@Desmonic said:
God damnit! All dem notifications and I was only actually answered to once lol XD
I knew I struck a nerve IE TRUTH when I saw 9 notifications. :D
Microsoft Studio Suffers Layoffs
This topic is locked from further discussion.
Damage control from the lemmings.
Stephen Elop is sharpening his blade, getting ready for the firesale. Oh I am laughing.
Damn, and just when I was going to pick up an xbox one now because MS is all about games now . It's unfortunate but I can't invest in a sinking ship.
XboxONE#DayOneEdition@Cancelled
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@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lots and lots of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
@Desmonic said:
God damnit! All dem notifications and I was only actually answered to once lol XD
I knew I struck a nerve IE TRUTH when I saw 9 notifications. :D
They do seem pretty upset all right :P
Yup, even @shawn30 said it himself, must be something bad happening at MS for all these people leaving. Why just look at 343 and 4 people leaving there and not to mention Ballmer ,. Yup, something ominous, dark and tragic is happening with all these people leaving.
@FreedomFreeLife said:
There is Nothing to Discuss. 2 guy at Microsoft lost job. Nothing about studios or games. No facts, no thread.
Lock this.
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lot's and lot's of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
MS STILL has an equal number of studios involved in games development.
Bottom line, MS has more first party studios than SONY, you nitpicking has failed, take your butthurt outta here dude.
Microsoft studios NOT involved in games developement 11
28-11=17
Sony studios not involved in game developement= 0
17-0=17
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lot's and lot's of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
MS STILL has an equal number of studios involved in games development.
Bottom line, MS has more first party studios than SONY, you nitpicking has failed, take your butthurt outta here dude.
Microsoft studios NOT involved in games developement 11
28-11=17
Sony studios not involved in game developement= 0
17-0=17
Then what was the point of saying, "more" when the subject was game development studios?
should have said equal or the same amount.
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lot's and lot's of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
MS STILL has an equal number of studios involved in games development.
Bottom line, MS has more first party studios than SONY, you nitpicking has failed, take your butthurt outta here dude.
Microsoft studios NOT involved in games developement 11
28-11=17
Sony studios not involved in game developement= 0
17-0=17
Why was it nitpicking when the studios that only relate to gaming are valid? hmm? All you wanted was that hollow victory of numbers but didn't even bother to investigate. Typical.
I've been wondering this but when lems are wrong why is like almost an automated to response to call the person in the right 'butthurt'? lol Never understood this.
@delta3074 said:
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
- Connected Experiences – Responsible for cloud service on Xbox, servers and online features
- Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
- Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Next generation fitness project - Original IP
- Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
- Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, 'Splosion Man series
- Xbox Entertainment Studios – Various interactive television projects
- Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect
- Lift London – Multiple AAA Cloud Based gaming projects (4+)
- Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Kameo: Elements of Power, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kinect Sports
- Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV, Upload Studios
- BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
Quality studios here, guys. Xbox won.
@misterpmedia said:
Why was it nitpicking when the studios that only relate to gaming are valid? hmm? All you wanted was that hollow victory of numbers but didn't even bother to investigate. Typical.
I've been wondering this but when lems are wrong why is like almost an automated to response to call the person in the right 'butthurt'? lol Never understood this.
Firstly, i am not a Lem, secondly how was i wrong?
MS DOES have more first party studios than SONY, it's irrelevent that some of them are not Developing games.
You where the one who claimed MS would have to have first party studios to begin with to lay people off, clearly the DO have first party studios so you initial point was wrong anyway.
AND FYI, it was cows Who started the 'Butthurt' thing a long time ago not lems, why don't you ask the cows.
A Hollow victory is still a victory dude, whichever way you slice it.
@GrenadeLauncher said:
@delta3074 said:
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
- Connected Experiences – Responsible for cloud service on Xbox, servers and online features
- Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
- Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Next generation fitness project - Original IP
- Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
- Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, 'Splosion Man series
- Xbox Entertainment Studios – Various interactive television projects
- Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect
- Lift London – Multiple AAA Cloud Based gaming projects (4+)
- Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Kameo: Elements of Power, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kinect Sports
- Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV, Upload Studios
- BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
Quality studios here, guys. Xbox won.
