Most of you kids are not harcore

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#1 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I hate the term "hardcore gamer", and that the problem with Nintendo at the moment is their overly-strong focus on non-games and mini-games. I ABSOLUTELY don't mind that there are a lot of these kinds of games on the Wii: what I do mind is that it's Nintendo who's using their resources to create them, because it's awaste of a world class developer.

I buy Nintendo products to play Nintendo games. Third parties (yes even Konami and Capcom) CANNOT touch Nintendo when they are at their best. This is because the developer excels in design, a factor overlooked by so many self-proclaimed hardcore gamers. For me, a TRUE "hardcore" gamer isn't someone who plays Gears of War, or pays $600 for one console, it's someone who DOESN'T do things like rip on Nintendo for being kiddie, which is one of the biggest clichés in gaming, and who appreciates the actual structural DESIGN of a good game, as well as intuitive controls etc. The fact that the Wii doesn't have great graphics all the time is COMPLETELY irrelevant, and anyone who has played a good Wii game and assessed what it is they enjoy about it will know that. It also helps if they're a TRUE "hardcore" gamer, because then they'll have standards which extend beyond visuals and the fact that there are GUNS in the game. If Wii games don't get any better looking than MP3 or SMG, then I would be TOTALLY fine with that if good game design and DEPTH become more common in the system's games.

I fully supported Nintendo, even in the Gamecube days because I still remain convinced that if certain Nintendo games appeaered on other systems, it would be an entirely different story.

For me, a crucial difference between "Killer apps" like SMG for Wii and MGS4 for PS3 is that Twilight Princess is already available, and people have moved on, realistically accepting that there's more to the console than the game they just played (although better Wii games are still on the horizon). But just look at the amount of Sony support which bases its entire foundation on this one game that they haven't played. If MGS4 was already available, then the same thing would happen: people would stop using it as a reason to buy the system, because it's one $60 game. They would look to the horizon exactly like Wii owners are doing and see NO MORE than a few games worth getting excited bout, EXACTLY like what Wii owners are doing.


Finally, anyone who thinks a game like Mario Kart or Super Mario Galaxy is not a hardcore game compared to Gears of War or GTA IV really needs to look at how they evaluate games because they seem to be equating depth and maturity with guns, and in many cases big boobs and swear words, which is too disturbing to think about.

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#2 Guiltfeeder566
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So... What are you trying to say?
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#3 Truffle-Shuffle
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People that play WoW are hardcore
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#4 jmorey01
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I am too harcore. :evil:
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#5 A_New_Life
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I'm just waiting mgs4 to come out and after that call it quits.
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#6 X_Evo
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Very nice post.. I agree with all points.
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#7 clone01
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he's saying that teh grim and violent does not necessarily equal hardcore. i agree.
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#9 DragonfireXZ95
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And you care about people being hardcore or not, why?

If people are being fanboys, let them be fanboys in their own little worlds.

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#10 ---OkeyDokey---
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i agree. people who write off games as being kiddie are not true gamers.

it also saddens me that shooting people online seems to be the definition of modern day gaming.

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#11 Vanadium2k8
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I say hardcore gamers are the people that buy less popular games to support them. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Viewtiful Joe or Trauma Center. Not the people buying CoD4, GTAIV or Final Fantasy. Of course I'm not saying the latter games are bad, but they're really popular and bought by casuals as well.
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#12 Hoobinator
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I am post-hardcore.
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#13 tekmojo
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thread fails hardcore
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#14 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I say hardcore gamers are the people that buy less popular games to support them. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Viewtiful Joe or Trauma Center. Not the people buying CoD4, GTAIV or Final Fantasy. Of course I'm not saying the latter games are bad, but they're really popular and bought by casuals as well.Vanadium2k8
Hardcore gamers are those that buy games that casuals don't buy?

Silly.

The whole term is crap, anyway. Just be gamers.

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#15 --ProtoMan--
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i agree. people who write off games as being kiddie are not true gamers.

it also saddens me that shooting people online seems to be the definition of modern day gaming.

---OkeyDokey---

Agreed. I can understand if people prefer mature titles, but to diss Nintendo games as kiddy without playing them is just dumb.

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#16 majadamus
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I say hardcore gamers are the people that buy less popular games to support them. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Viewtiful Joe or Trauma Center. Not the people buying CoD4, GTAIV or Final Fantasy. Of course I'm not saying the latter games are bad, but they're really popular and bought by casuals as well.Vanadium2k8

The reason why casuals don't play those games is because they're not the easiest of games.

