Should we be worried if the Wii wins?

This is NOT a Wii bashing thread!

(Please read everything to prevent yourself from looking like an idiot :))

     The Wii is doing ridiculously well all across the world. It's still hard to find one and it's said you won't be able to find one easily until at least the end of this year. Why is the Wii so successfull though? Simple; the controller is attractive to casuals/non-gamers and it's very cheap for a video game console. Most casuals and non-gamers are convinced to buy one after playing a little bit of Wii sports. It's not so much Zelda is driving in casuals as much as you may think, it's Wii sports. The simplistic, quick, easy to learn series of mini games. 

     Now why would anyone be a little worried if the Wii wins? It's fun right? Isn't that what games are about anyway? For someone like me, not entirely. For me, I value deep storylines, immersive eviorments, cunning AI and yes... gorgeous graphics (and ofcourse gameplay...duh). Am I a graphic whore simply because I appreciate graphical and technical aspects of a game? No, I can have tons of fun with a less technically advanced game as well, but these things are what really intrest me in new games and systems. Games that can take me places that I haven't been before and give me new experiences through the most current advances in technoligy as well as deliver fantastic gameplay are the games that I love the most (this is why I'm so hyped for Mass Effect). Not just gameplay alone, though gameplay is very important to me still.

     With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did. The Wii focuses more on quick, easy fun with the Wiimote rather than focus on technical and graphical aspects. Now let's say the Wii wins... by a landslide... The mighty titans SONY and Microsoft will scratch there heads and have a collective "Wtf?...". SONY and Microsoft would have both given you fantastic games that give you the most state of the art visuals and immersive stories and inviorments with great gameplay, but that still wouldn't have been as attractive as the Wii's quick and easy fun.

     Could SONY and Microsoft both abandon their value for all the technical wonders that we are all wowed with and go for something similar to the Wii's approach if the Wii wins? One thing is for sure, if the Wii does win, this thought will run through the offices of both Microsoft and SONY as they both make their next generation consoles. Will it happen? No one knows, but you cannot say it can't. That is why someone like me who values the most technically amazing parts of a game is a little worried. I don't want XBOX 360/PS3 graphics and abilities in 2012.

What is with the Wii threads.

And no you should not be worried.
Ollivander

First of all, congratulations on writing a very well thought out post.

I think the ideal thing for the industry would be a very close race between M$ and nintendo. Nintendo is the only company which tried something really different with their console, which could change how games are played, but they didn't advance the technology very much.

microsoft advanced grahics quite alot, but didn't do much to change gaming beyond that. If they came really close or even tied, it might encourage the console makers to make an innovative console with more than just a minor upgrade in power. and that would be awsome.

oh, and thank you for putting that message at the top. i probably wouldn't have read you post if it wasn't there.

First of all, congratulations on writing a very well thought out post.

I think the ideal thing for the industry would be a very close race between M$ and nintendo. Nintendo is the only company which tried something really different with their console, which could change how games are played, but they didn't advance the technology very much.

microsoft advanced grahics quite alot, but didn't do much to change gaming beyond that. If they came really close or even tied, it might encourage the console makers to make an innovative console with more than just a minor upgrade in power. and that would be awsome

BuryMe

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

First of all, congratulations on writing a very well thought out post.

I think the ideal thing for the industry would be a very close race between M$ and nintendo. Nintendo is the only company which tried something really different with their console, which could change how games are played, but they didn't advance the technology very much.

microsoft advanced grahics quite alot, but didn't do much to change gaming beyond that. If they came really close or even tied, it might encourage the console makers to make an innovative console with more than just a minor upgrade in power. and that would be awsome

DA_B0MB

If leading-edge graphics are so important to you, why don't you focus on PC gaming? Microsoft and Sony are focusing so much currently on high-tech that consoles just keep getting more and more expensive, and if Nintendo is able to get across to them the need to rein themselves in a bit then I don't see that as a bad thing at all. Ultimate_Peon

Enough with the Wii threads.TrueReligion_

What I can't understand is why so many people claim that all the Wii will provide is horrible ports, mini-games, and dumbed down efforts by developers.  That somehow it is utterly impossible for the Wii to provide everything that the previous generations has provided (sans the graphics).  That somehow the Wii winning will mean that gaming will take steps backwards.  When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games?  When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites? 

