Should MK have sexualized/skimpy females (costumes)?

@Rockman999: The projection is strong with you.

@Rockman999: nothing about MK needs to be "realistic" nothing about MK has ever been realistic, i dont get why people want this lol

Um, the SNES version of the first game? Because that SO went well...

@nintendoboy16: yeah the blood was grey lol

Or the gimped MK vs DC which got the teen rating for taking out blood and gore in the fatalities.

When they take away the over the top stuff it waters down its identity and stops feeling like MK

Sure. I mean I don't like it but as long as there are options for more covered up I see no harm. And hey they can throw us ladies bone and give us sexy costumes for male characters. My only gripe with skimpy costumes is the lack of style. Like look at this Poison Ivy

https://images.app.goo.gl/R6ohfM6VwEkD9C9z6

You cannot give me a skimpy lady in an ugly outfit.

@Telekill: But would you agree having reasonable range costumes to suit those who like skimpy and those who don't would be better so people can stop on both sides can stop complaining would be better.

Ultimately, it sounds like it's time to bring Kreate a Fighter back. People want option, skimpy, modest, want the developers vision to be met for their fighters? Boom, There ya go.

As a plus to developers, it's super easy to monetize.

Exactly the double standards of sex vs violence.

@jeezers: And then they got backlash for it. NRS knows this. They're not going to take the violence away. Man, you're nuts...

Of course the devs already created what they created. But MKXchrome is asking "SHOULD the MK series include sexuality?" So the topic is very much about free expression in games.

As for the conduct issue; I don't know where you get the idea that personal attacks are "acceptable" for anyone. They aren't. Never have been and never will be. In every revision of the CoC and TOU, it's always been pointed out. Nor is System Wars an exception to this.

It is a rule across the board in written form, but being applied across the board in practice is easier said than done. It's not a perfect system but we moderators can't possibly see every infraction; we aren't omniscient and even with a team can't be active on all the boards 24/7 to read through each topic in each board.

I know when users get a moderation notice for something they see others do, they feel like they're uniquely targeted. Not the case at all, but we can't catch everything that happens. We do what we can when we can. Like I said, not perfect but between the moderation team, flagging and reporting, even though flagging does get abused,it's the best solution we got.

The only moderator that could pore through all the posts on a 24/7 cycle is an AI program, and I'm sure the community wouldn't want to have our behavior regulated by something unable to read context into a programmed word filter.

Tell that to the developer who got PTSD from researching real life gore vids and pics so they could animate the gore in the game in a realistic manner. Every generation of MK games has consistently become more realistic and brutal. Just because the premise of a demon fire ninja just appearing out of the ground and decapitating some random dude only for that dude to come back the next round with his head completely intact isn't realistic, it doesn't mean other aspects of the game aren't designed to be realistic.

I still don't get why not being able to see the areolas peeking out of a fighter's bra mid fight is such a big deal. All I've seen in this thread are closet cases trying to project their sexual insecurities on others and a couple of cases of SJW tourettes. I'm pretty sure if they were to add in a skin of Johnny Cage in a g string, the same people whining about the lack of skimpy outfits would suddenly reverse their tone. ?

@Rockman999: what a sissy, ptsd? Lol I grew up on rotten.com id do that job. Sounds awesome

While I feel bad for the dev for having to research real life gore vids (WTF?), at the same time. Mortal Kombat's gore is still quite cartoony as hell. It's like Bethesda level laughable (Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Doom; the only game of theirs that made me wince was Wolfenstein: TNO).

@nintendoboy16: I don't know that I would go that far. I have deliberately avoided every MK11 trailer after the first one because I can't handle some of the skeletal fatality things.

That's assuming the developers make these choices solely or mostly of their own artistic vision and most people are not gonna assume that in today's climate where we have a vocal minority that won't even buy the game or play games at all complaining about these things and demand it cater to their needs. Even more so when a long running series has consistently been releasing titles with that level of sexuality suddenly decided to do a complete 180. This vocal minority has invaded the gaming journalist space and give games low scores because they didn't appeal to their political narrative or made a joke they find offensive. These "journalist" and "gamers" are really just activist trying to enforce their views on the industry.

