Nintendo 1st party are just a bunch of indies with a Nintendo logo slapped on top?

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#1 IvanGrozny
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Are Nintendo fans fools for paying 70USD for the same kind of games you get on Steam for 20 just without Mario-themed skins?

Like, come on boys, many Steams indies have better production values than so called Nintendo 1st party.

Should we go and free those poor Illegal peasants Nintendo enslaved to keep making their “AAA” exclusives?

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#2 madrocketeer
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Nintendo certainly don't spend as much money to make their games as Sony and Microsoft do, but I wouldn't call them indies-tier.

Mid-budget AA games, if you want to be harsh.

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#3  Edited By hardwenzen
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I say let them. I enjoy seeing Nintendo fans on their own in their natural habitat and observe how low it can get. The current state of Nintendo releases is at its lowest that we've seen in over a decade. This reminds me of lems in 2013, when they were simply refusing to accept facts about the situation of their system of choice. Its ain't random that Casey is melting in every thread, creates validation threads on daily basis and refuses to acknowledge the current situation.

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#4  Edited By JasonOfA36
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TBF, the most indies did copy Nintendo off. Nintendo themselves are still good devs in terms of gameplay, but yeah, Nintendo games are generally not that earth-shattering like they were once were.

That, and I just want BOTW 2.

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#5 Maroxad
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Nintendo are an AA studio, same as the likes of Larian.

Works well for me!

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#6 Mesome713
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Indies try to copy Nintendo’s greatness, but none can come close. No company can make games as good as Nintendo. $70 is cheap for a Nintendo game, we should be paying Nintendo $100 for such greatness.

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#7 SecretPolice
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Got Milk?

Silly sheep I tellz ya. lol :P

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#8 onesiphorus  Online
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Talk about the games, not the fanboys!

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#9 robert_sparkes
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Can't really call breath of the wild an indie it's a quality title.

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#10 Litchie
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@ivangrozny said:

Are Nintendo fans fools for paying 70USD

First party Nintendo games are 60 or less. I've never seen an indie game for that much. They usually cost the same on Switch as Steam, but Steam usually have better and more frequent sales.

@ivangrozny said:

for the same kind of games you get on Steam for 20 just without Mario-themed skins?

Which indie game that costs much more on Switch than Steam and comes with Mario-themed skins are we talking about?

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Like, come on boys, many Steams indies have better production values than so called Nintendo 1st party.

There's some lazy Nintendo games outperformed in production values by indie games, but it's more often the other way around. Especially when Nintendo tries.

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#11 Ghost_of_Phobos
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Considering there's plenty of indies with much better game design than your average AAA you might be right.

Superior games with a Nintendo sticker.

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#12 TheEroica  Moderator
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So much wrong in this thread...first, being Nintendo makes highly polished well thought out video games that have replayability and lasting power throughout the years...

Second, when you mention them being more like indie titles that's a good thing... Indie titles take gameplay risks and focus heavily on gameplay in most cases.... The AAA scene is where the chicken s### dev teams exist bringing you the same games over and over again...

There are people who won't play indie titles but will gleefully jump into yet another waste of time Uncharted game from a developer that would probably love to have the freedom of an indie studio.

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#13 jaydan
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Someone's upset Playstation games cost $70.

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#14 blaznwiipspman1
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Indies have come a long way. One of my favorite games ever is an indie, called subnautica.

Cris tales is an indie that has one of the best art style I've seen. Honestly the graphics are amazing.

I dont know why you're disrespecting indies, but to me they have been carrying the shit out of this gen so far.

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#15 Pedro
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To some extent I agree. But most would argue to the contrary.🤷‍♂️

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I personally see Nintendo's line up as having an "A" list and a "B" list. The A list I think can hold the AAA moniker while the B list is filler-ware that less people get hyped for and/or games that have the production values that an indie studio could easily do.

"A" list games I consider are the standard Mario/Mario kart, Zelda, Pokemon sequels we've all seen for generations. They sell well, typically have high(er) production values, and usually only come out once every 4-5 years.

The "B" list is in-between those 5 year "A" list releases. Games like Mario tennis/golf, ARMS, splatoon, captian toad, Kirby, Mario Party, labo, hyrule warriors. These game aren't usually mention as reasons to own something Nintendo, they're released as padding in-between bigger releases.

Dread is being marketed as an "A" list game because they need a holiday filler game. I think it looks like an indie sidescroller. If you took out the metroid name and likenesses from Dread and substituted it with something else, I'm positive it would be dismissed as another indie game with low production values.

