Microsoft: Blu-ray costs holding PS3 back

i find this kind of ironic of them to be attacking the blu ray format when it seems like it should be the choice for the next generation of consoles to try and eliminate having to worry about multiple disks on some of the huge games (size whise).

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"] and yet it failed for doing so little. It was clearly a shot at Blu Ray, and even as an optional it failed. Making it mandatory wouldve made things alot worse *looks at UMD* CaseyWegner

i find this kind of ironic of them to be attacking the blu ray format when it seems like it should be the choice for the next generation of consoles to try and eliminate having to worry about multiple disks on some of the huge games (size whise).

linkin_guy109

The choice for the next generation should be digital distribution. This cuts the costs of packaging and the middle man, and companies like Gamestop can finally go out of business. Every game will be played on at least a terabyte hd so it'll minimize loading times, no disc scratches, etc. The PC is always paving the way, and as always consoles will play catch up. If not next gen, then the one after that will be all DD.

blu-ray itself didn't hold the PS3 back, but the fact that it's in the PS3 standard is part of mentality that led to the downfall of the playstation brand

if you know your history, last gen everybody was talking about the impact of DVD in the PS2 and how the future of gaming was all about multi-media home entertainment centers

Nintendo didn't really care about that, you have to give them props for that

for Microsoft and Sony tho, multi-media = big bucks

the difference at the end of the day is that Microsoft had the better strategy with good launch pricing, great painless features that would define this gen of consoles (XBL, achievements, etc.), and great first year games

beyond that, they made everything else optional upgrades, so you could have HD-DVD if you wanted, but you didn't have to, and if HD-DVD ever failed it was a less risky investment for Microsoft than Blu-Ray was for Sony

for Sony, they played it dumb, using a strategy of cramming a console full of features then jacking up the price to meet the cost

inevitably, their investment plan failed to resonate with consumers, and so did their games, leading to the PS3's first year of sales mostly going to people buying it as the cheapest blu-ray player

inevitably it cost Sony their console marketshare, putting them in the uncomfortable position of justifying their existence to gamers for years

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

and yet it failed for doing so little. It was clearly a shot at Blu Ray, and even as an optional it failed. Making it mandatory wouldve made things alot worse *looks at UMD*

Disturbed123

i don't understand why you keep saying it failed. what does that have to do with hypocrisy or actually the lack of it?

Peter Moore - When he was working with MS said "HD media is not needed"

they then announce HD DVD for 360, a clear indication that MS wanted to compete with Blu Ray

Another MS employee - HDMI is not needed

They release an Xbox with HDMI

Hypocrisy Much?

Now, they are saying Ps3 is being held back with blu ray which is utter nonsense. That extra £40 for Ps3 accounts for Wifi, Free online gaming, a significantly better build console, and a blu ray player.

how many times do i have to say that hd dvd was only for movies and was completely optional? it's not the same.

[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]"Being $100 cheaper is part of the reason why we're nearly twice [Sony's] installed base."

I'm assuming he's talking NA only? I hope so at least...Zero5000X

I thought the PS3 surpassed the 360 in the EU. :?

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]£160 for elite

£200 for Ps3

that extra £40 covers internal Wifi, so Microsoft = Fail!

And lets not forget the hypocrisy. MS HD DVD Anyone?CannedWorms

I was wondering that myself. Cheapest I can find is £229.99.

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

£160 for elite

£200 for Ps3

that extra £40 covers internal Wifi, so Microsoft = Fail!

And lets not forget the hypocrisy. MS HD DVD Anyone?Disturbed123

http://www.avforums.com/forums/home-cinema-bargains-discount-codes/1122505-ps3-slim-199-sainsburys.html

but you can find it for £210

http://www.pctvhifi.co.uk/infopage.asp?infID=2661

£210! :o Is that website reliable, though?

At the beginning perhaps it was one of the main reasons of the so generous cost of the ps3 so it could be a problem at that time but I think now it isn't, in fact, I think it is better for developers now because they can add more content into their games without the problem of using multiple disks. See for example Star Ocean The Last Hope, in the ps3 it only takes one disc and on the 360 it takes like 2 or 3 discs, I don't know. Miroku32

[QUOTE="Miroku32"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

"Being $100 cheaper is part of the reason why we're nearly twice [Sony's] installed base."

I'm assuming he's talking NA only? I hope so at least...

Zero5000X

Gap is so low in EU that they practicly on error renges, EU is prutty much equal

Yeah, because I would rather have 6.8 gbs of space and Multidisc games.

[QUOTE="gamer620"]

[QUOTE="Miroku32"] Why do you keep saying "only canada and united states" as if it is some small insignificant number?

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I don't like this Greenberg guy. If the Elite was $199 he might have a point, but comparing apples to apples the PS3 is a pretty good value.GreyFoXX4

Sure, but when you are on a budget that you can't spare an extra 100 dollars, the cheaper alternative wins out. If the average gamer has the choice between a 360 and PS3 and they only have 200 dollars to spend... which one are they buying? There is only one correct answer to this question.

I agree with MS's overall point, but MS are still essentially spreading misinformation when they say the 360 is $199 because of no BR. Uhmm, no. The ARCADE model of the $360 is $100 cheaper because it has no HDD and lacks some of the other features that the premium 360 model comes packed with. SO what does MS say about BR when the fact is their MAIN 360 SKU is the eaxct same price as the BR packed PS3?