From what I've seen of Ben Shaprio talking about Black Panther, he doesn't hate it and in fact likes it but what he hates is how people politicize it give and it more praise than it deserves solely because it is a Black movie. Funny thing is based on Leftist views they should hate Wakanda since it promotes the idea of a ethno nationalist country with closed borders. China is a 99.99% Chinese country so how the West makes a big deal out of how groundbreaking Black Panther is means nothing to them. The West is in its own bubble where the only movies that exist are ones that come from Hollywood. Hence why Crazy Rich Asians which was a mediocre movie got hyped to the heavens because "It's the first ever Asian dominated movie" when its far from it but they don't wanna bother with subtitles but still look other worldly so they hype it up.

There is also the fact that not all countries in the world share the same views on everything. Xantufrog argues that since the gaming market is getting larger devs will have to make their games more mass appealing. Since China is the largest or a very close 2nd market by that logic we should pander to what they want at the cost of what we like since we're a minority or niche in comparison to them. He makes the mistake of assuming that all people coming into gaming share the same view of not wanting sexuality in their games. Most of gaming's growth is coming from China and Asia in general where they're way more lax with that kind of stuff. It isn't just the Japanese but Asians in general loving anime tiddies. A growing amount of fanservice games appearing on PC are coming from China and not Japan.

I know. And that's always been the selling point. Since it obviously can't match its rivals in the gameplay department.

@Jag85: Really? Because fighting game circles still view MK with more praise than Smash. Smash is basically Twilight to them.

@KungfuKitten: That queasy to game gore, huh?

I don't see how the topic is about free expression in games when the developer freely made their expression but now we have a poll that is challenging their expression because certain people are not fond of this expression. Its seems like developers freedom of expression is dependent on whether or not person X agrees with that freedom expression. When a developer views is inline freedom of expression is celebrated. When its not, its pandering, needs justification, forced or some other SJW conspiracy.

As far as personal attacks being acceptable, I find it to be a confusing policy specifically in this forum. Personal attacks are frequent and regular. Rarely are there threads in which personal attacks is not staple. It can be found in the majority of threads on the front page and prior. So, it was odd to see it cited when it has become the norm in this forums. I am not expecting mods to be present 24/7 as you stated just that it is so common in this forum that you don't need to be here 24/7 to see the high frequency of it.

@NoodleFighter: they make their choices based on how things are nowadays. Whether you like it or not, sexualizing women in media is going to happen less and less because it's:

1 - stupid. It servers no purpose beyond eye candy, it has no effect on gameplay or story and most of the time it doesn't fit with what's actually happening in the story or gameplay.

2 - it's pandering towards a public that's not the majority of their consumers, it's 50/50 women/men and there are people from several different cultures and sexualities in the public, why should they pander towards the straight male when there are way more people that consume their products?

3 - women feel uncomfortable with that and it makes them feel like an object.

It's simply beyond ridiculous how you people make this a thing, it's utter bizarre how you people feel offended because polygonal or cartoon characters are clothed.

That's not true. There are plenty of studies that show, generally speaking, women don't watch anywhere near as much porn as men:

The Porn Gap: Gender Differences in Pornography Use

That's not surprising when China treats its own minorities like shit, e.g. the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong, etc. So of course they're going to hate movies that are sympathetic to minorities, since so many Han Chinese in China have been brainwashed into hating their own minorities by their authoritarian dictators.

But that's not the only reason they dislike Black Panther. Another reason is because its theme of African self-dependency is a repudiation of China's foreign policy in Africa. China's highest-grossing movie, Wolf Warrior 2, is a "Chinese saviour" movie about the Chinese saving Africa from the West. Whereas Black Panther's theme is that Africans can help themselves without depending on foreign powers. Black Panther is the polar opposite of Wolf Warrior 2.

However, it's worth noting that Chinese moviegoers are generally a lot more open-minded towards foreign movies than American audiences. Movies from countries like India, Japan, Lebanon, Spain and Thailand have become surprise blockbusters in China, including foreign art-house movies. In comparison, American moviegoers are more xenophobic, almost exclusively sticking to Hollywood productions.

I doubt that, considering the fact that Smash has a bigger pro-gaming scene than MK. Either way, it's an apples-and-oranges comparison. MK's rivals are the likes of Capcom and Arc System fighters, not Smash Bros.

