is 8 FPS from doubling it,when the 7850 doesn't have double the CU of a 7770 yet is 2 frames from doubling it.
The 7870 more than double the 7770,with double the amount of CU 20,but you don't see that in the 7970 vs the 7850,because of what MS it self describe as diminishing returns.
On paper Neo and Scorpio gap look big,if you compare it with the PS4 and XBO gap,but if you find GPU of high flop count and compare them you see the returns are bad,and the difference in performance relative to flop count is way smaller than the amount of flop would suggest.
Now look at the Fury X performance vs the R290 performance.
The Fury does 109 FPS, the R290 does 86FPS so we are talking about a gap about 23FPS between both you know how big the disparity flop wise is between a Fury X and a R290.?
Is 3.7 TF of difference is more than double the difference between Neo and Scorpio which is 1.8TF,i use SWBF3 for the sake of using the same engine.
The 7770 is 1.23TF the 7850 is 1.6TF the gap is flops is not even 400 Gflops,yet is enough to create a 15FPS gap between both GPU,the gap between the Fury X and the R290 is 3,700 Gflops yet it only amount to 23FPS disparity,cutting that to 1.8TF would dramatically cut the frame gap.
As you can see the disparity between Neo and Scorpio will not be as telling as the one between the xbox and PS4 simple because diminishing returns affect performance the higher you go and doesn't scale linearly with frames.
cheers man, that was quite informative.
i was thinking though, if Developers coded games on the Neo Dev kits without the CPU up clock then that would mean a more stable games would it not?
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