NPD has been underestimating digital game sales since at least 2010

Minecraft mainly and the profits M$ gets from Windows Phones and Tablets. Minecraft alone is 30 million+ on mobile (2015) which is bigger than any other game sold by M$.

Microsoft has mobile gaming. It's tiny anyone think's this a huge revenue earner is an idiot.

Windows 10/xbox one gaming. Good revenue earner maybe 5 to 15 per cent? Steam is way bigger. Tablet and PC is included here. You guys are struggling to come up with other game besides Minecraft that's popular across devices

Xbox one/ 360. Biggest earner most profit.

Dev Engines. Good revenue

Sony has Vita a handheld and VR headsets. Microsoft has touched this part of gaming yet.

100+ million copies sold since 2009. Gamers who bought this game in 2009 could be long gone and don't play anymore?

It idiotic to think 100+ million sales means all 100 million still play the game and buy dlc.

It's even more idiotic to think that the in game profits of such a huge franchise are irrelevant or small. Maybe it's not 1 billion, could be 600-800 million, still is huge and that's without taking into account the actual game sales.

NPD report 74 per cent of sales United States was digital. Only 26 per cent bought stuff physically.

200 million for DLC anf micro-purchases is not small that's huge. Thinking its's 600 million to 800 billion is just weird. Thats 60+ milllion people in just 2016 alone buying new stuff on Minecraft?

So no source then? Got it...

Minecraft

Minecraft

Minef*ckingcraft

Minetransactions in Microcraft

And that's probably just US sales figures. Those billions in revenue are world wide from what I remember.

"2015 consumer spending was previously reported as $16.5 billion, rather than the $23.2 billion indicated by current data"

Is my math off or something?

also they seem to count DLC as well which cannot be bought physically, so really this whole thing is bs again...

The monthly active users on Minecraft are 40 million so no, that 60+ million people spent money on the game in a whole year is not weird. In fact it is very plausible.

Its commonsense. You guys can't win this argument.

Minecraft is a 2016 6.6 billion money spinner. You guys are funny to me. It just a funny as PS3 won last gen debates and when i proved that to be false. You guys left that thread fast enough to not reply again.

So you claim to "prove" stuff but when asked for evidence you claim "it's common sense". Learn to science son, this is not alternative facts land.

I don't know what monthy active userbase is

Just say 40 million and every person to spend 10$ would equal 400 million. The entire game costs 10$ on the Windows store. It's a stretch and your figures are a stretch.

We got a figure of 6.6 billion gaming revenue 2016.

Minecraft at 30 million copies is 300 million. And did Microsoft even sell 30 million?

Commonsense factors in where else would they make that money. I listed the likely places.

MONTHLY active users are 40 million https://mojang.com/2016/06/weve-sold-minecraft-many-many-times-look/

That's per MONTH not per year. So 60+ million people spending around $10 on the game per year is definitely not far fetched

40 million is not 60 million. Was the 40 million users the highest number recorded?

6.6 billion is just revenue for 2016. Its just not realistic to believe the majority of gamers who own Minecraft buy DLC.

And anyway it's a false argument because the issue here is how they made 6.6 billion in 2016.

You understand the fact that a month is not the same as a year right? That 40 million users per month means 40 million users per month and that it doesn't mean the next month the exact same users are active. I'm thinking that you probably have a problem if you don't understand these simple facts.

Common sense is not proof. And it's not a substitute for facts and evidence. You have no evidence to back up your claims. That makes them opinion, not fact. It's not an argument at this point. You can't win either.

40 million don't tell us much. Next month it could be 20 million., following month it could be 30 million.

We don't who's playing the month on month, could be the same gamer's?

Anyway come back to this thread when you got a solid reply. Go away and try to figure out where Microsoft 6.6 billion gaming revenue is coming from!

If they say per month that means it is an average. So in one month it could be 20 million but on the next it will be 60 million to average it. You started this thread and have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever to your ridiculous claims so stop demanding from others what you are not capable of doing.

