X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.xxThyLordxx

Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.KeyWii

    Bundling what? Are you making stuff up again? MS has yet to even confirm this things existence and you already know how its going to be packaged?

    As for branding, you realize that Xbox is indeed a household name, and Microsoft is a worldwide name, right? As for brand superiority, Nintendo owned that title, and that never helped the Gamecube, did it? Names don't sell systems, games do.

    And a high-def media player? No one outside a small niche cares about Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or HVDs. 

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.JeffGenocideX

PS3 is a wannabe PC. FACT.

But really fails at it, and just about every game that has come out both the 360, and PS3. It has looked better on 360. FACT!

PROBLEM: The 20gig no longer exists.

And if it does, it's in the process of being extinct.

So, top of the line 360 is still $120 dollars cheaper.

Sorry.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]You're actually right BigBoss, I have brought this up many times. $20 difference between the two systems, people will go for the PS3. You get a blu-ray player for an extra $20 + all the great PS3 games. I don't see how anyone who already owns a 360 could run out and pick up the Zephyr when they may as well just buy a PS3. Also, PlayStation has brand name superiority, so a 360 in PS3 price range = Not good. And the new 360 looks like a blatant ripoff, it's black and has an hdmi port...KeyWii

Brand superiority? Than Microsoft? Maybe in gaming, but not in the real world.

And this model in not aimed at people who already own a 360, as there is no reason to buy this new one, since they play the same games.

This new model serves one purpose, to convince PS3 buyers to get a 360, since most people don't care about Blu-Ray (its true, most average people are content with DVD), and there is a larger HDD, HDMI, and a cheaper price than a PS3.

Hey KeyWii how come you ran out of two threads before because you couldn't admit you were wrong and you lied about the 360  only being able to 2 downloads qued at once. Why run out of two of your own threads? Can't just admit you're wrong?

I mean your brand is so superior which I guess makes you think you're superior so why not admit you were wrong almighty KeyWii?  

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.McSkombi

    How about when MS gave Apple support to bail it out of massive financial trouble? Buying development houses destroys gaming? Better tell that to EA. 

It is a Trojan Horse

[QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.Fusible

PS3 is a wannabe PC. FACT.

But really fails at it, and just about every game that has come out both the 360, and PS3. It has looked better on 360. FACT!

[QUOTE="Fusible"][QUOTE="JeffGenocideX"]

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.asmallchild

PS3 is a wannabe PC. FACT.

But really fails at it, and just about every game that has come out both the 360, and PS3. It has looked better on 360. FACT!

    Yes you did. FACT. 

Here's fanboy logic vs. common sense

Xbox360 core - $299
Xbox360 pre. - $399
Xbox360 New - $480 (mind you this is not even confirmed nor is the price confirmed but let's say this is fact and real)

PS3 20GB - $499 (Being discontinued)
PS3 60GB - $599

Common sense = PS3 is $120 more then the new 360 model which is an option if you want to get it and $200 more then the Premium model.

Fanboy logic = PS3 is only $20 more then the new 360 model and there are no other 360 models / packages other then the new one but the PS3 has the 20GB and 60GB

Hilarious 

(Oh and the 360 can only have 2 downloads in que unlike 6 for the PS3) 

[QUOTE="KeyWii"] Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.SpruceCaboose

Bundling what? Are you making stuff up again? MS has yet to even confirm this things existence and you already know how its going to be packaged?

As for branding, you realize that Xbox is indeed a household name, and Microsoft is a worldwide name, right? As for brand superiority, Nintendo owned that title, and that never helped the Gamecube, did it? Names don't sell systems, games do.

And a high-def media player? No one outside a small niche cares about Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or HVDs.

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.kcpp2b

Hey KeyWii how come you ran out of two threads before because you couldn't admit you were wrong and you lied about the 360  only being able to 2 downloads qued at once. Why run out of two of your own threads? Can't just admit you're wrong?

