PC Gaming is a Fraud

Okay that's fine. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm not talking downloads. They aren't quite the same thing now are they? I prefer disks for games, movies, and music. Digital is only for things I'm not heavily invested in or can't get any other way. I'd imagine if I really want a game....and can only buy it digitally I will do that. But for purposes I'm talking in here...it's now about downloading.

Pc owns consoles get over it TC. Next year most likely you will get similar or better performance of that pc dual gpu setup in a single card for less money. can you say real 4k gaming. I will buy a ps4 for the exclusives NOT for graphics.

But they can still play old games. What difference does it make if emulator software is used? The game can still be played and with no extra hardware. that's a really poor argument.

They need a work around not put in by the new creator no?

And FYI my point wasn't even about PCs. It was about the instances of BC. Whether or not a PC is...that is immaterial. That's still just one case out of the total number.

And you can play a full backlog of console games on your PC from the Wii all the way to the intellivision.

And not just that but I can fully record and edit them on my PC.

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I've done that with Castlevania for the x68000.

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Parasite Eve 1 for the PS1.

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Albert Odyssey for the Sega Saturn

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Darkwatch for the PS2

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Eternal Darkness for the Gamecube.

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And Parasite Eve: The Third Birthday for the PSP

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I can play all these games on my PC in high resolution with a large selection of controllers to suit my needs.

Unless you are talking DOS era, then yes, it shouldn't have an issue.

On the previous page :

So... what was this about you not talking about downloads?

You need to pay MS or Sony for an HD remake if you want to play old games.

@LJS9502_basic:

This game? http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/25046/

Like I said bro,

Post 95 in this thread, you said : "you really can't play all really old games on new PCs."

Nothing about operating systems in there. PC is Hardware, it was a hardware discussion.

You came to the hardware discussion with incorrect information.

Who were you talking to here? You didn't hit 'reply' or 'quote', so could one assume you were merely talking to yourself?

I mean, if you hit reply or quote the person who you're talking with will receive a notification. I'm really interested in who you were talking to, because, just like the quote above - you're misrepresenting what you said.

I mean jesus christ, one could argue that the game itself is an 'additional download'. So technically yeah you are correct. You win at arguing against a position nobody actually holds!

Well then we have a no BC for DOS era. But if there are no issues...then why do you need an emulator? When I talk BC I mean pop a disk in and go. Which I think you will admit isn't going to happen with all the old disks.

I also don't know how this got sidetracked because I didn't initially say PC don't play older games. Some do have issues....which I found out when I got my new PC. It actually worked on my old PC. And none of the work arounds helped me. Which sucks. I suppose I could dig my old tower out and connect up to it to play the game.

But anyway.....not counting the PC....more consoles are not BC than are.

It doesn't matter. It's a simple software fix or emulator. The games still work. Like I said, you are making a really poor argument. The PC is an open platform so making software like DOSBOX is really simple for someone to make and get out to the public. It's certainly better than any console solution which is NOTHING. Not to mention platforms like Steam and GOG selling the games with the proper emulators installed already. I still have games I bought for my original PC back in 1995 that with very little effort I can get working.

DOSbox etc....not about downloading the game itself.

What game are you having trouble getting to work properly?

wtf is going on in this thread? somehow we're on Backwards compatibility...

You're actually almost getting it but not quite. I never said the PC can't play old games. I said there are some that just won't work. Nothing is 100%.

And to make the old games work as you admit an emulator is needed. That means that without any adjustments the PC is not BC with older software.

That's like people who mod their consoles to play games not intended for their console. Sure it can be done...but it wasn't intended as part of the console experience.

That is a dumb arguement as newer consoles need to download updates to become fully operational and most of the time when you first put in a game it needs to download updates before you can play it.....

an emulator is just a program/application. PCs are intended to run applications, thus running emulators for backwards compatibility is part of the intended PC experience

Then by your very own argument newer consoles themselves won't play most of their own games that were made for there system because they need to download additional updates before you can play.

LOL I honestly don't know. Two dudes were arguing about that in regard to the X1 and PS4 and I said including all consoles and PC it's a rare occurrence.

I'm not actually sure WTF you are talking about here dude.

problem is, it's not a rare occurence on PC. I guess if you took the time to total up all the consoles then probably a minority would have backwards compatibility. But i'd imagine some of that is due to a change in format (cartridge->DVD).

You were trying to make the argument that a PC is not fully backwards compatible with some older games because it needed to download something in order for the game to work.

By that very same logic newer consoles are not compatible with their own games because they need to download something in order for the game to work.

LJ. let us help you what games do you want to play all this back and forth is cool but we all are here for gaming new or old ......what do you want to play?

He says Shannara, which I will try tonight and see how easy it is. Then post instructions.

Uh that's not what I said though. I said including the PC as a gaming device.....BC is still rare. And yes new formats would be problematic...but even sticking to the same format....few were BC.

Haha honestly yes this. What are the games? You have been asked multiple times.

Theme Hospital? Scorched Earth? Willy Beamish? Doom 1? Heretic? Magic carpet? Command and Conquer 1? Warcraft 1? The Dig?

EDIT: Thanks Menes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannara_(video_game) I'll have a look.

BC compatibility is not rare on PC as a gaming device....

That is false. The PC is the easiest to play old games on.

ROFL..............

Stupid people everywhere.

Mainly 1 though.

Actually that wasn't it. I did say not all games will play on current PCs. I did not say all or most. I said some. And I said that because I haven't been able to get one to work. And before you all chime in again...yes I did try all the fixes you've already mentioned. I gave up on the game. It just wouldn't work. So I qualified my statement for that reason...and because I don't like to generalize anything since an exception can always been found. But my argument wasn't really about the PC. I just allowed that as a gaming device because it isn't as restricted as consoles...it would still be a minority case that BC is common.