Quality=/=quantity.
MS still has more first party studios than SONY so whats your point again?
@GrenadeLauncher said:
@delta3074 said:
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
- Connected Experiences – Responsible for cloud service on Xbox, servers and online features
- Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
- Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Next generation fitness project - Original IP
- Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
- Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, 'Splosion Man series
- Xbox Entertainment Studios – Various interactive television projects
- Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect
- Lift London – Multiple AAA Cloud Based gaming projects (4+)
- Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Kameo: Elements of Power, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kinect Sports
- Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV, Upload Studios
- BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
Quality studios here, guys. Xbox won.
you can take off the, connected experiences, SOHOproductions as it's TV and the Mobile gaming one as they'll be producing nothing for Xb1. Not sure about XBox live productions either or that Kids and lifestyle entertainment. The rest are good.
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lot's and lot's of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
MS STILL has an equal number of studios involved in games development.
Bottom line, MS has more first party studios than SONY, you nitpicking has failed, take your butthurt outta here dude.
Microsoft studios NOT involved in games developement 11
28-11=17
Sony studios not involved in game developement= 0
17-0=17
You know Cow-Math isn't so good. But its fun to see our Bovine brothers of Beef aka CoWs enjoy themselves so much, lol. But seriously it sucks anytime anyone loses their job no matter what company they work for.
xbox division sale incoming.
@shawn30 said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
lol knew you would link that, how predictable. Already took a minute out to check out the list. Lot's and lot's of unrelated game studios list under first party. I'll give you a minute to have a look through them.
MS STILL has an equal number of studios involved in games development.
Bottom line, MS has more first party studios than SONY, you nitpicking has failed, take your butthurt outta here dude.
Microsoft studios NOT involved in games developement 11
28-11=17
Sony studios not involved in game developement= 0
17-0=17
You know Cow-Math isn't so good. But its fun to see our Bovine brothers of Beef aka CoWs enjoy themselves so much, lol. But seriously it sucks anytime anyone loses their job no matter what company they work for.
Might want to rethink that sentiment :p.
Spencer slicing and dicing like a mad motherfucker. When will the madness end?! Oh the humanity!!!
@delta3074 said:
@GrenadeLauncher said:
@delta3074 said:
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
- Connected Experiences – Responsible for cloud service on Xbox, servers and online features
- Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
- Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – Next generation fitness project - Original IP
- Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
- Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, 'Splosion Man series
- Xbox Entertainment Studios – Various interactive television projects
- Xbox Live Productions – South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!, South Park: Tenorman's Revenge, Avatar Kinect
- Lift London – Multiple AAA Cloud Based gaming projects (4+)
- Rare Ltd. – Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Kameo: Elements of Power, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kinect Sports
- Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV, Upload Studios
- BigPark – Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
Quality studios here, guys. Xbox won.
Quality=/=quantity.
MS still has more first party studios than SONY so whats your point again?
i hope you took some of those studios in that list off when you did your sums chum.
@kinectthedots said:
@GrenadeLauncher said:
What? How can this be? I thought Phil Spencer was supposed to be a gamer? Now he's butchering studios with no end in sight? Why can't someone stop his reign of terror?
I'm worried about Microsoft now. Something is very wrong at the heart of Redmond.
It's sad, hopefully Nintendo will buy MS game studios once they go belly up.
MS#SinkingShip.com
#jumpout
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@delta3074 said:
@misterpmedia said:
@Desmonic said:
@shawn30 said:
@Desmonic said:
@Heil68 said:
Something is going on at MS, and it aint good right @shawn30? :D
Lol, if you want to compare a graphic artist and a technical producer (not a damn thing wrong with those roles, but they aren't major) to lead writers, overall game directors, and thew face of the PS Brand in Jack then ok :) MS Is in deep, deep trouble... with all the banks having room for all the money they make. Money, like PS4 supply chains, are in short supply at Sony:) You're welcome
Nah brah, that's not it.