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#17 HarlockJC
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Well darn it...I guess that I will have to get on with my life somehow. Has I go back to play Mario vs Sonic with my son.

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#18 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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thread fails hardcoretekmojo
after looking at your games list, you are the perfect example of what I am talking about.
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#19 rolo107
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Yup, people who don't rip on Wii are so hardcore. That's the definition.
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#20 Killfox
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I consider myself a hardcore gamer. When gaming and building computers becomes a hobby and not just something you do. I think it goes to the next level.

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#21 Shadow2k6
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Your right i'm probably not hardcore but I am a core gamer. There is no way anyone who owns a 360, Wii, PS3, DS, and PSP is a casual.

I did my part in supporting hardcore games by buying RE4 and not buying Wii Play and by planning to buy No More Heroes and SSBB but not buying Wii Fit.

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#22 DuDisNow
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All I know is, I'm a gamer that has owned almost every system since the NES. Does that make me...hardcore?
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#23 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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The fact you're defensive tells me..........no
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#24 DragonfireXZ95
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Look at this kid.. Now this kid is the definition of HARDCORE.

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#25 EntwineX
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So... What are you trying to say?Guiltfeeder566
Kinda what I was wondering as well.

Anyway, I don't consider myself a hardcore game even tho I've played games since C64 era. And Wii, whether you like it or not doesn't affect how HC you are, it's just a matter of preference.

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#27 wemhim
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I wouldn't consider myself hardcore, but experienced, I have experience with new and old games, violent, and "Kiddy". But I think hardcore is for people that are on the top of leaderboards and stuff like that.
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#28 Heil68
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Its the time you put into gaming, not what type of games you play.
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A poster crying foul about how "hardcore" is used to mean violence/sex, but with a wrestler as his avatar. Makes me pause a bit.
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#30 Cerberus_Legion
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There is no real "definition" for the term, Hardcore Gamer, simply because most gamers are different in many aspects and there is no standard to define them. I've ben gaming for 14 years, and I play all types of games, some more than others, and I've seen some stinkers which are acclaimed, and some gems which aren't well liked, but that's just me. I like Nintendo, but I feel the justification for waiting for a great game to appear once or twice a year is hardly any reason to praise the Wii; I support Nintendo, but in my heart, I feel slightly betrayed by their focus on a more "casual" market, as some would say, but I'll just they're expanding their horizons. Either way, what's a Hardcore Gamer and a good game to some is not the definition to others, and I'll just leave it at that.

I just love games; that's all there is to it. If I dedicate my well earned money on maximizing my gaming experience and buying the games I love, I've no need for the term, "Hardcore," because it's irrelevant.

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#31 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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A poster crying foul about how "hardcore" is used to mean violence/sex, but with a wrestler as his avatar. Makes me pause a bit.Bgrngod

by wrestler, you mean henry Rollins right?

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#32 the_h_bomb
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I made a thread the other day about promising looking games from Japanese devs and half of the people on here dismissed them because their wasnt enough violence in them

It really is pathetic

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#33 HarlockJC
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I made a thread the other day about promising looking games from Japanese devs and half of the people on here dismissed them because their wasnt enough violence in them

It really is pathetic

the_h_bomb

agreed....The game a person plays does not make him or her hardcore. It how much they love their games and what they are willing to do for them makes them hardcore.

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#34 WARxSnake
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lol, who cares what you think about yourself, if you are leet or not, in the industry, "hardcore gamer" = $$$ i.e. people who spend more money than the average on games, perfierals, and stupid collectors editions, etc.
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[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]A poster crying foul about how "hardcore" is used to mean violence/sex, but with a wrestler as his avatar. Makes me pause a bit.Nuck81

by wrestler, you mean henry Rollins right?

Apparently I do yes. How old is that pic? Last time I saw him he looked way older then that.

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#36 MasterC5
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Your right, in my opinion you are only hardcore if you consider gamin your hobby, and you play a wide variety of games in all kinds of genres.
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[QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"]

i agree. people who write off games as being kiddie are not true gamers.

it also saddens me that shooting people online seems to be the definition of modern day gaming.

--ProtoMan--

Agreed. I can understand if people prefer mature titles, but to diss Nintendo games as kiddy without playing them is just dumb.

People on here diss them because they have simply outgrown or gotten tired of Nintendo's franchises. After a decade or so, believe it or not, Mario and Zelda get old for some people.

And Nintendo is casual and always will be casual. They even state that their idea of gaming is to create games that appeal to all age groups (like Pixar movies) and to be easily accessible by everyone. Thats the definition of casual. They want people who don't play games often or who have never played games.