I mean your brand is so superior which I guess makes you think you're superior so why not admit you were wrong almighty KeyWii?  

Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.KeyWii

Depending on how good IPTV is, if it lives up to its billing it will easily provide high-definition movies & content to the 360 without the need of a media player. 

Hey fanboys, next time you say Sony is discontuning the 20GB PS3, check your facts first.

We reported on a rumor last week stating that perhaps Sony had quit making the 20GB model PS3. This has not only proven to be untrue, but it has Sony reporting that stores have simply been requesting a much higher supply of the 60GB model.

"The 20GB model of PS3 is available in North America, along with the 60GB model. While we make it available to retailers, they are the ones who ultimately place the order for what they want to sell, based on consumer demand. Overwhelmingly, retailers have been requesting the 60GB model, the mix has been about 80 percent 60GB, 20 percent 20GB retailer orders. So, the reason you might not be seeing the 20 GB is simply that retailers have been ordering more of the 60 GB unit."

 

http://console.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjQ3MzAsLCxoY29uc29sZSwsLDE=

K, thanks.

The Microsoft name, just like the Sony name, doesn't even factor in. It's the name of the PRODUCT. The PlayStation brand name is so much stronger than the Xbox brand name. And anyone with half an unbiased brain can tell you that. My dad still doesn't even know what an Xbox is, although he knows what I'm saying if I say Nintendo or PlayStation. Xbox isn't a household name. Sony and Microsoft are worldwide brands but like I said it doesn't matter, that only works for Nintendo, because all Nintendo focuses on is games. Bundling an HD-DVD player will never happen, I'm just saying anyone who wants a PS3 isn't going to look at the Zephyr and think "Oooh, an upgrade for less!" because it still doesn't offer one of the main selling points of the PS3, and if it did, it would be way too expensive and offer a deadbeat format to boot. Zephyr and the 120GB hard drive were designed for one thing, and that is IPTV. KeyWii

    When you buy a PC, are you buying a Dimension 2800, or are you buying a Dell? When you buy a car, are you buying a Prius, or are you buying a Toyota? When you buy a TV, are you buying a Bravia, or are you buying a Sony?

    The manufactures behind the models are what sells most people, which is why in the media, its always a Nintendo Wii, a Sony Playstation, a Microsoft Xbox.

    As for your dad, he is not everyone. Xbox is not as well known as Playstation, but it is quickly getting there. 

Hey fanboys, next time you say Sony is discontuning the 20GB PS3, check your facts first.

KeyWii

Oh, and you're not a fanboy?

By the way, please direct me to a link where I can buy an in-stock 20gig PS3.

Hey fanboys, next time you say Sony is discontuning the 20GB PS3, check your facts first.

 

20GB PS3 NOT Discontinued

We reported on a rumor last week stating that perhaps Sony had quit making the 20GB model PS3. This has not only proven to be untrue, but it has Sony reporting that stores have simply been requesting a much higher supply of the 60GB model.

 

 

"The 20GB model of PS3 is available in North America, along with the 60GB model. While we make it available to retailers, they are the ones who ultimately place the order for what they want to sell, based on consumer demand. Overwhelmingly, retailers have been requesting the 60GB model, the mix has been about 80 percent 60GB, 20 percent 20GB retailer orders. So, the reason you might not be seeing the 20 GB is simply that retailers have been ordering more of the 60 GB unit."

 

http://console.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjQ3MzAsLCxoY29uc29sZSwsLDE=

 

K, thanks.

KeyWii

    We aren't discontinuing them, you just cannot find them in stores. Got it. Thanks 

check your facts first

KeyWii

Hey KeyWii how many Downloads can the 360 have qued at once? Do you know the answer or do you wanna make one up?

 What's this KeyWii? More facts?

 http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25463134

Hey fanboys, next time you say Sony is discontuning the 20GB PS3, check your facts first.

