Rise Of The Ronin looks like a game from 1997

It simply doesn't get any worse in the AA and AAA industry. Their engine is an abomination. Everything is so insanely washed out, that it makes me believe that shadows is something they are yet to discover. Textures are straight up from late ps2 to early ps3 standards. And when there's something colorful in the environment, it pops up like a plastic toy because there's no shading or anything done to it.

If there's an Ugliest Game Of 2024 award, this wins it hands down. I am ashaed of this being an exclusive on my PS5.

I'm excited for it but from a technical standpoint Team Ninja has imploded. These are the guys that use to make Ninja Gaiden and DOA.

If I was a boss at Playstation I'd buy Tecmo and teach them how to use the Decima engine and make them create a new Ninja Gaiden.

If the gameplay is tight none of the visuals matter in the slightest. The end!

Wenzen's hyperbole is usually off the chain, but... I kinda have to agree here.

I think I heard part of the staff Sony cut had to do with floater teams that dealt with quality between their first party studios, helping them make their games better, but these teams also worked with third parties too. If true, some of these third party projects might be down major help they might have become accustomed to.

Looks like Tenchu Z lol...

I liked tenchu z.. but still lolololol

Ah, the duality of a gamer.

Concerned at how gaming getting more unsustainable due to rising costs and long development time but then when devs actually tried to keep budget somewhat managable gets criticized for not spending more money on visuals, gameplay etc etc.

Probably due in part to going open world...

Anyways if this flops .... I hope Team Ninja survives and that they come to their senses and make a new Ninja Gaiden.

So I'll probably like it.

That exclusive next gen CGI like PS5 graphics.🤭

The OP can't talk about graphics when his favourite game is called Olden Ring due to its 360 like graphics.

Meh... like I've said a million times, I play games for the gameplay not to just look at the graphics. If the gameplay is on point everything else seems better. However, if this game doesn't smash barriers in gameplay I can see reviewers giving it a hard time.

Meh. I enjoy pretty graphics as much as the next person but it’s certainly not the be all end all for me. I’m keeping my eye on this to see how it all turns out.

@hardwenzen said:

It simply doesn't get any worse in the AA and AAA industry. Their engine is an abomination. Everything is so insanely washed out, that it makes me believe that shadows is something they are yet to discover. Textures are straight up from late ps2 to early ps3 standards. And when there's something colorful in the environment, it pops up like a plastic toy because there's no shading or anything done to it.

If there's an Ugliest Game Of 2024 award, this wins it hands down. I am ashaed of this being an exclusive on my PS5.

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Tenchu Z (2006)

These screenshots.. not that far off in regards to graphics.. and Tenchu Z was considered an ugly game in 2006.

I loved tenchu Z tho as a game, so who knows maybe it's fun

@sargentd said:

@hardwenzen said:

It simply doesn't get any worse in the AA and AAA industry. Their engine is an abomination. Everything is so insanely washed out, that it makes me believe that shadows is something they are yet to discover. Textures are straight up from late ps2 to early ps3 standards. And when there's something colorful in the environment, it pops up like a plastic toy because there's no shading or anything done to it.

If there's an Ugliest Game Of 2024 award, this wins it hands down. I am ashaed of this being an exclusive on my PS5.

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Tenchu Z (2006)

These screenshots.. not that far off in regards to graphics.. and Tenchu Z was considered an ugly game in 2006.

I loved tenchu Z tho as a game, so who knows maybe it's fun

Pretty close. Textures and lighting are straight up from that era.

How much of that original team is still there?

Team Ninja isn't worth it for Ninja Gaiden without Tomonobu Itagaki and his team.

The person under him didn't understand it and made the Sigma changes. Then he threw everything out and made NG3. And while he was making that, he was talking about DMC, like he was going to create some rivalry there.

It's not the name of the studio which matters, it's the people at the studio. Just like RARE. People blame MS for RARE, but the problem is most of the original talent left, and they started leaving before MS bought them such as those at Free Radical.

Looks like an early Xbox 360 game. No matter, if the game is fun that is all that counts.

To be fair, I don't think Wenzen gives an Elden Ring about sustainability.

On the flip side, gamers such as myself couldnt care less about technical graphics. And would rather have more sustainable development.

It looks quite mediocre, but who cares. I expect a decent combat experience. I've come to learn Ninja games have great combat, just not quite on the level of FromSoft, DMC or GoW.

Also, this sub has an extreme hard-on for original titles and brand new IPs and absolutely despises any kind of remaster, remake, reboot or sequel... Yet you are all begging for Team Ninja to make a Ninja Gaiden game? Nah piss off. No one cares about Ninja Gaiden. Keep making original games Team Ninja.

Shock. Horror. Yet another Sony game that Wenzen dislikes.

I think this game will get lost in the dragon dogma 2 hype

That's the difference between me and you, i call it as is, sony exclusive or not. Try it sometimes... meh nvm, if you were defending that shitty xbox headset, you're a lost cause.

If it's not Tekken, FF or something on the RE engine, it's likely not going to be a super graphical knockout. Since Japanese studios are likely more frugal with their budgets and concentrate on gameplay, which is fine. Considering how the state of gaming is going, I can't whine too much. I just ask they don't ship a broken game

Not the best looking visuals, but the game itself looks good. Also, great music and audio presentation in general.

Subpar graphics aside, I don't think the game is very interesting. Little bit Assassin's Creed, little bit Nioh. Meh.

I still want to play Nioh 2 and probably will sometime, but I have no interest in their last game Wo Long, or this.

I don't really care much how a game looks, more interested in how it plays/is it fun

Unfortunately, Ronin didn't look fun either

Hopefully I'm wrong as I love those kinds of games.

@hardwenzen: I said the headset was the best value for money available. You said buying a second hand set of stereo cans and a plug in standalone mic were.

