Just lost all respect for Itagaki Tomonobu ( ninja gaiden creator )

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#1 shaggymcp
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http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=19497


Heavenly Sword is "half-assed" says Itagaki

Lead graphics progammer of Tecmo Itagaki Tomonobu has slammed the PS3 exclusive title as 'half assed' in the latest issue of EGM. Itagaki commented that the game is 'half-assed' because its asking you to do all kinds of button timing sequences of which you as the game player don't really get much out of it from.

What a arrogant person... what is he basing this off the demo ? seriously. I just lost all respect for this guy. He creates one good game ( ninja gaiden ) and one ok fighter ( DOA ) and a booby game ( DOABV ) and all of a sudden he can talk **** about other devs like he is god or something ?

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First he disses Tekken, then he disses Heavenly Sword. The cows must all have this guy on their hitlist.:lol:

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#3 Cali3350
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Hes ALWAYS been an arrogant ass. Frankly thats one of the more tame comments hes ever made.

He does make a good action game though.

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#4 RevenMan
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ROFL i can i see it "Wanted:Itagaki Tomonobu dead or alive" :).
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#5 shaggymcp
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Seriously ! it makes me wonder did Ninja Gaiden Sigma not sell well on the PS3 ? is he bitter or something ?
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#6 Shusty_lives
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Hmmm, any game that goes up against his genre are garbage? sounds like a true fanboy to me.
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#7 Panzer_Zwei
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Itakagi has always been like that. In fact, he said he made DoA because he couldn't stand how fighting games like Tekken sucked so much.
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#10 MJPilgrim
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I don't really see anything wrong with this. I don't think anyone here seriously thinks that quick time events are a sign of creative development. Quick time events do not make good gameplay nor are they creative in any way, they are half assed.
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#11 lawlessx
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Itakagi has always been like that. In fact, he said he made DoA because he couldn't stand how fighting games like Tekken sucked so much.Panzer_Zwei

and because temco was on the verge of shuting down and they needed a game to get them back on top. and so what he doesnt like heavenly sword.. had he said something positive about the game everybody wont be jumping up and down praising him..besides..its not like he called it "halfass" and didnt give a reason why.

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http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=19497


Heavenly Sword is "half-assed" says Itagaki

Lead graphics progammer of Tecmo Itagaki Tomonobu has slammed the PS3 exclusive title as 'half assed' in the latest issue of EGM. Itagaki commented that the game is 'half-assed' because its asking you to do all kinds of button timing sequences of which you as the game player don't really get much out of it from.

What a arrogant person... what is he basing this off the demo ? seriously. I just lost all respect for this guy. He creates one good game ( ninja gaiden ) and one ok fighter ( DOA ) and a booby game ( DOABV ) and all of a sudden he can talk **** about other devs like he is god or something ?

shaggymcp

I agree with him. I found many elements of the gameplay were rather empty and rewardless.

I'm almost totally convinced that the story and audio will carry this game to an 8.5. Gameplay will not be this game's selling point. Not at all. Not when compared to the best action games out there.

AAA it will not be.

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#13 MasterChief4249
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IMO this can say anything about any game he wants, look at the work that he has put out, its incredible, granted he has been like this for the longest time, i dont see the reason to bash him about it, and besides its his own opinion. What if Shigeru Miyamoto (mario creator) bashed crash bandicoot or rayman, i doubt you would rant on about him because he is a guy who has alot of experience/success. once again, this is just my opinion
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#15 Panzer_Zwei
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IMO this can say anything about any game he wants, look at the work that he has put out, its incredible, granted he has been like this for the longest time, i dont see the reason to bash him about it, and besides its his own opinion. What if Shigeru Miyamoto (mario creator) bashed crash bandicoot or rayman, i doubt you would rant on about him because he is a guy who has alot of experience/success. once again, this is just my opinion MasterChief4249
You should've seen a long time ago when someone posted a quote from Miyamoto bashing Donkey Kong Country, a lot of sheep turned on him and suddenly even he sucked. :lol:
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#16 DementedDragon
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Don't take it personal, that's just the way he is; and Team Ninja is one of the most prideful development teams in existence so he's a fitting leader.
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#17 Ninja-Vox
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I thought it was Tomonobu Itagaki? :?
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#18 Overthrow
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Itagaki created Ninja Gaiden. I think he knows a little something about Action game quality.

