@Jag85 Which means nothing. I haven't beaten a Sonic game since Sonic 4.
Because they were all shit lmao. If Sonic had some good stuff playing since then beside Sonic Mania, you would have played them. Not that it changes anything because I'm not a Mario fan. You are a Sonic fan and I doubt you'd deny this.
Says the fake news peddler who makes baseless claims without any reliable sources to back up his claims.
Sales numbers are baseless claims?
Because it was bundled with more consoles in more regions? What kind of silly argument is this?
And Sonic wasn't bundled? Because the Wikipedia entry does mention "bundled with the Genesis/Mega Drive". Not that it matters, because Mario shits on Sonic games either way.
The sequels sold actual non-bundled units, not bundled units like SMW.
And they still count as sales. Don't try to shift the goalposts unless you can prove exactly how many units each sold non-bundled.
You sure love twisting what other people say. Both Ghost and myself were talking about 16-bit games, not 8-bit games.
No, we aren't. We're talking about the 16-bit ERA per your post (which was in response to MY claim stating Sonic was never more popular or successful than Mario):
And back in the 16-bit era
And there's a reason Nintendo didn't release more mainline Mario games on the SNES, they had other focuses like Mario Kart, RPG, and the GB titles. You think without them Nintendo would have produced a single Mario game and call it a day with their console selling 50M+ units? Sure lol.
You went a step further and mentioned this gem:
Sonic was the more successful series during that generation
We're talking the entire generation Sonic vs Mario. Not just 1 Mario game vs 3 Sonic games (which is heavily stacked in Sonic's favor with numbers alone). The generation from the start of the Genesis/Mega Drive to the start of the Saturn/N64. The argument was that Sonic was never more successful at any point in time than Mario and this rings true for the 16-bit era, unless you wanna be dishonest and count 1 Mario game while ignoring everything else.
Again, no one is talking about 8-bit games or non-platformer spin-offs. We're talking about 16-bit platformers.
Super Mario All-Star remakes a bunch of classic games using 16-bit. They're not 8-bit games.
In Europe, it was far worse... the Mega Drive completely destroyed the SNES in Europe. It wasn't even close. Sonic was beating Mario even worse in Europe than he was in America. And if you want to drag up 8-bit games, Sonic was bundled with millions of Master System consoles across Europe and Brazil during the '90s. The only market where Mario beat Sonic in the 16-bit generation was Japan.
Which is why the sales figures for Mario games are higher? If we discount bundled units if we discount Japan, and if we ignore actual sales data from every other Mario game where Sonic gets torn to shreds. lol
Invalid. We're talking about reception in the early '90s, not the early 2000s.
It's valid because whether it's the early 90's, 2000's, 2010's, or 20's, Super Mario World has always been considered better than any Sonic game. Why do you think there's the meme "Sonic was never good" lol?
I already demonstrated that Sonic 2 got the same MobyRank score as Mario World, based on actual reviews from the '90s. So your claim that Mario World was more critically acclaimed is false. You can argue that it's retrospectively more acclaimed after the 16-bit era had ended, but it was not more acclaimed during the actual 16-bit era.
You mean using this website?
Here
Where most of the reviews are from the 2000's and according to you aren't even valid?
Irrelevant. It doesn't even star Mario.
It's a Super Mario game. It's literally in the name. Don't move the goalposts, you cheater. We're talking about Mario games. Not, "games that star Mario". Because Mario games still count towards Mario's popularity and success during the 16-bit era which is what the argument is about.
Nice try at shifting the goal post. No one said the entire Mario fanbase is jealous of Sonic.
I didn't say the entire fanbase. I asked for the fanbase as a whole aka in general. Is there a general sentiment of jealousy towards the Sonic movie coming from the Mario fanbase? If so, prove it, and no, a couple of Twitter posts don't prove a thing.
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