Sakurai admits that Ultimate is an enhanced port... I was wrong...

https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-first-proposal-in-december-2015-faster-tempo-much-more/

First, I thought whether I should design the game’s mechanics as a new, separate entry or as an extension of past entries – the result, as you can tell, was the latter.

... I'm a fool. I'll eat some crow... The rest of the article is interesting though. Read it.

So Majoras's Mask is a port of Ocarina of Time?

Using the same engine doesn't make it a port.

It's more like, Street Fighter 4 and Ultra Street Fighter 4.

Delete your account please

I could tell that by looking at it. The graphics haven't changed a bit.

stupid.... the graphics are tons better. thats like the biggest change from the wiiU version.

I hope that faster tempo improves before release too. It's still documented to be a little slower than melee.

Nope. Still looks like a WiiU game.

street fighter 5 looks like a wiiU game too right?

I guess. Never been a fan of SF or its artstyle.

Its basically every SSB game so i will buy it.

This has to be the dumbest post of the day.

yea street fighter 5 looks like garabge. easily a 360 port witha bit more particle effects and stuff.

as for smash. if you played 4 youd see it was the same as Sf5 rush job. smash 4 stages all looked like ass. the new game has the stages all redone from like scratch imo. the characters themselves like a little shinier and the artstyle is slightly different in a better way imo.

i mean only so much you can do with a fighting game right? how much did mortal kombat X change from mortal kombat 9?

tekken looks the same since the 360 too.

king of fighters, bazblue not much difference. marvel vs capcom infinite.

Looks like the port machine strikes again.

That was earlier than expected.

Uh yeah, that seemed to be the only logical conclusion.

It's a port/sequel

A lot? I mean, just play both games and you'll not only see how different it is but also feel how much the gameplay has improved (the opposite of what happened with Smash, as it plays almost the same way since 1999).

I mean, let's compare the games from 1999 and from today:

Smash 1999:

Smash 2014:

Mortal Kombat 1999:

Mortal Kombat 2015:

mortal kombat 9:

mortal kombat 10

street fighter 4

street fighter 5

since fighting games went HD...its not many changes...

also here is a real smash 64 to smash wiiU comparison

@KBFloYd: true... But Nintendo was the one that didn't change it's flagship fighting game for 20 years tho

@rafaelmsoares: What do you want them to change? And lol @ the dishonesty. Using a stage they purposefully reused as a throwback. How about putting Sub-Zero and Scorpion in their Klassic outfits in the forest to prove Mortal Kombat hasn’t changed?

sony dont even have one. all their fighting games are 3rd party. the only one they ever made was plasyation allstars (a clone of smash ironically)

Looks like a new game to me...

1. It’s not a port.

2. Can you be more dramatic?

smash 4 was just a tweak of brawl so. was smash 4 a port?

Are we suppose to care either way?

It's an Exclusive.

It's been visually upgraded and has a bigger roster than the previous game. Characters have also been rebalanced.... as also some of the basic mechanics.

It's a fighting game, these don't evolve greatly between *some* versions, anyone expecting anymore are just idiots.

don't care,
it has all past Smash characters and stages, and a few additional, with clones, characters.
Gonna get it day one

Port or not. I'm still buying Ultimate day 1 purchase.

Told you so. It was obvious from the beginning but I saw sheep getting angry after that tedious E3 presentation. "It's NOT a port!! It's a brand new game...practically a sequel!!"

If you can turn off your emotion and learn to use your eyes more, you'd see it was a port.

@goldenelementxl said:

Looks like a new game to me...

You're also forgetting Zero Suit Samus's fun bags have been toned down.... :(

But at least her legs are...... *Drools*

With al the content being put into this game (old and new), the mechanical changes, some of the other details added (extra damage on 1v1s, as well as slow mo specials), some of the changes and redesigns of characters, plus the fact that we still don't know what Sakurai has up his sleeves in terms of new content (whether it be new modes, characters, stages, single player content, online, etc.), to call it a port is really selling SSB Ultimate and Sakurai short.

Re-using assets or an engine does not make a game a port.

I feel like your intelligence is wasted here. It's clearly not a port but these brain-dead drones won't listen to you either way.

^ This...lol...port or new game..what they showed was great, its a day 1 for me also. The only person that was really hung up on this was TC. xD

Not surprising. Why bother when your fanbase buys rehashed games like Donkey Kong and other remasters for 60 USD?

Graphically it has better lighting and textures. That's about it. But for me, the real changes are the small tweaks in the gameplay. Most of you won't care tho.

Well he doesn’t really actually say that it’s a port, he simply says that it’s an extension of previous games. To me it fits the bill of what a sequel would be and not a port. Regardless though I think the game looks great and I would buy it either way.

@techhog89: no where did he said that it's a port! Try again

It's already been confirmed its not a port. Try again.

@dagubot: Only applied for that day.

I could have a go at Nintendo for this, but the idea sounds so similar to any other fighting game, so I don't see the problem.

He says that he's extending mechanics from past entries. How in the living **** does that equal port? And what fucking fighting game doesn't do that? Jesus christ people. Should be illegal to be as stupid as you.

many in the thread say its a sequel not a port.

a port would be almost identical to smash 4 in its gameplay. however as clealry seen the changes are a lot and constitute this a a sequel in the same vein as smash 4.

its not built from the ground up but why do that when brawl sold 10million smash 4 10 million. sakurai maybe feels this engine is good for another game.

IDC The TC said he would delete his account. The TC believes it is a port. Others opinions don't matter if he's a man of his word. I already saw he copped out with some bullshit that it only applied to the day he made that thread. What a pu$$y

Do people consider the Uncharted Collection to be ports?

They use updated assets, game play improvements and improved game mechanics.

Ultimate is basically what Blue Point Games would of done if they ported Wii U Smash to Switch.

nice try but fighting gameplay mechanics are much more percise and intricate and completely change the meta of the game.

uncharted port is a shooter. doesnt change the game in any meaningful way. i guess you can call it a remaster.

60fps and tweaked shooting mechanics don't change the game in any meaningful way?

I suggest you go and play Uncharted 1 on PS3 and again on PS4.......difference in gun play a massive improvement.

Haha, this shit is hilarious. They have stated that this game was built up from the ground for Switch, yet System Warriors be like "PORT PORT PORT!!!1"

Are we seriously going to debate port vs. sequel for a fighting game? Fighting game sequels are basically ports. Just like Fifa and Madden sequels are pretty much ports. They're updated versions of a game that people love.

There are always returning characters and stages and control schemes. Updates to the fighting mechanisms and tweaks to characters and some new stages. Maybe a new character or two. Upgraded visuals. That's what fighting games are.

If we consider this a port then they're all ports. It'll have a new roster, new stages, new unlockables, new techniques, probably new modes. 'Tens of thousands' of tweaks for models and balance.