What's happening is that MS does not follow the Live, Learn and Love philosophy from Sony, ain't that right @Heil68 ? :P
Must be noted that Microsoft would actually need to have a wide range of first party studios originally for people to leave in the first place, heh, oops
MS has more first party studios than SONY now mate, just sayin.
List them. K go.
Microsoft
28 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios
Sony
17 first party studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment
and yet all they can do is kinect and halo gears forza, meanwhile in the real world playstation destroys xbox exclusives left and right
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
Microsoft out here quoting sony from last gen lol lames thanks too sony you lems didnt have too what a whole generation without a hdmi port thanks too sony you have bluray now thanks too sony you have something similar to ps plus hell thanks too sony you able too have an xbox controller in hand lol
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
Really?? So you're a billion dollar company one of your studios isn't doing anything, and there's barely any profit you decide to keep it open just for the **** of it? Yes it is that simple big companies even Apple who have 125 Billion in cash have done it before why not MS? Business is Business if there's a part of your company suffering just because you have billions of dollars doesn't mean you keep it going just because you can, no company want any loss from any department or division.
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
Really?? So you're a billion dollar company one of your studios isn't doing anything, and there's barely any profit you decide to keep it open just for the **** of it? Yes it is that simple big companies even Apple who have 125 Billion in cash have done it before why not MS? Business is Business if there's a part of your company suffering just because you have billions of dollars doesn't mean you keep it going just because you can, no company want any loss from any department or division.
They're a billion dollar company that's making BILLIONS. They're making MASSIVE profits so not they don't HAVE to layoff anyone. That's not even the point though. You said layoffs "are simple" when in fact they're not. A company will not ALWAYS lay people off because they're not making money. Sometimes layoffs happen for other reason. Stop speaking in absolutes, especially when it comes to business.
BTW why so butthurt? Did it really bother you that others would make threads about Sony layoffs? Do you work for Sony? Own Sony stock? Why so butthurt?
Lemmings are scared. The worst is yet to come. Poor babies.
@Solid_Max13: They got rid of the DRM software group. lol!! They won't be needed anymore.
Microsoft isn't selling HQ buildings, PC/Laptop division and HDTV divisions just to make ends meet. They also didn't lay off 8000+ employees like Sony has done. There's a huge difference you biased troll don't seem to understand. M$ isn't hurting for profits. The PS4 is selling great, no doubt, but they are losing like $60 a unit on each one sold. It's really a Catch 22 at launch. You want to sell millions, but you know you are going to lose millions for the 1st year. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is losing millions on the XB1 as well, the difference is their other divisions are profitting to offset the loses. Sony better home Amazing Spiderman does $700-$800 million worldwide.
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
Really?? So you're a billion dollar company one of your studios isn't doing anything, and there's barely any profit you decide to keep it open just for the **** of it? Yes it is that simple big companies even Apple who have 125 Billion in cash have done it before why not MS? Business is Business if there's a part of your company suffering just because you have billions of dollars doesn't mean you keep it going just because you can, no company want any loss from any department or division.
They're a billion dollar company that's making BILLIONS. They're making MASSIVE profits so not they don't HAVE to layoff anyone. That's not even the point though. You said layoffs "are simple" when in fact they're not. A company will not ALWAYS lay people off because they're not making money. Sometimes layoffs happen for other reason. Stop speaking in absolutes, especially when it comes to business.
BTW why so butthurt? Did it really bother you that others would make threads about Sony layoffs? Do you work for Sony? Own Sony stock? Why so butthurt?
LMAO how am I butt hurt?? I said and go ahead check my history layoffs suck for any company including MS, but if it's to better the company then go ahead, I don't care whether it is MS or Sony.
And by god stop trying to make it seem like I spun it any other way, Yes Layoffs are that simple, from a company standpoint all you keep saying is "MS has billions has billions of dollars there's no need for layoffs" Read the article it just happened and http://www.timescolonist.com/business/microsoft-shuttering-victoria-operations-1.723993 this happened last year, shit happens it's business and any company even one with Billions of dollars will have layoffs for whatever reason, no company wants a department or division that has little to no profit.