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#17 Mesome713
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@rmiller365: What Indie game looks as good as Metroid Dread?

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#18 rmiller365
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@mesome713: Saturnalia, the Red lantern, Coud Punk, Hades, Ori, and Disco Elysium to name a few. All are all indie developed games that have production values and details on par or better than Dread's offerings.

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#19  Edited By judaspete
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I wouldn't say this assessment is wrong. A lot of Nintendo's games are similar to or of genres only indie studios make, but they still have a AAA level of polish for the most part. Take ARMS for example. There are similar games like Last Fight, Override, or Combat Core, but ARMS has cleaner visuals, tighter controls, and much more fluid animations. Still shouldn't be a $60 game, but better production all the same.

And the reason I put up with this from Nintendo is they are the only major player that still bothers with genres that AAA abandoned. There are only so many cinematic-third-person action games I care to play.

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#20  Edited By Mesome713
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@rmiller365: Ori is the only one that looks close. But they have a lot of money since Microsoft funded them from the start.

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#21 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Games is the only thing Nintendo get right... They make horrible hardware, but their first party software is almost flawless.

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#22 rmiller365
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@mesome713: I think an unbiased eye would say otherwise, considering some of those games I mentioned are full 3D offerings that look better by comparison. I'm not saying it's bad either. I love indie games, and not every game has to be a graphical powerhouse. But it's obvious to an unbiased eye that there are quite a few indie titles with production values that can rival a side stroller Nintendo makes. It's not that hard to see.

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#23 Pedro
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@mesome713 said:

@rmiller365: Ori is the only one that looks close. But they have a lot of money since Microsoft funded them from the start.

Ori doesn’t look close, Ori visually destroys the competition.

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#24  Edited By Mesome713
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@rmiller365: Yeah, Microsoft spent big money to make Ori very pretty. They did good in the 5 years it took them to make the game. As for Hades…no. That game is so small. It’s an amazing Indie game, best game of this year and last year. But it doesn’t look as good as Metroid Dread. Dread is one of the most impressive 2D games ever made. The way it does character and background animations is breathtaking. And the music is just heaven sent.

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#25 my_user_name
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I would say their games are overpriced... ridiculously so alot of the time.

Any sidescroller at $60 is crazy to me when Ori is selling for $30.

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#26 Mesome713
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@my_user_name: Ori selling at $30 is crazy. You can get similar games for $20.

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@my_user_name: Ori selling at $30 is crazy. You can get similar games for $20.

No you cannot.

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#28  Edited By Mesome713
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@Pedro: I bought Enter the Dungeon for $15, it’s a much better and longer game. Plus has better looking art.

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@mesome713: To your biased eye, I'm sure it is. But anyone looking at indie games you ignored like Cloud Punk, Red lantern, and Saturnalia and comparing side by side to the graphics of Dread, they'll pick the indie games. Again, Dread is a 2D sidescroller. Most wouldn't expect a powerhouse graphically. But to say a 2D sidescroller looks better than some of these full 3D indie games with unique art styles just because Nintendo is making it is asinine.

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#30 Sagemode87
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@jaydan: doesn't bother me at all. Already have over 20 games in my PS5 library.

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#31  Edited By Pedro
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@Pedro: I bought Enter the Dungeon for $15, it’s a much better and longer game. Plus has better looking art.

Enter the Gungeon is not even in the same league as Ori visually. It is not even the same kind of game. So not only were you wrong in your claim, you also agree that Metroid Dread is overpriced. 😂

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#32 Mesome713
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@Pedro: I think it’s art is way more impressive. It’s programming is also cooler than Ori. Plus it’s more fun to play and a longer game than Ori. But yes, Metroid Dread is worth every penny. It’s the most impressive looking visually, gameplay wise, and sound I have yet to see in a 2D game.

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#33 osan0
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They range from Indie to AA. I dont think they make anything that would meet modern AAA production standards.

Even their big production. the Marios, Zeldas, Xenoblades, Fire Emblem maybe. Certainly bigger than i have seen from indies but below a GOW or Halo and way WAYYY below a GTA.

then you have their smaller productions like 2D metroids, yoshi games, kirby, advance wars. made by smaller teams on tighter budgets.

of course production budget does not dictate quality. just because something costs a fortune to produce doesnt inherently make it better.