Mainly because, when you don't include EVO (the only fighting tourney you see it in and even then, the debate is still strong...), Smash's competitive scene is a-whole-nother thing. The differences between Smash and traditional fighters are WHY it's so scorned in the damn first place. Even the worst Dragon Ball Z fighting game is received as a better game to them.

Smash appears in numerous different tournaments:

Super Smash Bros. in esports

Major Smash tournaments include Community Effort Orlando, DreamHack, Evolution Championship Series, Genesis, Super Smash Con and The Big House. From 2004 to 2006, Major League Gaming (MLG) included Melee in its Pro Circuit, and then supported the MLG Smash Series in 2007. In 2010, MLG had Brawl in its Pro Circuit. The MLG Anaheim 2014 and MLG World Finals 2015 championship also featured Melee and Wii U events. Super Smash Bros. games also have a large, widespread grassroots scene that supports tournaments at the amateur and local level. Several top players have been recruited by eSports organizations.

The fact remains that Smash has a far bigger competitive eSports scene than MK. It makes no difference what a few random haters/hipsters on the interwebs think.

I often have to remind myself that we have plenty of virgins on this site, but fapping to video game characters is a little excessive.

@Jag85: Hence why I said, "a-whole-nother thing". And it's not a "hipster" reception either.

@nintendoboy16: Either way, it's an apples-and-oranges comparison. Smash Bros is not a traditional fighter, but is its own subgenre. The games you should be comparing MK to are the Capcom and Arc System fighters, not Smash Bros.

Women only make up 50% of gaming if you include mobile and I'm sure none of us here want the gaming market to skew completely in favor of mobile which companies are already trying to do. Most women play the most casual types of games like Candy Crush and Kim Kardashian: Hollywood. Take away mobile and gaming is still heavily in favor of men. I mean you don't really see women in droves buying consoles or graphics cards like men now do yah? Any sexuality that isn't heterosexual is the extreme minority so I don't even know why you brought that up it actually goes against your argument since a small world wide demographic gets stuff catered to them when according to your argument they shouldn't because of how much of a minority they are.

Objectification argument doesn't really work when you realize that women objectify themselves and men a lot of the time. This blatant double standard that can be seen such as when a female journalist complained about women being objectified in Street Fighter 5 but then when on to talk about how hot characters like Ryu are.

A more famous case would be the actor Ariel Winter from Modern Family complaining about herself being over sexualized but then you see on her instagram she uploaded an ass shot of herself and a friend in bikinis. Another pretty good example are the Twitch Thots. These women invaded Twitch and turned it into a borderline cam girl site. Even though Twitch claims they're against sexual content they let these women get away with sexual stuff and even partner with them. If you try to report it or imitate their behavior as a guy you get banned. Most of these women don't even game, they just show recorded footage of someone else's gameplay or barely play it all. They only play F2P games such as League Of Legends and Fortnite to limit the amount of money they'd actually have to invest in the "gaming" part of their stream.

If anything is ridiculous its how you people are offended over digital characters being sexual when every other medium is sexualized and in a lot worse ways than gaming with more exposure. Why is the line suddenly drawn at video games? I'd have no problem with it if other mediums faced the same criticism as well. If objectification makes women feel uncomfortable then artist and bands like Prince, The Rolling Stones and shouldn't have been adored by the hundreds of millions of women around the world considering they have some sexual explicit and objectifying songs. Women should be calling out Nicki Minaj and Cardi B for setting bad examples for the young girls that look up to them and make women look bad in general with their objectifying songs and music videos.

I voted no but I don’t play MK mainly because it’s heavy on the gore. If they took out the grotesque violence then we can talk about whether or not to have the sexualized characters in it. Waaaay more concerned about violence than the natural human body.

Not everyone has a massive hentai collection like you. Let them enjoy the MK ladies.

Nice job projecting. You shouldn't share you secrets so willingly. :)

No denial from you... LOL

I have no secrets. I watch regular porn and not hentai.

XD Same here, hentai does nothing for me. With that said, I still like scantily dressed females in my games.

@BassMan: The denial comes with stating you are projecting but if you need me to be more plain, no I don't view or store hentai but its interesting that you brought it up when there was no hint or link to such content. :o

On a side note there are forumers who have already stated they are proud hentai watchers. You should go join them instead of being closeted. :)

China is an old world power and stopping this Islamic pan-nationalist spread (from CCP's point of view).