There's no evidence that any of the doom and gloom that's being preached will ever come to pass.  If the only evidence provided is "Take a look at the Wii game lineup so far" then that's not much in terms of evidence since only a handful of developers have produced a game for the Wii, and fewer still have produced one for it from the ground, and almost none who have a full understanding of the Wiimote.

People argue that developers need time to tap the full power of the PS3's cell processor, well they also need time to tap the full potential of the Wiimote as well.  For motion-sensing it will be more about mechanics first before resources start pouring into the story and art board.  When 3D was first introduced it was more about learning the mechanics, not texturing, lighting effects, anti-aliasing.  It was learning about what we can do with it.  Well folks, this is the stage in which motion-sensing is in right now:  Learning what can be done with it.RahnAetas

Hakuna MatataSilchas

...When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games? When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites?RahnAetas

What I can't understand is why so many people claim that all the Wii will provide is horrible ports, mini-games, and dumbed down efforts by developers.  That somehow it is utterly impossible for the Wii to provide everything that the previous generations has provided (sans the graphics).  That somehow the Wii winning will mean that gaming will take steps backwards.  When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games?  When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites? 

There's no evidence that any of the doom and gloom that's being preached will ever come to pass.  If the only evidence provided is "Take a look at the Wii game lineup so far" then that's not much in terms of evidence since only a handful of developers have produced a game for the Wii, and fewer still have produced one for it from the ground, and almost none who have a full understanding of the Wiimote.

People argue that developers need time to tap the full power of the PS3's cell processor, well they also need time to tap the full potential of the Wiimote as well.  For motion-sensing it will be more about mechanics first before resources start pouring into the story and art board.  When 3D was first introduced it was more about learning the mechanics, not texturing, lighting effects, anti-aliasing.  It was learning about what we can do with it.  Well folks, this is the stage in which motion-sensing is in right now:  Learning what can be done with it.RahnAetas

No, I look to the DS as a comparison and I still see games with deep storylines, Immersive gameplay, etc.axt113

[QUOTE="axt113"]No, I look to the DS as a comparison and I still see games with deep storylines, Immersive gameplay, etc.DA_B0MB

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Enough with the Wii threads.DA_B0MB

Well look at the alternative to Wii winning. It would be Sony/MS domination, and it will show MS and Sony that people are willing to shell out up the $600 for a gaming console. And you can bet the next generation of console will just get more and more expensive. The next XBOX or PS could be $800 to $1000 if they both came out on top.

I will admit that I would rather Nintendo win over MS. The reason I feel this way is because the one company that has the power, resources, and money to have a monopoly over the gaming industry is definitely MS. If MS became the market leader, do you think they would just stop there? The answer is HELL NO, and you can see that with their operating systems because there is hardly any competition, which only hurts us, the consumer. I would hate for the same thing to happen to the gaming industry.

And I don't understand why lemmings and cows are complaining about Nintendo's new route because if Nintendo did the same thing as MS or Sony and just gave us a gamecube 2, yall wouldn't have bought their system in the first place anyway. Just because Nintendo took a detour this generation doesn't mean they will take that same path next generation. What I think Nintendo is trying to do this generation is help developers try to think outside of the box, and get gaming out of the rut it's in IMO. At the end of the day, what is so wrong with Nintendo trying to achieve this. I personally think developers have lost their edge to be able to create new, original, and creative games nowadays because the focus in gaming seems to have shifted to graphics>gameplay. Yes, there are brilliant games like Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, and Windwaker, but they are in the minority. And yes, I know Nintendo rehashes their main franchise over and over, but so do many other developers. At least Nintendo is giving us a new way to experience them. Do yall really want to be playing the same games the same exact way for the rest of your lives. I know I don't. And no I'm not saying traditional controllers are bad. I would just like to see controllers evolve. Everything evolves eventually, and gaming is no different.