 

20GB PS3 NOT Discontinued

We reported on a rumor last week stating that perhaps Sony had quit making the 20GB model PS3. This has not only proven to be untrue, but it has Sony reporting that stores have simply been requesting a much higher supply of the 60GB model.

 

 

"The 20GB model of PS3 is available in North America, along with the 60GB model. While we make it available to retailers, they are the ones who ultimately place the order for what they want to sell, based on consumer demand. Overwhelmingly, retailers have been requesting the 60GB model, the mix has been about 80 percent 60GB, 20 percent 20GB retailer orders. So, the reason you might not be seeing the 20 GB is simply that retailers have been ordering more of the 60 GB unit."

 

http://console.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjQ3MzAsLCxoY29uc29sZSwsLDE=

 

K, thanks.

KeyWii

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.thinicer

Depending on how good IPTV is, if it lives up to its billing it will easily provide high-definition movies & content to the 360 without the need of a media player.

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.KeyWii

Depending on how good IPTV is, if it lives up to its billing it will easily provide high-definition movies & content to the 360 without the need of a media player.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25463134 

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]Yes brand name superiority, in gaming in the REAL world. PlayStation is a household name. Xbox 360? Not even close. The only thing Microsoft has brand name superiority on is Windows OS. It's not going to convince any PS3 buyer to pick up the Zephyr, seeing as it still doesn't come with a hi-def media player. Can't blame MS for that though, bundling a dieing HD-DVD and upping the price to almost $700 is completely stupid. So the price tags are a lot closer but still lacks one of the main selling points.KeyWii

Depending on how good IPTV is, if it lives up to its billing it will easily provide high-definition movies & content to the 360 without the need of a media player.

Yeah but you'll need the ZEPHYR or the 120GB HDD to really even use IPTV. Zephyr was made specifically for IPTV. I suppose this was the PLAN B Microsoft had if HD-DVD fell through.KeyWii

"Really use" is debateable. With IPTV you will still be able to get high-definition movies in-demand. It doesn't need to be saved to your hard drive. 

It's not about games, it's about the sexiness of the consoleDrCoCoPiMp

Hey why argue with KeyWii guys?? Stop it! You just talk your non sense but keywii brings "facts" and never lies. He never says something without knowing anything about it. I mean he's played the 360 before so obvously he knows what he's saying when he wrote this:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25463134

And if that is 100% true and a reflection on his character everything he's saying here must also be true  

[QUOTE="KeyWii"]The Microsoft name, just like the Sony name, doesn't even factor in. It's the name of the PRODUCT. The PlayStation brand name is so much stronger than the Xbox brand name. And anyone with half an unbiased brain can tell you that. My dad still doesn't even know what an Xbox is, although he knows what I'm saying if I say Nintendo or PlayStation. Xbox isn't a household name. Sony and Microsoft are worldwide brands but like I said it doesn't matter, that only works for Nintendo, because all Nintendo focuses on is games. Bundling an HD-DVD player will never happen, I'm just saying anyone who wants a PS3 isn't going to look at the Zephyr and think "Oooh, an upgrade for less!" because it still doesn't offer one of the main selling points of the PS3, and if it did, it would be way too expensive and offer a deadbeat format to boot. Zephyr and the 120GB hard drive were designed for one thing, and that is IPTV. SpruceCaboose

When you buy a PC, are you buying a Dimension 2800, or are you buying a Dell? When you buy a car, are you buying a Prius, or are you buying a Toyota? When you buy a TV, are you buying a Bravia, or are you buying a Sony?

The manufactures behind the models are what sells most people, which is why in the media, its always a Nintendo Wii, a Sony Playstation, a Microsoft Xbox.

As for your dad, he is not everyone. Xbox is not as well known as Playstation, but it is quickly getting there.

Here's fanboy logic vs. common sense

Xbox360 core - $299
Xbox360 pre. - $399
Xbox360 New - $480 (mind you this is not even confirmed nor is the price confirmed but let's say this is fact and real)

PS3 20GB - $499 (Being discontinued)
PS3 60GB - $599

Common sense = PS3 is $120 more then the new 360 model which is an option if you want to get it and $200 more then the Premium model.