Delusional.

Wow that looks bad, looks like a game from the X360/PS3 era, but running at a higher resolution than 720p (not much higher lol, guessing its like 900p upscaled with some temporal thing or FSR)

Nioh had outdated graphics, but the game was an absolute banger. This game looks like a PS4 game, but will play better than most games released today.

Nioh was also a game from 2017. We're seven god damn years later.

Its only the best value headset when you're a clueless dudebro that doesn't know, nor understand anything audio related. And you defended that. How pathetic.

I think his main apprentice basically runs Team Ninja does he not? Tomonobu Itagaki got hit with a bunch of sexual harassment accusations and was basically forced to go Indie.

I actually enjoyed Sigma but NG3 was a disaster. I think they have moved away from that style of gameplay though. I would have no issue with it being like DMC5 as I think the SE edition is arguably the best action game ever made. My issue isn't with their gameplay ( which is still solid) it's with how far they fell behind from a technology standpoint.

Well Nioh looked like a PS3 game so this is a step up I guess.

I'd take a proper sequel to NG1 and NG2.

Would love to see it.. as long as it isn't like 3

Actually play both the originals and Sigma quite frequently. It's not that Sigma is bad, it's more that the changes weren't always better or even finished.

Like, when you play as Rachel, her movement is strange and wooden looking when she's running, like they just changed the skin from a make to a female. Like the hip rotation doesn't look right. BUT, her war hammer fighting style is actually fun, better than Ryu's which is just his standard heavy weapon style with less moves.

Rachels levels are also a bit half baked, and her boss, the guy with the guns, is just annoying.

The core gameplay is still really good.

I haven't playeed DMC 5 or DMC remake yet, I have them all, I just haven't got there. I just finished DMC 1-4. Overall DMC 3 is the peak, DMC 4 is good, DMC 1 gets special mentions, there's just something really good about it, like the atmosphere, there's a lot of that Resident Evil vibe in the first one, because that's what it was meant to be. DMC 2... I'm just glad it was short. The core wasn't bad but by the time you're two thirds in, you kind of want it to end. I don't think I went through it again with the other character.

If by technical you mean graphics, I'm a retro gamer, I don't care that much. I still enjoy the graphics of the original Ninja Gaiden Black. Upscaled on newer Xbox consoles, it still stands up for me.

While I like DMC games, for me, Ninja Gaiden is still best. I play through it A LOT, still trying to learn new things.

This 100%

Folks have been critical of the graphics and production value of the showcases so far this year. Game budgets are being slashed like crazy these days. And 3rd parties are signing these bad subscription service deals because it's better than not launching a game at all and cutting their losses. The industry is in a bad spot and it's only gonna get worse. Just look at the music and movie industries if you want to see where this is all going.

Ghost of Tsushima on PS4 looks way better than this game. And while graphics aren't everything, the gameplay looks boring and dull as well. It would be wiser to replay Ninja Gaiden.

Yea the added characters are a bit half baked but I played as Ryu most the time because he just felt the best to me and I always loved the character.

I really recommend you get DMC5 SE. It adds Vergil as a playable character and he is alot of fun. All four characters feel distinct and are amazing in their own way. I really think it's my favorite action game of all time and I'd say it's easily the best DMC although I would rank them from best to worst as 5, 4, 3, 1, 2.

Yea graphics aren't everything but I think they can make a great game even better. When the original NG for Xbox came out, not only was it an amazing game it was one of the best looking games available. I've always been a sucker for great visuals and beautiful animations in a game though.

Would absolutely love for them to make another Ninja Gaiden game instead but Itagaki needs to be onboard.

It could look like a PS1 game as long as the gameplay is good.

Insane graphics are not sustainable and is creating budgets in games that don't return the profit required to allow developers to produce new ip's. This is why we are seeing so many remasters, remakes, and sequels, but few new ip's.

I tend to like Team Ninja games, so I will be checking this out when I get finished a few other games.

You have indie developers that release video games on a $5 budget that look generations ahead of what's used here.

I don't over emphasize the importance of graphics, but that is terrible.

It has like a weird upscaling going on like FSR 1 but something much worse.

Also another thing I noticed is chromatic aberration.

@R4gn4r0k: Nioh had terrible AA solution, then PC version got dlss and it looked way better than native at 4k

DLSS is just that good. Wish they could've backported both DLSS and HDR to Nioh 1, same engine afterall.

Nioh looked alot better, *not that graphics matter*

But nioh looked much better

@hardwenzen: Absolutely, and the critics agreed with me bud. But it was an entertaining thread….”buy second hand”😂😂😂

The critics are people like you, know absolutely nothing. No sane person has ever suggested that trash to any serious gamer. Imagine buying a headset over a prair over headphones, and then, as if this wasn't enough, you're buying a noname pair of cans over a quality brand like Sennheiser🤡What a clown.

@hardwenzen: Eh, if sennheiser made a wireless set that had the same features and sound as the Xbox set, you’d be purring at so much on offer for 100 bucks.

First of all, are you a teenager with $100 in your pockets that you got for your bday? Secondly, the only "feature" you need is soundstage and clean directional sound, something you will never have on some shitty headset made by a no name company. And here you are, talking about wireless and being able to lower the volume on the headset itself lmao. As i knew it before, you have no idea what's even needed for a proper pair of cans lol.

@hardwenzen: Lol, is the guy recommending 2nd hand headphones and went ages without playing PC because he didn’t have the money for a new GPU actually mocking me for only spending 100 bucks on a headset?

If I want great soundstage, I’ll use my Atmos setup. If I’m chilling doing a co-op or MP game, I want a headset with an actual microphone….not some used wired headphones that have other people’s earwax and sweat.

Ugh. How could you Wenzen?