And yes, of course he is basing this on the demo. What else does he have to base it on? It's still better than every mouth breather on this forum spewing a random sequence of "A" based on a screenshot.

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#19 Shusty_lives
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What does he mean "doesn't get nothing from it"? The gameplay is a lot like GOW. Does that mean the gameplay "doesn't get nothing from it"?
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I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.
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#21 Sir_Marwin
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Yeah... this is unexpected :?
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#22 Overthrow
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What does he mean "doesn't get nothing from it"? The gameplay is a lot like GOW. Does that mean the gameplay "doesn't get nothing from it"?Shusty_lives

That's not how he phrased it.

I'm pretty sure he means that the combos are not rewarding. They are either not as effective or tactical as they should be, or are not graphically satisfying to the player, or both (relative to their complexity).

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#23 herozs
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Thats arrogant, but please Itagaki-san make ng2 multyplat
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#24 rzepak
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I hate QTEs so I might end up agreeing with the guy and since when is it wrong to state ones opinion? He makes games he plays games so he sure as hell has more grounds to make a statement like that than any one else in these forums. For me stuff like this shows that some people have character. I hate all the "We could only achieve this on console whatever" more than a person stating his personal opinion.
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#25 Dreams-Visions
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I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.eastside49er

agree 110%.

People need to be rational about this game. Let me make it simple:

The gameplay in this title is not better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The framerate is not better than Sigma.

The graphics are debatable.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma only scored 9.0 here.

If Sigma only scored 9.0 and we KNOW Heavenly Sword is inferior in the above ways, how in the world do we expect it to get a score equivalent to or greater than Sigma?

It won't.

Heavely Sword will be 8.0 or 8.5. Fanboys will have a fit, but they set themselves up for failure.

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[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.Dreams-Visions

agree 110%.

People need to be rational about this game. Let me make it simple:

The gameplay in this title is not better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The framerate is not better than Sigma.

The graphics are debatable.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma only scored 9.0 here.

If Sigma only scored 9.0 and we KNOW Heavenly Sword is inferior in the above ways, how in the world do we expect it to get a score equivalent to or greater than Sigma?

It won't.

Heavely Sword will be 8.0 or 8.5. Fanboys will have a fit, but they set themselves up for failure.

better get ready for alot of backtracking when it doesn't get an AAA and the cows start suffering from selective memory loss

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#27 Heil68
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Thats kinda funny seeing him be a fanboy...heh
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#28 me999
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Hes probebly just pissed that Heavenly Sword is now competing with Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly sword is a God of War Mixed with Ninja Gaiden fighting style gameplay :)

Honestly, i played both Ninja gaiden sigma and Heavenly Sword Demos and i can trully say Heavenly Sword is better :)

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#29 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.lawlessx

agree 110%.

People need to be rational about this game. Let me make it simple:

The gameplay in this title is not better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The framerate is not better than Sigma.

The graphics are debatable.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma only scored 9.0 here.

If Sigma only scored 9.0 and we KNOW Heavenly Sword is inferior in the above ways, how in the world do we expect it to get a score equivalent to or greater than Sigma?

It won't.

Heavely Sword will be 8.0 or 8.5. Fanboys will have a fit, but they set themselves up for failure.

better get ready for alot of backtracking when it doesn't get an AAA and the cows start suffering from selective memory loss

The official thread makes backtracking impossible.

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#30 TheOneMan
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Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?
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#31 Dreams-Visions
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Thats kinda funny seeing him be a fanboy...hehHeil68
people are always fanboys of their own work. Artists being the biggest offenders and the most sensitive.
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Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?TheOneMan
Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:
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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"]Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?Dreams-Visions
Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:

Yes I do, and I agree with him to the MAX.

Tekken is a slow and clunky fighter...

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#35 Finale-
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If Dead or Alive wasn't absolute garbage I might of listened to him.
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#36 Dreams-Visions
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If Dead or Alive wasn't absolute garbage I might of listened to him. Finale-
ouch. I enjoy Dead or Alive. It's not bad at all. Only fighter that ever lasted me 1.5 years is DoA4 thanks to online.
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#37 hazuki87
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Hes about as bad as Hideo Kojima... and he looks like a tool.
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hahahaah, this guy is awesome.
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?TheOneMan

Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:

Yes I do, and I agree with him to the MAX.

