Oblivion Proves What Cows Have Said All Along

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

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They've still had an extra year. It's not like they started everything from scratch for the PS3.

KeyWii

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Quack_Attack"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="sonicare"]the developers have had access to the system before its launch, genius.KeyWii

And with that statement you've contradicted yourself.

You say there's no way of telling when Bethesda got the PS3 dev kits...

But in the same breath you say it couldn't have accounted for much time...

The same applies to the 360 dev kits in 2005 so your argument doesn't hold much water.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

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They've still had an extra year. It's not like they started everything from scratch for the PS3.

Dekuxutu

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]The 360 has 512MB unified ram between the CPU and GPU while the PS3 has 256MB each exclusive to the CPU and GPU. What this means is that if a 360 game only needs 200MB ram for the CPU, the other 312 can be used in the GPU for textures etc. The PS3 can only use 256MB max for the CPU and GPU at any given time. The 360 also has around 10 extra MBs of ram for the GPU.

This is why the 360 can produce better textures.
KeyWii

It wont for long. and that was stupid, he said 360 can produce better textures, and you argue that a game released a year after another game has better textures, meaning the PS3  produces better textures?

That means the developer produced better textures.

The same applies to the 360 dev kits in 2005 so your argument doesn't hold much water.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]The 360 has 512MB unified ram between the CPU and GPU while the PS3 has 256MB each exclusive to the CPU and GPU. What this means is that if a 360 game only needs 200MB ram for the CPU, the other 312 can be used in the GPU for textures etc. The PS3 can only use 256MB max for the CPU and GPU at any given time. The 360 also has around 10 extra MBs of ram for the GPU.

This is why the 360 can produce better textures.
KeyWii

they did not start from scratch on the ps3 version, therefore yes, they had more time to work on it. thstd why it may have some graphical advantages

/thread.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]The 360 has 512MB unified ram between the CPU and GPU while the PS3 has 256MB each exclusive to the CPU and GPU. What this means is that if a 360 game only needs 200MB ram for the CPU, the other 312 can be used in the GPU for textures etc. The PS3 can only use 256MB max for the CPU and GPU at any given time. The 360 also has around 10 extra MBs of ram for the GPU.

This is why the 360 can produce better textures.
Dekuxutu

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

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They've still had an extra year. It's not like they started everything from scratch for the PS3.

KeyWii

But the same argument could be given to the 360.  If a game were to use more than 256MB of ram for textures on the 360, it would have to be downgraded in order to be ported to the PS3.
Dekuxutu

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]The 360 has 512MB unified ram between the CPU and GPU while the PS3 has 256MB each exclusive to the CPU and GPU. What this means is that if a 360 game only needs 200MB ram for the CPU, the other 312 can be used in the GPU for textures etc. The PS3 can only use 256MB max for the CPU and GPU at any given time. The 360 also has around 10 extra MBs of ram for the GPU.

This is why the 360 can produce better textures.
KeyWii

So the extra 200 bucks get me a slightly better port with less content? Isn't this the Resident Evil argument that cows bashed the sheep for? Remember, RE4 looked slightly better for the GC but cows claimed that RE 4 on the PS2 was better because it had the extra content and the very slight (almost unnoticable) graphical difference was not important? Hmmm.......I smell hypocrisy...

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]But the same argument could be given to the 360. If a game were to use more than 256MB of ram for textures on the 360, it would have to be downgraded in order to be ported to the PS3.
KeyWii

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]But the same argument could be given to the 360. If a game were to use more than 256MB of ram for textures on the 360, it would have to be downgraded in order to be ported to the PS3.
Dekuxutu

Shack: Can you offer any insight into how much of that was made possible by the PS3 hardware versus simply the additional development time?

Pete Hines: It was entirely due to extra development time. It's not like the PS3 can do this and the others can't, it's actually something we were considering doing for the other platforms as well.

http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/020807_petehines_1.x

Someone

Aside from the harsh, unnecessary words I edited out, this post kills the TC's argument.

they did not start from scratch on the ps3 version, therefore yes, they had more time to work on it. thstd why it may have some graphical advantages

/thread.

Rob2223

I love how KeyWii ignores this post as well as the more or less same post from RPGamer:lol:

It's hilarious to watch really :)

[QUOTE="Someone"]

Shack: Can you offer any insight into how much of that was made possible by the PS3 hardware versus simply the additional development time?

Pete Hines: It was entirely due to extra development time. It's not like the PS3 can do this and the others can't, it's actually something we were considering doing for the other platforms as well.

http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/020807_petehines_1.x

The_Game21x

Aside from the harsh, unnecessary words I edited out, this post kills the TC's argument.