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#34  Edited By Pedro
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@Pedro: I think it’s art is way more impressive. It’s programming is also cooler than Ori. Plus it’s more fun to play and a longer game than Ori. But yes, Metroid Dread is worth every penny. It’s the most impressive looking visually, gameplay wise, and sound I have yet to see in a 2D game.

The art can be objectively argued as being significantly weaker. The programming cooler? What? The rest is your opinion and I don't argue opinions. Also you are commenting on gameplay you factually haven't played. I will mark you down as a shill.

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#35 Mesome713
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@Pedro: I stated impressive looking gameplay. And yes, everything we debated about was an opinion. Just like Ori looks better visually than Dread is just an opinion.

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@mesome713 said:

@Pedro: I stated impressive looking gameplay. And yes, everything we debated about was an opinion. Just like Ori looks better visually than Dread is just an opinion.

Are you blind?

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#37  Edited By Mesome713
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@hardwenzen: No, you think colors can fool me? That world is very unimpressive. It’s lifeless.

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#38  Edited By Pedro
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@hardwenzen said:

Are you blind?

Yes he is. Shill blindness.

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@hardwenzen: No, you think colors can fool me? That world is very unimpressive.

WUT?! nvm, you must into washed out visuals from BOTW

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#40 Mesome713
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@hardwenzen: Actually i love the art of BotW. It’s amazing and full of life.

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#41 hardwenzen
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@hardwenzen: Actually i love the art of BotW. It’s amazing and full of life.

Not my point. You say that you're not impressed with the beautiful color palette in Ori, but praise this washed out shit in botw.

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#42 Mesome713
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@hardwenzen: Cause I feel the art is just cooler looking. Ori is too dark with neon looking colors. I don’t care for such a style.

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#43 hardwenzen
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@hardwenzen: Cause I feel the art is just cooler looking. Ori is too dark with neon looking colors. I don’t care for such a style.

You have poor taste, and that's okay.

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#44  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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Yet I find most of Nintendo's first party games (and a lot of indie games for that matter) more enjoyable than a lot of the offerings from the others (in particular, PS first party) which are much more expensive to make. So each to their own. The value of a game and how much someone is willing to pay for it, is in the eye of the beholder.

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Don't agree. Nintendo games are not indie because they have bigger teams and budgets. However I prefer Nintendo games and indies over almost all 'AAA' games these days. Gameplay over raw graphics.

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#46 hardwenzen
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@svaubel said:

Don't agree. Nintendo games are not indie because they have bigger teams and budgets. However I prefer Nintendo games and indies over almost all 'AAA' games these days. Gameplay over raw graphics.

I love how you sheep always pretend that AAA has nothing else but graphics because you know you ain't getting these AAA titles, anyways, so what's the point of being hyped for them🤦‍♂️

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@ivangrozny said:

Are Nintendo fans fools for paying 70USD for the same kind of games you get on Steam for 20 just without Mario-themed skins?

Short answer: Yes

Long Answer: Yes.

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#48  Edited By Eoten
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@hardwenzen said:
@svaubel said:

Don't agree. Nintendo games are not indie because they have bigger teams and budgets. However I prefer Nintendo games and indies over almost all 'AAA' games these days. Gameplay over raw graphics.

I love how you sheep always pretend that AAA has nothing else but graphics because you know you ain't getting these AAA titles, anyways, so what's the point of being hyped for them🤦‍♂️

What are you talking about "you know you ain't getting these titles?" What about someone preferring an indie game makes AAA games inaccessible to them? Was some law passed that I must have glossed over that says a person who likes indie stuff cannot buy AAA stuff if they chose to?

You have no point to argue on this front. You're talking entirely out of your ass.

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@hardwenzen said:
@svaubel said:

Don't agree. Nintendo games are not indie because they have bigger teams and budgets. However I prefer Nintendo games and indies over almost all 'AAA' games these days. Gameplay over raw graphics.

I love how you sheep always pretend that AAA has nothing else but graphics because you know you ain't getting these AAA titles, anyways, so what's the point of being hyped for them🤦‍♂️

Most AAA games these days are play it over a weekend and never touch it again games, or a live service with a cash shop designed to milk as much money out of you as possible. Are there exceptions? Of course. Sorry that I have more hype for the likes of Nintendo's first party and indies like Hades, Subnautica, Ori, and Cuphead.

I like how you assume that I'm jealous over AAA games not being on the Switch. Thats what the PC and Series X is for ;)

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#50  Edited By LuxuryHeart
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Steam gamers are REALLY threatened by Nintendo nowadays. I take that as a sign that Nintendo is doing things the right way. They need to keep on this path.