Tekken is a slow and clunky fighter...

Which must make Dead or Alive the worst fighter series in existence. Simple fighters for the casual gamer who like virtual women. The guy has no right to bash Tekken when it's way better than his fighter series.
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#40 Ragashahs
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says the game who made the same game 3 times
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#41 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?ferretzor

Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:

Yes I do, and I agree with him to the MAX.

Tekken is a slow and clunky fighter...

Which must make Dead or Alive the worst fighter series in existence. Simple fighters for the casual gamer who like virtual women. The guy has no right to bash Tekken when it's way better than his fighter series.

It's all opinion my acromonious friend. All opinion...
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[QUOTE="ferretzor"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?TheOneMan

Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:

Yes I do, and I agree with him to the MAX.

Tekken is a slow and clunky fighter...

Which must make Dead or Alive the worst fighter series in existence. Simple fighters for the casual gamer who like virtual women. The guy has no right to bash Tekken when it's way better than his fighter series.

It's all opinion my acromonious friend. All opinion...

I know. And I countered it with my opinion. Crazy, huh.
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#43 haterex
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Rant.... = Itagaki Tomonobu

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[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.Dreams-Visions

agree 110%.

People need to be rational about this game. Let me make it simple:

The gameplay in this title is not better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The framerate is not better than Sigma.

The graphics are debatable.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma only scored 9.0 here.

If Sigma only scored 9.0 and we KNOW Heavenly Sword is inferior in the above ways, how in the world do we expect it to get a score equivalent to or greater than Sigma?

It won't.

Heavely Sword will be 8.0 or 8.5. Fanboys will have a fit, but they set themselves up for failure.



Excuse me sir, but I don't think having a different opinion about the game's gameplay and graphics makes me "irrational".
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#45 Ragashahs
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Hes about as bad as Hideo Kojima... and he looks like a tool.hazuki87
what? kojima never makes fun of games for no reason. and itagaki has no right to make run of HS when he's made the same same 3 times and when his own fighting seris isn't even better than tekken
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#46 -Sora
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says the game who made the same game 3 timesRagashahs

He only made it twice, just likeMGSs subsistence games and FFs International games.
Sigma was made by one of his like apprentice type people i think.

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#47 Shusty_lives
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hahahaah, this guy is awesome.-Sora

What a coincidence? You like what he said and you both like the 360 and dislike Sony...

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#48 D00nut
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[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]says the game who made the same game 3 times-Sora

He only made it twice, just likeMGSs subsistence games and FFs International games.
Sigma was made by one of his like apprentice type people i think.

Indeed, he wasn't the one behind Sigma. It was another guy.

Heh, he might call HS half-assed, but maybe...just maybe he has a lot more cooking with his other projects.

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#49 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the demo of HS. It is decent, like 8.0 or maybe an 8.5, but it isn't better than any recent NG game.Teufelhuhn

agree 110%.

People need to be rational about this game. Let me make it simple:

The gameplay in this title is not better than Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

The framerate is not better than Sigma.

The graphics are debatable.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma only scored 9.0 here.

If Sigma only scored 9.0 and we KNOW Heavenly Sword is inferior in the above ways, how in the world do we expect it to get a score equivalent to or greater than Sigma?

It won't.

Heavely Sword will be 8.0 or 8.5. Fanboys will have a fit, but they set themselves up for failure.



Excuse me sir, but I don't think having a different opinion about the game's gameplay and graphics makes me "irrational".

We've always known you to be crazy, so we're not surprised. :P lol

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#50 TheOneMan
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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"][QUOTE="ferretzor"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]Itagaki reminds me alot of David Jaffe, only you know, with more balls. At least Itagaki doesn't whine about his games getting low ratings. Stupid Jaffe. AGGGHHHHH WHY AM I SO BALD?!?ferretzor

Do you remember Itagki's rant on the Tekken series?! Gold. :lol:

Yes I do, and I agree with him to the MAX.

Tekken is a slow and clunky fighter...

Which must make Dead or Alive the worst fighter series in existence. Simple fighters for the casual gamer who like virtual women. The guy has no right to bash Tekken when it's way better than his fighter series.

It's all opinion my acromonious friend. All opinion...

I know. And I countered it with my opinion. Crazy, huh.

Not really...