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13: They got rid of the DRM software group. lol!! They won't be needed anymore.
Microsoft isn't selling HQ buildings, PC/Laptop division and HDTV divisions just to make ends meet. They also didn't lay off 8000+ employees like Sony has done. There's a huge difference you biased troll don't seem to understand. M$ isn't hurting for profits. The PS4 is selling great, no doubt, but they are losing like $60 a unit on each one sold. It's really a Catch 22 at launch. You want to sell millions, but you know you are going to lose millions for the 1st year. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is losing millions on the XB1 as well, the difference is their other divisions are profitting to offset the loses. Sony better home Amazing Spiderman does $700-$800 million worldwide.
Biased troll ROFL? I think we need a reality check for you now blackace, you to love when people are laid off from Sony and laugh all the time, I even wrote layoffs suck and whichever company it is whether it be MS or Sony, I can put aside the whole console war for a few minutes because layoffs suck, you on the other hand jump on any Sony related topic and always spout shit about how "Sony is broke" and "Sinking ship" BS, don't go calling me a troll becasue I reported something, if this was Sony news, you'd be jizzing in your shorts right now reporting this over and over and trolling the whole topic, the only person I have trolled here was @FreedomFreeLife because he's an idiot. I don't make fun of people losing their jobs unlike you.
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
Really?? So you're a billion dollar company one of your studios isn't doing anything, and there's barely any profit you decide to keep it open just for the **** of it? Yes it is that simple big companies even Apple who have 125 Billion in cash have done it before why not MS? Business is Business if there's a part of your company suffering just because you have billions of dollars doesn't mean you keep it going just because you can, no company want any loss from any department or division.
They're a billion dollar company that's making BILLIONS. They're making MASSIVE profits so not they don't HAVE to layoff anyone. That's not even the point though. You said layoffs "are simple" when in fact they're not. A company will not ALWAYS lay people off because they're not making money. Sometimes layoffs happen for other reason. Stop speaking in absolutes, especially when it comes to business.
BTW why so butthurt? Did it really bother you that others would make threads about Sony layoffs? Do you work for Sony? Own Sony stock? Why so butthurt?
LMAO how am I butt hurt??I said and go ahead check my history layoffs suck for any company including MS, but if it's to better the company then go ahead, I don't care whether it is MS or Sony.
And by god stop trying to make it seem like I spun it any other way, Yes Layoffs are that simple, from a company standpoint all you keep saying is "MS has billions has billions of dollars there's no need for layoffs" Read the article it just happened and http://www.timescolonist.com/business/microsoft-shuttering-victoria-operations-1.723993 this happened last year, shit happens it's business and any company even one with Billions of dollars will have layoffs for whatever reason, no company wants a department or division that has little to no profit.
The fact that you felt the need to create this thread makes a statement to your butthurt? What would be the point if you weren't?
Layoffs are NEVER that simple. My old company was profitable, in fact #1 in drug testing kit market. Profitable and yet we had plenty of layoffs. Sometimes it was to eliminate redundant jobs and sometimes it was because we just acquired another company just for the tech. You keep saying layoffs are simple when in reality they're not. That is my point not if MS laid people off because the division is/was doing poor.
MS is in the billions in profit and they didn't NEED to lay anyone off but I understand how business works sometimes so it happens. Stop trying to speak in absolutes.
@FreedomFreeLife said:
There is Nothing to Discuss. 2 guy at Microsoft lost job. Nothing about studios or games. No facts, no thread.
Lock this.
LOL....the tears are delicious.
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@kingtito said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074 said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@delta3074: lol another moron hear let me clarify no one is safe in the gaming with the trend of layoffs, you show off market caps and money like it matters, fact is Sony had layoffs in gaming and now MS, I've stated it before in many other threads if Sony and MS don't see profit this will happen next time "sunshine" read a little more clearly
maybe you need to see things more clearly, did you miss the part where Both companys ARE making a profit, do you understand what Profit Margin actually means?