PS; My POV is against both "old world" ideologies.

It is like asking whether Mortal Kombat games should have over-the-top violent scenes or not. Without them, Mortal Kombat will not be the game it is infamous for, just like if there are no skimpy female costumes in the game.

Whatever, it's a non issue as far as I'm concerned.

Mortal Kombat (the original 3) never actually started out with sexy costumes. The costumes in 11 are mostly fairly close to the original designs. Which makes sense as well as the story involves a time traveling plotline which literally brings the younger versions back. It became a gimmick on top of a gimmick other games were using to keep it relevant.

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Having said that, pretty much agree with everyone that there's a massive hypocrisy when it comes to serialization VS gratuitous violence. It's so stupid. Part of that is trying to appeal to the unstable progressives who make the left look bad.

I think Street Fighter V really got it correct where the men are starting to be as sexualized as the woman. Basically had woman all over the Internet getting themselves off to "Hot Ryu", dirty bastards. Even Capcom was surprised by it and capitalized on it releasing a "Hot Package" in Japan featuring emphasis lines on his groin and Chun Li in her sexy battle costume along-side him. Now that's equality.

His sex appeal undoubtedly influenced Cody and his alternate costumes.

Capcom also have a huge emphasis on selling alternate costumes, and it's pretty clear from Fangs and Dhalsims 1-2 compared to Chun Li's 20+ that sex sells. And as we know, what do publishers first and foremost give a shit about?

I was just trolling the troll is all. LOL

@ronvalencia: Which has absolutely nothing to do with the Uyghurs, or Tibetans, or Falun Gong, or any other minority in China, or its foreign policy in Africa, or Black Panther... So yeah, well done completely missing the point.

@uninspiredcup: Capcom are really running with those "Hot Ryu" and "Hot Chun Li" memes... Even Polygon (the bastion of SJW gaming) approves of the "Hot Edition".

And that's not the Cody I remember from Final Fight. I get the feeling Capcom are going to be doing a lot more "Hot" versions of their characters.

That study explored how eager people are to admit they watch porn. Not whether they actually watch porn. We now have 10+ years of user data from sexually explicit sites that show that women love to watch porn.

The study shows that less than 10% of women watch porn on a weekly basis, compared to at least 50% of men who watch porn on a weekly basis. The study has nothing to do with "admitting" anything, as the samples are private, not public. There's no reason why you'd hide your real feelings if your identity is kept private or anonymous.

According to Pornhub, the gender breakdown of their visitors in 2018 was 71% men and 29% women. That's a very large gap of 42% between male and female visitors. While it would be incorrect to claim that women don't watch porn, it would be just as incorrect to claim that women watch just as much porn as men.

@son-goku7523: @BassMan: Hentai>Regular Porn and I fucking hate Porn!

Can't believe both of you hate Hentai :(

You lost the argument on that. You have no proof whatsoever that that is true. Get on with the times.

Still, devs will do what they want to do and there's NOTHING you can do about it.

Sexualizing is fine if it makes sense in the context and if it serves a purpose on gameplay/story.

Not the case in MK, sorry.

There is no problem in liking it. I like it because to me, sometimes, it makes a woman look fierce, like in Bayonetta.

The problem is when the anti-sjw whine and say "go woke go broke" which is not true in the least, seeing how "woke" stuff sell.

People should get on with the times and accept sexualized people will not happen as frequently as in the past.

Stanky skanks one and all. lol :P

That's fine. I just want you to know we are here to support your hentai watching. :P

If MK wants to have them, sure. I'm not scared of skimpy females. Not even virtual ones. Pretty fond of them, actually.

"But they're objectifying womenz!" Ah, you mean like we currently are objectifying men and have been forever? Without complaints from men?

If y'all want skimpy clothes I want fabulous thick boys and I don't mean gigantic freaky bodybuilder thick. Add sexy poses and sass because a lot of MK guys are so serious it's unappealing. I know you guys think the big musclemen in games is objectifying men but it's really a power trip for male gamers. I don't think devs truly know what ladies want in a male protagonist.

@Celsius765: Please... You've had Bo' Rai Cho for years.