This is NOT a Wii bashing thread!

(Please read everything to prevent yourself from looking like an idiot :))

     The Wii is doing ridiculously well all across the world. It's still hard to find one and it's said you won't be able to find one easily until at least the end of this year. Why is the Wii so successfull though? Simple; the controller is attractive to casuals/non-gamers and it's very cheap for a video game console. Most casuals and non-gamers are convinced to buy one after playing a little bit of Wii sports. It's not so much Zelda is driving in casuals as much as you may think, it's Wii sports. The simplistic, quick, easy to learn series of mini games. 

     Now why would anyone be a little worried if the Wii wins? It's fun right? Isn't that what games are about anyway? For someone like me, not entirely. For me, I value deep storylines, immersive eviorments, cunning AI and yes... gorgeous graphics (and ofcourse gameplay...duh). Am I a graphic whore simply because I appreciate graphical and technical aspects of a game? No, I can have tons of fun with a less technically advanced game as well, but these things are what really intrest me in new games and systems. Games that can take me places that I haven't been before and give me new experiences through the most current advances in technoligy as well as deliver fantastic gameplay are the games that I love the most (this is why I'm so hyped for Mass Effect). Not just gameplay alone, though gameplay is very important to me still.

     With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did. The Wii focuses more on quick, easy fun with the Wiimote rather than focus on technical and graphical aspects. Now let's say the Wii wins... by a landslide... The mighty titans SONY and Microsoft will scratch there heads and have a collective "Wtf?...". SONY and Microsoft would have both given you fantastic games that give you the most state of the art visuals and immersive stories and inviorments with great gameplay, but that still wouldn't have been as attractive as the Wii's quick and easy fun.

     Could SONY and Microsoft both abandon their value for all the technical wonders that we are all wowed with and go for something similar to the Wii's approach if the Wii wins? One thing is for sure, if the Wii does win, this thought will run through the offices of both Microsoft and SONY as they both make their next generation consoles. Will it happen? No one knows, but you cannot say it can't. That is why someone like me who values the most technically amazing parts of a game is a little worried. I don't want XBOX 360/PS3 graphics and abilities in 2012.

DA_B0MB

Great Post.  I like the idea Nintendo is using for thier new console and I like the way they have done business.  I think many people are excited about interacting with thier games in more immersive ways and I applaud Nintendo for thier work, but I wish that they had released their controller and games as an add-on to the Ps3 and 360 as it would have provided the best of both worlds.  However, I am personally interested more in the graphical and technical horsepower also and I'm worried about Wii's current sales.  I have to admit I don't understand why people are soo attracted to the Wii.  I admit the controller is fun, but I think the controller is the only thing you buy when you purchase a Wii.  The rest, IMO, is just an outdated console and $250, IMHO, is just too much money for a controller.  Maybe I'm a little biased as I don't care for zelda, mario or party games.

Anyway, I see two possible outcomes:

1) Wii sales continue strong throughout its lifecycle.  Result - Publishers create mass quantities of cheaper titles for greater profit and spend less time and money on higher budget 360/PS3 titles.

2) Wii sales drop off in the near future.  Result - Publishers loose massive amounts of money investing in 1 or 2 waves of Wii titles as gamers loose interest in Wii an move back to PS3 and 360.

Either scenario results in less 360/PS3 high budget games in the short term.  I just hope next gen is more of a melding of interactivity and horsepower.  It seems that this gen we can't have our cake and eat it too.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Enough with the Wii threads.TrueReligion_

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]

This is NOT a Wii bashing thread!