NIETHER company is in the minus figures on there profit Margin,the big difference is that MS profit margin is 27x higher than SONYs
Microsoft has no need to lay people off, which makes them the bad guy in my book, SONY does have to lay people off because there Shares are Junk and they need to massively restructure to stay afloat.
Microsoft does not need to restructure to stay afloat, they are making a TON of profit and there enterprise value (how much a company is worth) is more than 10x that of SONY's
I can forgive SONY for laying off staff, they really do have to, MS on the other hand really have no need to lay people off.
It reminds me of when the banks over here in blighty where laying off thousands of workers whilst making huge Profits, it's just pure greed on Microsofts part.
Also, you might want to pick up a National diploma in business and finance before trying to jump the gun with me next time 'sunshine'
It's pretty simple if MS does not see a profit in an dept or wants to create profit they will lay people off it isn't the first time and it won't be the last, MS or Sony will do this why waste money even if you have it? All companies do this so yes it does make sense from a corporate perspective, in total it sucks for the people getting laid off.
It's never that simple. Layoffs don't just happen because they want to see more profit or just to make a profit. Sometimes they just restructure maybe to get rid of redundant jobs or positions they no longer need. It's not always because they're losing money. Business is NEVER "pretty simple"
I'm sure everyone here knows MS doesn't actually "need" to lay anyone off. They're making more than enough but for whatever reason they still do. Sony on the other isn't make MS money and at times actually has no choice but to lay people off. Business wise there is a huge difference between MS and Sony.
The entire thread has become nothing but DC. TC DCing because he was butthurt from all the "Sony is laying people off" threads. Let this thread die. There really isn't anything to discuss here.
Really?? So you're a billion dollar company one of your studios isn't doing anything, and there's barely any profit you decide to keep it open just for the **** of it? Yes it is that simple big companies even Apple who have 125 Billion in cash have done it before why not MS? Business is Business if there's a part of your company suffering just because you have billions of dollars doesn't mean you keep it going just because you can, no company want any loss from any department or division.
They're a billion dollar company that's making BILLIONS. They're making MASSIVE profits so not they don't HAVE to layoff anyone. That's not even the point though. You said layoffs "are simple" when in fact they're not. A company will not ALWAYS lay people off because they're not making money. Sometimes layoffs happen for other reason. Stop speaking in absolutes, especially when it comes to business.
BTW why so butthurt? Did it really bother you that others would make threads about Sony layoffs? Do you work for Sony? Own Sony stock? Why so butthurt?
LMAO how am I butt hurt??I said and go ahead check my history layoffs suck for any company including MS, but if it's to better the company then go ahead, I don't care whether it is MS or Sony.
And by god stop trying to make it seem like I spun it any other way, Yes Layoffs are that simple, from a company standpoint all you keep saying is "MS has billions has billions of dollars there's no need for layoffs" Read the article it just happened and http://www.timescolonist.com/business/microsoft-shuttering-victoria-operations-1.723993 this happened last year, shit happens it's business and any company even one with Billions of dollars will have layoffs for whatever reason, no company wants a department or division that has little to no profit.
The fact that you felt the need to create this thread makes a statement to your butthurt? What would be the point if you weren't?
Layoffs are NEVER that simple. My old company was profitable, in fact #1 in drug testing kit market. Profitable and yet we had plenty of layoffs. Sometimes it was to eliminate redundant jobs and sometimes it was because we just acquired another company just for the tech. You keep saying layoffs are simple when in reality they're not. That is my point not if MS laid people off because the division is/was doing poor.
MS is in the billions in profit and they didn't NEED to lay anyone off but I understand how business works sometimes so it happens. Stop trying to speak in absolutes.
LOL, so because i write a topic about MS closing a studio I'm all of sudden trolling and butthurt. Yet when you lems go off and write about Sony, that's perfectly fine, re-read the article and my original post, Lems love posting stuff about people leaving Sony, or lay-offs happening and your statement "if MS laid people off because the division is/was doing poor." Is what I've been saying all along, no company no matter how rich or billions want to report especially to investors, and for quarterly reports that there is a division suffering or department doing poorly, so it is unfortunate that layoffs happen.