This thread has been obliterated.

[QUOTE="Someone"]

Shack: Can you offer any insight into how much of that was made possible by the PS3 hardware versus simply the additional development time?

Pete Hines: It was entirely due to extra development time. It's not like the PS3 can do this and the others can't, it's actually something we were considering doing for the other platforms as well.

http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/020807_petehines_1.x

The_Game21x

Aside from the harsh, unnecessary words I edited out, this post kills the TC's argument.

"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
KeyWii

Self own much? ;)

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

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They've still had an extra year. It's not like they started everything from scratch for the PS3.

KeyWii

Take into consideration that Bethesda would probably have to recode the entire game to run more effeciently on 360. They aren't doing this because the 360 version is done and released and they have much better things to do, like finishing the PS3 version and Shivering Isles for 360 and PC.

If the PS3 version of Oblivion looks and runs better than Shivering Isles for 360 then we'll see if it's a matter of development time or hardware related. Or perhaps both.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
The_Game21x

Self own much? ;)

"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
KeyWii

Since when do we start judging how graphically capable the PS3 and the 360 are by two games that are a year apart?

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]But the same argument could be given to the 360. If a game were to use more than 256MB of ram for textures on the 360, it would have to be downgraded in order to be ported to the PS3.
KeyWii

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
KeyWii

Self own much? ;)

You said, and I quote,

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader codeKeyWii

When it clearly states in the passage itself that it's due to a "new custom pixel shader".

So you've just continued your own self ownage.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
Dekuxutu

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]Cool, but I wouldn't care so much for Oblivion since I've already played it. Great that you guys are getting a good game, but the comparison would be a lot more "ownage" if there was a multiplatform game for both systems releasing at the same time and one looked superior over the other.KeyWii

Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
KeyWii

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...KeyWii

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
Dekuxutu

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...KeyWii

Which is due to the extra year of development and optimization time.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...The_Game21x

Which is due to the extra year of development and optimization time.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

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They've still had an extra year. It's not like they started everything from scratch for the PS3.

KeyWii

The 360 version was released a year ago. The same graphical advantage is also being implemented into the 360 version with an update.Dekuxutu

Typical Cow...talking a bunch of BS before the game is even out just like they did about the PS3 and look what has happened so far...every multiplat for 360 and PS3 has scored better for the 360.

What makes you think Oblvion will be any different? Come back and talk to me when PS3 gets a game that looks half as good as Gears of War. But teh cell!!!!!
lawsonboy

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="Dekuxutu"][QUOTE="KeyWii"]"The real enhancement is in the visuals and, to some extent, the loading times. The game seemed to have a slightly smoother and more consistent frame rate than it did on the Xbox, though the difference wasn't enormous, and it seemed to us that the textures looked just a tad sharper. More obvious (and confirmed by Bethesda) was an improvement to the game's texturing over large distances. Remember how the original Oblivion had a line set an arbitrary distance in front of the player beyond which ground textures turned into kind of a muddy mess? That's all taken care of now, thanks to a new custom pixel shader."

As you can see, the textures looking sharper had nothing to do with the new shader code
KeyWii

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...KeyWii

Which is due to the extra year of development and optimization time.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Says KeyWii, the biggest Sony fanboy in SW. The sharper textures are getting patched to the 360 version btw. And the game better run a little better. They've only had an extra YEAR to optimize it...KeyWii

Which is due to the extra year of development and optimization time.

And yet there is absolutely no proof of that nor evidence to back up your claims. :wink:

You can say it's due to the "better hardware" all you like, but all that says to me is you've run out of arguments.

[QUOTE="lawsonboy"]Typical Cow...talking a bunch of BS before the game is even out just like they did about the PS3 and look what has happened so far...every multiplat for 360 and PS3 has scored better for the 360.

What makes you think Oblvion will be any different? Come back and talk to me when PS3 gets a game that looks half as good as Gears of War. But teh cell!!!!!
KeyWii

[QUOTE="Dekuxutu"]The 360 version was released a year ago. The same graphical advantage is also being implemented into the 360 version with an update.Skippyj9

KeyWii... your a well known troll and you at least "normally" do an ok job of getting peoples backs up...

However you really have stuffed up this little thead

Your OP was all about trying to prove the PS3 hardware is better based solely on the fact you think development time had
nothing to do with the PS3 Oblivion improvements. Now thats blown out of the water your entire thread is quite meaningless

Yes the PS3 does and should have a little edge on the 360 version... and yes it might not be patched over. But it was stated
by them that it was *solely* due to the extra development time and *nothing* that was added could not be added to PC/360 versions.

So thats it really, end thread... you tryed but it didn't work, try another topic.