Fanboy logic = PS3 is only $20 more then the new 360 model and there are no other 360 models / packages other then the new one but the PS3 has the 20GB and 60GB

Hilarious 

 

(Oh and the 360 can only have 2 downloads in que unlike 6 for the PS3) 

kcpp2b

Exactly.  So people just won't buy the other two 360s just because a more expensive one is coming out?

I guess KeyWii would rather avoid me then admit he was wrong.

Well just further proof that KeyWii and everything he says cannot be trusted and that he's a 100% fanboy. Any adult would own up when they are wrong.

Like I said it's discontinued, maybe I'm wrong but you can't find it anywhere which is my point cause I can't find one in stores here unless they're just trying to sell it off to get rid of the ones hey have remaining maybe but still like I said FS and Bestbuy don't have one I can purchase and online shows only the 60GB version.

So KeyWii can you admit you were wrong on this, like you have been on many things? 

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25463134 

Congratulations, my IQ has dropped by reading this thread. FACT.

-John

Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version. The premium or core isnt cancelled and the new version isn't even confirmed.

Meanwhile the 20GB is hard to find while the 60GB isn't. 

You're actually right BigBoss, I have brought this up many times. $20 difference between the two systems, people will go for the PS3. You get a blu-ray player for an extra $20 + all the great PS3 games. I don't see how anyone who already owns a 360 could run out and pick up the Zephyr when they may as well just buy a PS3. Also, PlayStation has brand name superiority, so a 360 in PS3 price range = Not good. And the new 360 looks like a blatant ripoff, it's black and has an hdmi port...KeyWii

Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version. The premium or core isnt cancelled and the new version isn't even confirmed.

Meanwhile the 20GB is hard to find while the 60GB isn't.

kcpp2b

The 20gig is impossible to find. KeyWii posted a story where Sony says that retailers aren't buying it, but you can't even get the 20gig directly from Sony's online store. When you try to add the 20gig PS3 to your cart, you get a pop-up message saying that it's unavailable.

Sony fanboys should stop talking about the 20 gig like it's some kind of viable option. It's not an option if you can't find it anywhere.

I love it when cows have arguments about why the ps3 is better, yet games are strangely omitted from their posts. Brainwash FTW.TheCrazed420

 PS3 is better at collecting dust....

Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version.kcpp2b

It's still not a positive thing to do to your fanbase.

While I own a Xbox360 and will be voluntarily trading up to the Elite, I would have appreciated it if they had released this system from the very start.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version.asmallchild

It's still not a positive thing to do to your fanbase.

While I own a Xbox360 and will be voluntarily trading up to the Elite, I would have appreciated it if they had released this system from the very start.

I'm sure ms wanted to release this new system 1st but wanted to beat the ps3 to market dropped the spec to get under $400.

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.JeffGenocideX

PS3 is a wannabe PC. FACT.

let's hope you're right..

the ps3 needs all the help it can get.  it's flopping horribly...:(

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version.asmallchild

It's still not a positive thing to do to your fanbase.

While I own a Xbox360 and will be voluntarily trading up to the Elite, I would have appreciated it if they had released this system from the very start.

Poor fanboy. Who said the 360 would be $480?HyperMetaDragon

[QUOTE="asmallchild"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version.Bgrngod

It's still not a positive thing to do to your fanbase.

While I own a Xbox360 and will be voluntarily trading up to the Elite, I would have appreciated it if they had released this system from the very start.

X360 is a wannabe PS3. FACT.xxThyLordxx

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="asmallchild"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Just face it fanboys no one is forced to buy a new 360 version.asmallchild

It's still not a positive thing to do to your fanbase.

While I own a Xbox360 and will be voluntarily trading up to the Elite, I would have appreciated it if they had released this system from the very start.