Having said that, BR is what caused the PS3 to be delayed. It is what caused the console to launch at a wallet breaking price and the reason the PS3 continues losing money to this day. Without BR, the PS3 would have been cost competitive and most likely profitting practically immediately. They also would have most likely beaten the 360 in sales.

So I agree that Sony's problems this gen all stem back to their decision to include BR with every PS3. But MS is once again being manipulative and spreading misinformation when, to make their point, they use the stripped down ARCADE model of the 360.

Now we know why lemmings only go by npd sales, cause the memo was sent out by MS themselves. Unless they truly beleive that they ahave double the install base in wolrd wide sales. If not they only want to talk about npd because thats the only place they are winning in at the moment lol. Lemmings we fully understand now.

GreyFoXX4

I've notice that a while ago, but when you bring it up, people always say "Logic dont apply to system wars".:roll:

Perhaps, but now Sony has 25+ million blu-ray players on the market...

Is that a loss? You decide.

As a gamer, I don't care about business talk, it's all about quality games and quality features.

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

[QUOTE="gamer620"]

Sure, but when you are on a budget that you can't spare an extra 100 dollars, the cheaper alternative wins out. If the average gamer has the choice between a 360 and PS3 and they only have 200 dollars to spend... which one are they buying? There is only one correct answer to this question.

gamer620

If Bob is broke, then a game system should be the last thing on his list. If Bob is broke, then how is Bob buying games and playing online with a 360. If Bob is broke, go buy a PSP, or a DS.....cheaper all around the board.

Yeah, because I would rather have 6.8 gbs of space and Multidisc games.

XboximusPrime

Actually its 8.4 gb, but your right about the 2-3 disk LOL

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Yeah, because I would rather have 6.8 gbs of space and Multidisc games.

CubanBlunt

Actually its 8.4 gb, but your right about the 2-3 disk LOL

I think its funny Microsoft talks about how they can sell the 360 for $199 and then totally forget to mention you need to spend another $100 to buy a harddrive that can download all those HD Movies.

TheSterls

They don't mention it because that would be false with the upcoming use of USB keys.

All the consoles are dirt cheap, why do people complain.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

I think its funny Microsoft talks about how they can sell the 360 for $199 and then totally forget to mention you need to spend another $100 to buy a harddrive that can download all those HD Movies.

kuu2

They don't mention it because that would be false with the upcoming use of USB keys.

[QUOTE="gamer620"]

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] You don't buy nothing, and save up another $100 so when you get the item home you have a complete game system and not one that you will have to go out and buy something else. Heck, $200 360 doesn't get you online, you have to fork out another $50 for online play, so why not save up another $50 and get the ps3, geez.

CubanBlunt

If Bob is broke, then a game system should be the last thing on his list. If Bob is broke, then how is Bob buying games and playing online with a 360. If Bob is broke, go buy a PSP, or a DS.....cheaper all around the board.

Bob isn't broke. He has SOME left over cash to use for himself, hense where his 200 dollar budget for video games comes in. this isn't rocket science and the options are a 360 and PS3, Wii and portables and last gen isn't even a factor in this.

gamer620

I'm independent, struggling for money, and yeah Bob shouldn't be wasting his $200 on games. If he wanted a gaming system, and had to choose between the PS3 or 360 he'd probably spend the extra $100 for a console that gives him far more for his money. Why buy a console missing a hard drive, rechargeable batteries in the controllers, no built in wi-fi, no blu ray capability, and no free online play? If Bob buys the 360 there's no wonder why he has zero money because he's going to have to continuously buy things to upgrade it!

Hey look , its Greenburg running off this mouth, oh wait....

A 200 USD xbox 360 is pretty much a piece of crap. When you have to pay 100 for the harddrive and 20 for the controller charging kit, also pay extra for the wireless, and 50 a year for the online. Do not want.

I think Greenberg was tired of all the "DVD storage holding 360 back" talk, so he decided to flip the arguement.

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

I think its funny Microsoft talks about how they can sell the 360 for $199 and then totally forget to mention you need to spend another $100 to buy a harddrive that can download all those HD Movies.

Jrfanfreak88

They don't mention it because that would be false with the upcoming use of USB keys.

If someone decides to spend extra money on something that is their right, but I can buy 16gig USB flash drives all day for under $20. The same can be said for Sony Memory sticks as opposed to ones that don't have Sony labeling for the PSP.

Yeah the 360 is such a rip off that 40+ million people have purchased one, including yourself it seems at one time or another :roll:

Oh, and my false statement still stands regardless of your red herring attempt.

If someone decides to spend extra money on something that is their right, but I can buy 16gig USB flash drives all day for under $20. The same can be said for Sony Memory sticks as opposed to ones that don't have Sony labeling for the PSP.

Yeah the 360 is such a rip off that 40+ million people have purchased one, including yourself it seems at one time or another :roll:

Oh, and my false statement still stands regardless of your red herring attempt.

kuu2

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Yeah, because I would rather have 6.8 gbs of space and Multidisc games.

CubanBlunt

Actually its 8.4 gb, but your right about the 2-3 disk LOL

They only get to use 6.8 gbs of Space, the rest of the 8 or so gbs is used for there DRM which dosent seem to do Jack ****

Hey look , its Greenburg running off this mouth, oh wait....

A 200 USD xbox 360 is pretty much a piece of crap. When you have to pay 100 for the harddrive and 20 for the controller charging kit, also pay extra for the wireless, and 50 a year for the online. Do not want.

RadecSupreme

sony should say something like that. greenburgs always running his mouth...someone should sony should educate the public about the real costs of the 360...especially if you have online for 3+yrs