Commonsense, rational thought, and i think the evidence does back up my claim. I can't say my information is factual, i don't work for Microsoft. The 6..6 billion revenue came in from somewhere and only a few places will generate that revenue for MS.

Does it matter? Once companies are getting the support NPD miss representation does not make a difference. Only fanboys give a shit about NPD numbers and its accuracy.

Way to contradict yourself completely in less than 15 words lol

I disagree the 6.6 billion MS earned from gaming is a starting point and backs up everything i say. You guys have not disputed the 6.6 billion figure. So why you guys attacking me with minecraft garbage to explain away what i said? Take off the blinkers.

You can not disagree with fact hon.

Ok what evidence? That's what I'm asking for. Just saying 6 billion earned isn't evidence to where that 6 billion came from. You claiming it's all Xbox is speculation, not fact.

You know what Analyst is right?

I'm out it's obvious you guys don't know where the 6.6 billion revenue came from. We have to listen to you ramble on about Minecraft and xbox one game'S flopping.

We discussed this already. Commonsense is its xbox one, xbox live, xbox .

Facts have prevailed! Thread fail confirmed

My argument prevails. Until i see a good reply i am out of this thread. If you guys want to believe Microsoft gaming revenue is because of Minecraft and mobile gaming, go ahead. I'm out no time for that nonsense.

And that's my que. You either don't know what evidence and facts are, or you're so desperate to damage control that you're pretending their something else. Good day, Tiger...

@loe12k: until you can find xbox one digital sales only you fail.

You can pretend ms suddenly started hidding specific numbers around the time i was clear ps4 was ahead was just a coincidence.

Just makes every desperate post you make that much more pricless to read lol.

Especially having a idea who your alt was last gen.

Part of it is. Around 1 billion I would say.

On top of that, those numbers from that list (6 Bliion, 7 Billion) are estimates that NewZoo came up with. They're not even official numbers. Could be higher or lower.

True dat. Funny how lems accept estimated data for that but not for game sales comparisons lol

This right here lol

Does it matter?

MS isn't giving out numbers on anything.

@loe12k:

Quote :

"Xbox gamer's knew this was the case. Xbox games are obviously selling better digitally than Physical.

When Microsoft made 6.6 billion in 2016 ( Sony 7.8 billion) Xbox one with half the install base of PS4 you know something is up!"

Just shut up! MS Gaming division is NOT just Xbox. 6.6 billion is combined with XBL, Windows 10, mobile, tablet.

Xboners trying to made up an spin everything these days. No wonder why Xbone is selling like piece of crap worldwide. Sonner Xbone dies, the better.

Btw. starting in next NPD and beyond, digital sales from all MS's platforms will be included in charts.

@loe12k: Lol, I've never seen you make an intelligent post, it's all tinfoil hat bs with a sprinkling of derp mixed in for good measure.

PS3 outsold the 360 last gen, you didn't prove anything in the other thread other then you have a ton of tinfoil hats laying around, you brought nothing but guesses to the table trying to "win" that argument and you're doing the samething here. You have zero facts and when facts are brought to the table you ignore them or just come up with more bs with zero facts backing it up.

Good grief! Now $ony fans are against digital sales? They just can't win.

Minecraft on the PC is $27. Based on my kid's (and her friends') own use, they prefer the PC version because the mods are easier to come by. Hardly anyone plays the base game nowadays.

Lol, now tiger claiming he proved 360 outsold PS3? Someone point me in that direction, I could go for the comedy.

$6billion in Xbox revenue = Minecraft in Cows minds.

Sony Fan continue to be the clowns of SW.

You need to take Reading Comprehension Class 101 ASAP

Not surprising that digital is so large now. I see little reason to have disc games.

@Zero_epyon: Don't be ridiculous, it's not Minecraft. 6 billion in revenue, and Microsoft buys it for 2 billion? 2 years ago they had 300mil revenue, and that has grown by 600% in 2 years?

if microsoft and sony wanna give digital sales they need to come out an say them like NPD does for physical

this smoke and mirror crap microsoft is doing with console sales and digital sales needs to end imo

@ProtossRushX: Why?

lol wrecked...