@Solid_Max13 said:
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13: They got rid of the DRM software group. lol!! They won't be needed anymore.
Microsoft isn't selling HQ buildings, PC/Laptop division and HDTV divisions just to make ends meet. They also didn't lay off 8000+ employees like Sony has done. There's a huge difference you biased troll don't seem to understand. M$ isn't hurting for profits. The PS4 is selling great, no doubt, but they are losing like $60 a unit on each one sold. It's really a Catch 22 at launch. You want to sell millions, but you know you are going to lose millions for the 1st year. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is losing millions on the XB1 as well, the difference is their other divisions are profitting to offset the loses. Sony better home Amazing Spiderman does $700-$800 million worldwide.
Biased troll ROFL? I think we need a reality check for you now blackace, you to love when people are laid off from Sony and laugh all the time, I even wrote layoffs suck and whichever company it is whether it be MS or Sony, I can put aside the whole console war for a few minutes because layoffs suck, you on the other hand jump on any Sony related topic and always spout shit about how "Sony is broke" and "Sinking ship" BS, don't go calling me a troll becasue I reported something, if this was Sony news, you'd be jizzing in your shorts right now reporting this over and over and trolling the whole topic, the only person I have trolled here was @FreedomFreeLife because he's an idiot. I don't make fun of people losing their jobs unlike you.
Dude, your a troll and everyone knows it. When's the last time you created a postive thread about the XB1 or even the Wii U for that matter. I'm not laughing at any of the layoffs. I'm just stating that there is a huge difference between Microsoft's layoffs and what Sony is doing at their company. There are studio layoffs happening all the time, but a company laying off 8000+ employees isn't a few devs leaving. A company selling buildings and whole divisions isn't the same. lol!!
@Solid_Max13: They do post that....but they don't like a taste of their own medicine. Anyway the economy isn't the best no matter where you live and many times layoffs will happen....as will downsizing and MS had been doing both for years. And we know Sony has their own troubles.
But I do find the self appointed business experts here ridiculously funny.
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13: They got rid of the DRM software group. lol!! They won't be needed anymore.
Microsoft isn't selling HQ buildings, PC/Laptop division and HDTV divisions just to make ends meet. They also didn't lay off 8000+ employees like Sony has done. There's a huge difference you biased troll don't seem to understand. M$ isn't hurting for profits. The PS4 is selling great, no doubt, but they are losing like $60 a unit on each one sold. It's really a Catch 22 at launch. You want to sell millions, but you know you are going to lose millions for the 1st year. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is losing millions on the XB1 as well, the difference is their other divisions are profitting to offset the loses. Sony better home Amazing Spiderman does $700-$800 million worldwide.
Biased troll ROFL? I think we need a reality check for you now blackace, you to love when people are laid off from Sony and laugh all the time, I even wrote layoffs suck and whichever company it is whether it be MS or Sony, I can put aside the whole console war for a few minutes because layoffs suck, you on the other hand jump on any Sony related topic and always spout shit about how "Sony is broke" and "Sinking ship" BS, don't go calling me a troll becasue I reported something, if this was Sony news, you'd be jizzing in your shorts right now reporting this over and over and trolling the whole topic, the only person I have trolled here was @FreedomFreeLife because he's an idiot. I don't make fun of people losing their jobs unlike you.
Dude, your a troll and everyone knows it. When's the last time you created a postive thread about the XB1 or even the Wii U for that matter. I'm not laughing at any of the layoffs. I'm just stating that there is a huge difference between Microsoft's layoffs and what Sony is doing at their company. There are studio layoffs happening all the time, but a company laying off 8000+ employees isn't a few devs leaving. A company selling buildings and whole divisions isn't the same. lol!!