(Please read everything to prevent yourself from looking like an idiot :))

     The Wii is doing ridiculously well all across the world. It's still hard to find one and it's said you won't be able to find one easily until at least the end of this year. Why is the Wii so successfull though? Simple; the controller is attractive to casuals/non-gamers and it's very cheap for a video game console. Most casuals and non-gamers are convinced to buy one after playing a little bit of Wii sports. It's not so much Zelda is driving in casuals as much as you may think, it's Wii sports. The simplistic, quick, easy to learn series of mini games. 

     Now why would anyone be a little worried if the Wii wins? It's fun right? Isn't that what games are about anyway? For someone like me, not entirely. For me, I value deep storylines, immersive eviorments, cunning AI and yes... gorgeous graphics (and ofcourse gameplay...duh). Am I a graphic whore simply because I appreciate graphical and technical aspects of a game? No, I can have tons of fun with a less technically advanced game as well, but these things are what really intrest me in new games and systems. Games that can take me places that I haven't been before and give me new experiences through the most current advances in technoligy as well as deliver fantastic gameplay are the games that I love the most (this is why I'm so hyped for Mass Effect). Not just gameplay alone, though gameplay is very important to me still.

     With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did. The Wii focuses more on quick, easy fun with the Wiimote rather than focus on technical and graphical aspects. Now let's say the Wii wins... by a landslide... The mighty titans SONY and Microsoft will scratch there heads and have a collective "Wtf?...". SONY and Microsoft would have both given you fantastic games that give you the most state of the art visuals and immersive stories and inviorments with great gameplay, but that still wouldn't have been as attractive as the Wii's quick and easy fun.

     Could SONY and Microsoft both abandon their value for all the technical wonders that we are all wowed with and go for something similar to the Wii's approach if the Wii wins? One thing is for sure, if the Wii does win, this thought will run through the offices of both Microsoft and SONY as they both make their next generation consoles. Will it happen? No one knows, but you cannot say it can't. That is why someone like me who values the most technically amazing parts of a game is a little worried. I don't want XBOX 360/PS3 graphics and abilities in 2012.

Oldernu

Great Post.  I like the idea Nintendo is using for thier new console and I like the way they have done business.  I think many people are excited about interacting with thier games in more immersive ways and I applaud Nintendo for thier work, but I wish that they had released their controller and games as an add-on to the Ps3 and 360 as it would have provided the best of both worlds.  However, I am personally interested more in the graphical and technical horsepower also and I'm worried about Wii's current sales.  I have to admit I don't understand why people are soo attracted to the Wii.  I admit the controller is fun, but I think the controller is the only thing you buy when you purchase a Wii.  The rest, IMO, is just an outdated console and $250, IMHO, is just too much money for a controller.  Maybe I'm a little biased as I don't care for zelda, mario or party games.

Anyway, I see two possible outcomes:

1) Wii sales continue strong throughout its lifecycle.  Result - Publishers create mass quantities of cheaper titles for greater profit and spend less time and money on higher budget 360/PS3 titles.

2) Wii sales drop off in the near future.  Result - Publishers loose massive amounts of money investing in 1 or 2 waves of Wii titles as gamers loose interest in Wii an move back to PS3 and 360.

Either scenario results in less 360/PS3 high budget games in the short term.  I just hope next gen is more of a melding of interactivity and horsepower.  It seems that this gen we can't have our cake and eat it too.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]What I can't understand is why so many people claim that all the Wii will provide is horrible ports, mini-games, and dumbed down efforts by developers.  That somehow it is utterly impossible for the Wii to provide everything that the previous generations has provided (sans the graphics).  That somehow the Wii winning will mean that gaming will take steps backwards.  When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games?  When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites? 

There's no evidence that any of the doom and gloom that's being preached will ever come to pass.  If the only evidence provided is "Take a look at the Wii game lineup so far" then that's not much in terms of evidence since only a handful of developers have produced a game for the Wii, and fewer still have produced one for it from the ground, and almost none who have a full understanding of the Wiimote.