You know, this System Wars stuff is fun when it's light-hearted, but damn some of you guys take it way too far. Stop making up bullshit, and stop putting it online. It's like some of you people have no decency about yourselves at all.

*sigh* I don't know what you read. But I'll tell you it again. Comparing the history of gaming and all the various devices that have been used...ie computers, consoles, handhelds....what ever....BC is more rare than common.

I really don't know where you came up with the PC being hard to play old games on from that sentence dude.

That is what i was talking about as well. Saying PC doesn't have backwards compatibility for something because you have to install some software is an amazingly crap argument.

I was even talking about before that many current games wouldn't even run correctly or at all on vanilla windows because they need extra software that doesn't come with vanilla windows.

So, according to your logic, PC doesn't even have compatibility with current games

Oh, lets not forget that homebuilt PCs don't come with a preinstalled operating systems. I guess that means my computer would be incompatible with everything because i had to install windows, something that didn't come preinstalled on my HDD.

1. Install dosbox

2. download Shannara

3. Put files in a folder

4. Start dosbox

5. mount that folder to a drive

6. navigate there in DOS

7. type shannara.exe

I did not in that sentence ANYWHERE say BC is rare on the PC. I said including it as a gaming device....BC is still not common counting all the gaming devices as the pool from which we're talking.

I'm not entirely sure why you guys are reading it as PC is not BC. I said some games don't entirely work. I never said it wasn't BC.

I'm thinking more than one since several are attributing ideas to me I did not say.

@Renevent42 said:

@psymon100 said:

@granddogg said:

LJ. let us help you what games do you want to play all this back and forth is cool but we all are here for gaming new or old ......what do you want to play?

Haha honestly yes this. What are the games? You have been asked multiple times.

Theme Hospital? Scorched Earth? Willy Beamish? Doom 1? Heretic? Magic carpet? Command and Conquer 1? Warcraft 1? The Dig?

EDIT: Thanks Menes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannara_(video_game) I'll have a look.

1. Install dosbox

2. download Shannara

3. Put files in a folder

4. Start dosbox

5. mount that folder to a drive

6. navigate there in DOS

7. type shannara.exe

Good work soldier. I too can confirm that the game works.

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So. Are there any other games which don't work?

@psymon100: You have the disk then?

The files are exactly the same...all these are just the original files off the disks/cd's. If yours doesn't work it's not due to any difference in the files, it's because there might be something wrong with your disks/cds (ie physical/file corruption).

Basically all you would have to do is instead of downloading it, simply copy the files and folders off the disk/cd to a folder on your computer and the rest of the steps are exactly the same.

Yet my PC doesn't want to play the game disk no matter what I try.

Yes. Can you prove I don't? Moot point.

Game works bro. You were wrong bro. It was easy bro.

Bro.

You know there's no need to be dishonest bro....

The files are exactly the same. The site merely lets you download the exact files that are on the original disks.

I guarantee this works, and the reason you can't play is something you are doing wrong on your end (or your disk is corrupt). In fact, I tell you what, zip up the files and post it (it's only like 100MB) and I'll play your version too.

Proof?

@walloftruth said:

@Renevent42 said:

@psymon100 said:

@granddogg said:

LJ. let us help you what games do you want to play all this back and forth is cool but we all are here for gaming new or old ......what do you want to play?

Haha honestly yes this. What are the games? You have been asked multiple times.

Theme Hospital? Scorched Earth? Willy Beamish? Doom 1? Heretic? Magic carpet? Command and Conquer 1? Warcraft 1? The Dig?

EDIT: Thanks Menes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannara_(video_game) I'll have a look.

1. Install dosbox

2. download Shannara

3. Put files in a folder

4. Start dosbox

5. mount that folder to a drive

6. navigate there in DOS

7. type shannara.exe

Reported for piracy. See? That's why I hate the PC crowd, they always steal their games, is it really that hard to simply buy the damn game on GoG? People like you are like plaque on a dog's teeth.

LOL!

I was merely trying to assist LJ, I really have no interest in this game at all. I also probably buy more games then you, and all the game I play I do pay for. I have 162 games on Steam alone and that doesn't include all the physical copies on multiple systems that I own.

Way to overreact like a weirdo.

@walloftruth said:

@Renevent42 said:

@psymon100 said:

@granddogg said:

LJ. let us help you what games do you want to play all this back and forth is cool but we all are here for gaming new or old ......what do you want to play?

Haha honestly yes this. What are the games? You have been asked multiple times.

Theme Hospital? Scorched Earth? Willy Beamish? Doom 1? Heretic? Magic carpet? Command and Conquer 1? Warcraft 1? The Dig?

EDIT: Thanks Menes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannara_(video_game) I'll have a look.

1. Install dosbox

2. download Shannara

3. Put files in a folder

4. Start dosbox

5. mount that folder to a drive

6. navigate there in DOS

7. type shannara.exe

Reported for piracy. See? That's why I hate the PC crowd, they always steal their games, is it really that hard to simply buy the damn game on GoG? People like you are like plaque on a dog's teeth.

Seems to me that his acquisition of the software would be covered under 'Fair Use', as he was doing this purely for educational purposes. Is there any proof of criminal intent to play and enjoy this game without paying for it?

So I'd say go ahead, get the team of lawyers in to catch this pirate who clearly only acquired the game in order to prove someone else was lacking in technical competencies. All the evidence is right here in this thread.