LOL I have said positive stuff about X1 and WiiU, how am I a troll? When was the last time you made a positive subject about the PS4 hmmm? I guess you're a troll with that logic.
Edit: I don't need to make topics about XB1 and WiiU I made topics in the past for discussion, but nothing troll worthy, everyone knows you're a Lem troll tell me you didn't go to a Sony board and start trolling there I have seen it @misterpmedia@Heil68@GrenadeLauncher Have all seen you troll those topics, stop making it seem like you're some martyr, you love bad Sony news and you pretty much have your hand down your pants when something bad happens to them.
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13 said:
@blackace said:
@Solid_Max13: They got rid of the DRM software group. lol!! They won't be needed anymore.
Microsoft isn't selling HQ buildings, PC/Laptop division and HDTV divisions just to make ends meet. They also didn't lay off 8000+ employees like Sony has done. There's a huge difference you biased troll don't seem to understand. M$ isn't hurting for profits. The PS4 is selling great, no doubt, but they are losing like $60 a unit on each one sold. It's really a Catch 22 at launch. You want to sell millions, but you know you are going to lose millions for the 1st year. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is losing millions on the XB1 as well, the difference is their other divisions are profitting to offset the loses. Sony better home Amazing Spiderman does $700-$800 million worldwide.
Biased troll ROFL? I think we need a reality check for you now blackace, you to love when people are laid off from Sony and laugh all the time, I even wrote layoffs suck and whichever company it is whether it be MS or Sony, I can put aside the whole console war for a few minutes because layoffs suck, you on the other hand jump on any Sony related topic and always spout shit about how "Sony is broke" and "Sinking ship" BS, don't go calling me a troll becasue I reported something, if this was Sony news, you'd be jizzing in your shorts right now reporting this over and over and trolling the whole topic, the only person I have trolled here was @FreedomFreeLife because he's an idiot. I don't make fun of people losing their jobs unlike you.
Dude, your a troll and everyone knows it. When's the last time you created a postive thread about the XB1 or even the Wii U for that matter. I'm not laughing at any of the layoffs. I'm just stating that there is a huge difference between Microsoft's layoffs and what Sony is doing at their company. There are studio layoffs happening all the time, but a company laying off 8000+ employees isn't a few devs leaving. A company selling buildings and whole divisions isn't the same. lol!!
hahaha oh man the hypocrisy is over 9000+
@RR360DD said:
Aw bless. Cows trying to DC the resent onslaught of layoffs at Sony :(
Don't worry cows, Im sure you'll get your exclusive 1st party AAA eventually.
Lol, that gotta put that Sony fear on someone so fangirling over two unfortunate MS layoffs of far from key positions unlike the great flood of Sony high-profile losses lately is highly amusing. If MS is sinking or going under than by God I want to be with them because that would make Sony dead and buried already with the shape the company is in. Cows gonna Cow, so *shrugs*
@Solid_Max13 said:
@blackace said:
Dude, your a troll and everyone knows it. When's the last time you created a postive thread about the XB1 or even the Wii U for that matter. I'm not laughing at any of the layoffs. I'm just stating that there is a huge difference between Microsoft's layoffs and what Sony is doing at their company. There are studio layoffs happening all the time, but a company laying off 8000+ employees isn't a few devs leaving. A company selling buildings and whole divisions isn't the same. lol!!
LOL I have said positive stuff about X1 and WiiU, how am I a troll? When was the last time you made a positive subject about the PS4 hmmm? I guess you're a troll with that logic.
I've been praising Infamous SS before it came out and after. Same with PSPlus and many PS3 exclusives like Ni No Kuni & Dragon's Crown. I don't make very many threads, as their are too many trolls on here who just want to bash everything when they don't even own the product they are bashing. I own both PS4 and XB1 and have played most of the exclusives on both.
Cows in desperation to show that MSoft and Sony are in the same boat, how desperate.
Backfire thread for TC.
Balmer for those that don't know is on MSofts board of directors still making millions.
The two companies are not in the same league even if MSoft laid off an entire division of devs.
Footage from MS game studios:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54rqDh2mWA
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