People argue that developers need time to tap the full power of the PS3's cell processor, well they also need time to tap the full potential of the Wiimote as well.  For motion-sensing it will be more about mechanics first before resources start pouring into the story and art board.  When 3D was first introduced it was more about learning the mechanics, not texturing, lighting effects, anti-aliasing.  It was learning about what we can do with it.  Well folks, this is the stage in which motion-sensing is in right now:  Learning what can be done with it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]What I can't understand is why so many people claim that all the Wii will provide is horrible ports, mini-games, and dumbed down efforts by developers.  That somehow it is utterly impossible for the Wii to provide everything that the previous generations has provided (sans the graphics).  That somehow the Wii winning will mean that gaming will take steps backwards.  When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games?  When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites? 

There's no evidence that any of the doom and gloom that's being preached will ever come to pass.  If the only evidence provided is "Take a look at the Wii game lineup so far" then that's not much in terms of evidence since only a handful of developers have produced a game for the Wii, and fewer still have produced one for it from the ground, and almost none who have a full understanding of the Wiimote.

People argue that developers need time to tap the full power of the PS3's cell processor, well they also need time to tap the full potential of the Wiimote as well.  For motion-sensing it will be more about mechanics first before resources start pouring into the story and art board.  When 3D was first introduced it was more about learning the mechanics, not texturing, lighting effects, anti-aliasing.  It was learning about what we can do with it.  Well folks, this is the stage in which motion-sensing is in right now:  Learning what can be done with it.RahnAetas

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]What I can't understand is why so many people claim that all the Wii will provide is horrible ports, mini-games, and dumbed down efforts by developers.  That somehow it is utterly impossible for the Wii to provide everything that the previous generations has provided (sans the graphics).  That somehow the Wii winning will mean that gaming will take steps backwards.  When 3D was introduced to gaming, was that the death of 2D games?  When polygons were introduced, was that the death of sprites? 

There's no evidence that any of the doom and gloom that's being preached will ever come to pass.  If the only evidence provided is "Take a look at the Wii game lineup so far" then that's not much in terms of evidence since only a handful of developers have produced a game for the Wii, and fewer still have produced one for it from the ground, and almost none who have a full understanding of the Wiimote.

People argue that developers need time to tap the full power of the PS3's cell processor, well they also need time to tap the full potential of the Wiimote as well.  For motion-sensing it will be more about mechanics first before resources start pouring into the story and art board.  When 3D was first introduced it was more about learning the mechanics, not texturing, lighting effects, anti-aliasing.  It was learning about what we can do with it.  Well folks, this is the stage in which motion-sensing is in right now:  Learning what can be done with it.Vandalvideo

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Enough with the Wii threads.DA_B0MB

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

poopinloop32

wii already providie more than gc.

vc games, web browser, weather channel. vote channel reulgar size disk,  powerful than xbox,  news channel...

Yes i have my right :|

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

DA_B0MB

how about you actually listen more than just calling it a damm freaking Cube :|

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

wii already providie more than gc.

vc games, web browser, weather channel. vote channel reulgar size disk,  powerful than xbox,  news channel...

Yes i have my right :|

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

wii already providie more than gc.

vc games, web browser, weather channel. vote channel reulgar size disk,  powerful than xbox,  news channel...

Yes i have my right :|

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

how about you actually listen more than just calling it a damm freaking Cube :|

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

With that said, as far as AI, more immersive stories/eviorments, and graphics, the Wii won't give you much more than what the Gamecube did

you lost ALL CERBILITY RIGHT THERE

wavebrid

how about you actually listen more than just calling it a damm freaking Cube :|

"To be honest, it's not much more powerful than an Xbox. It's like a souped up Xbox," a major third party source revealed to us. "But it's the controller that makes the difference and the controller is really nice."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/673/673578p1.html