Thats why a significant amount of "hardcore" gamers, don't care about Nintendo or the games available on its console, whatever that may be at the time. They make good games, but refuse to make games outside of their traditional hallowed franchises.

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#38 the_h_bomb
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agreed....The game a person plays does not make him or her hardcore. It how much they love their games and what they are willing to do for them makes them hardcore.

HarlockJC

The irony of it is that these RPGs that are dismissed for being "Emo" or "too japanese" are infinitely more hardcore than the crappy identikit shooters most of the people on here love so much. The people on this board think that Halo and Call of duty are hardcore which is one of the most pathetic things i've ever heard

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#39 AirGuitarist87
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I'm a gamer, that's usually how I view myself. I feel no need to prove myself as "hardcore" to anyone and play whatever games I want, from the "non-hardcore" titles like CoD4 to those that I feel only a few know about like Tokobot Plus and Ristar.
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#40 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]A poster crying foul about how "hardcore" is used to mean violence/sex, but with a wrestler as his avatar. Makes me pause a bit.Bgrngod

He has aged quite a bit. My wrestling knowledge ends With Hulk Hogan being a bad guy and wearing black...

by wrestler, you mean henry Rollins right?

Apparently I do yes. How old is that pic? Last time I saw him he looked way older then that.

He has aged quite a bit. My wrestling knowledge ends with Hulk Hogan wearing black and being a bad guy.

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#41 Virus214
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Good post man. I skimmed a long it due to length, and my shortness of time. but i get the jist of what your sayin. and its put together very well. Good job.
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#42 CommanderTy
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No Way im Hardcore i Use the N word as if i were talkin to my mother and swear insted of say or talk normaly to a person lol i hate kids like that but yeah good point my friend i would consider myself a hardcore gamer because thats pritty much all i do besides the fact that im a hardcore X-country runner
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#43 MadExponent
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I wouldn't call myself a "hardcore" gamer per'se. I am a hardcore Counter-Strike: Source player with 19 LAN's under my belt as well as CAL-I and CEVO-M/P experience. I am also a hardcore Guild Wars player as I have TONS of achievements as well as being ranked 10 in PVP and I have a collection of insanely rare items that I could sell for thousands on Ebay. Besides that I am not a hardcore gamer. I do play alot of games, but there are only 2 games that I can honestly say that I am one of the best in.
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#44 SgtWhiskeyjack
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I don't think I'll care about your definition and continue just to be obcessed with gaming.

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#45 meetroid8
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Having played through 4 generations(including this one) I think I should get an automatic Hardcore right.
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#46 Tylendal
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Your right i'm probably not hardcore but I am a core gamer. There is no way anyone who owns a 360, Wii, PS3, DS, and PSP is a casual.

I did my part in supporting hardcore games by buying RE4 and not buying Wii Play and by planning to buy No More Heroes and SSBB but not buying Wii Fit.

Shadow2k6

The difference between you and me, is that I'm getting all five of those games, while you're immediately neglecting the entertainment value that games like Wii-play and Wii Fit can provide.

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#47 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Having played through 4 generations(including this one) I think I should get an automatic Hardcore right.meetroid8

I disagree, I have played most and owned more than my share of every video game system since the Atari 2600 and don't consider myself "hardcore"

This obsession with having to label yourself is ludicrous

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#48 Madsucktion
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Meh, you people can have your "Hardcore" title. In reality it's just another group of people trying to put down people they consider their inferiors.

I consider myself an Aficionado of Video Games. I play games simply because I love them, not so I can show off, or claim superiority. You "Hardcore" and "Casual" gamers can keep fighting this one out, but when you decide you just love playing video games, come and enjoy them with the Aficionados

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#49 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Having played through 4 generations(including this one) I think I should get an automatic Hardcore right.Nuck81

I disagree, I have played most and owned more than my share of every video game system since the Atari 2600 and don't consider myself "hardcore"

This obsession with having to label yourself is ludicrous

If you have spent well above the average on video games, then you may be hardcore. Any time any of the big companies talk about hardcore vs. casual they are talking about spending (since they care about $$).

Hardcore gamers buy a lot, casuals do not. This terminology is used differently in a social aspect. Socially "hardcore" is someone that PLAYS games a lot.

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#50 dracula_16
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Well then it's a good thing I'm not a kid. Playing only kiddy games does not make you more of a gamer than anyone else here. You're just as much of an elitist as the people who say kiddy games are always bad.

You can try to portray yourself as some kind of video game godfather but I can see right through that