Is The Dark Souls Series Ripping Off Western Games?

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#1 black_chamber99
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is it a total western wannabe game series or are there unique japanese elements to it?

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#2 psymon100
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Fantastic game. FromSoftware may be Japanese, but they can make anything they want. For example Dark Souls 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 etc etc. If any Western* Developers influenced them I'm happy with that. 

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#3 Joedgabe
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No... wth ? noooo...... da fudge.. it's a game based on medievil times mixed with fantasy.. it's like saying games ripped off humans likeness....... ohh right.. that lil girl from that bird movie claimed that too.. how stupid did that seemed ?

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#4 mems_1224
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its a western wannabe game with shitty japanese elements
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#5 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Does it matter if it is?
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#6 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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If it were a western game, it would hold your hand throughout and have a tutorial lasting at least 30 minutes. [spoiler] wow, I'm really not helping my "I'm not a weeaboo" case, am I? [/spoiler]
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#7 Joedgabe
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Does it matter if it is?charizard1605

it does matter.. people need to stop that whole wester games crap, let's all look at the credits to see how many people from different places in the world help develop the game. The whole western and japanese rpg thing is stupid.. :?

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#8 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Does it matter if it is?Joedgabe

it does matter.. people need to stop that whole wester games crap, let's all look at the credits to see how many people from different places in the world help develop the game. The whole western and japanese rpg thing is stupid.. :?

That's what I am trying to say, ultimately it doesn't matter if it's ripping off anything. Dark Souls is such an incredible game, who cares if it decided to be more western tonally?
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#9 Newhopes
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Do your home work before posting idiot threads like this.

 

From software has been making this type of game since the mid 90's in fact kings field the series that the souls games are the spiritual successor too are older than most western games of the same type.

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#10 Sword-Demon
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I really don't see the point in separating Japanese and western design choices. You say they're ripping off western games as if it's some sort of competition and they're not allowed to influence eachother to make better games.
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#11 Gxgear
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A question built upon the misconception of JRPG/WRPG as genres.

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#12 Lumpy311
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If J devs did rip off western games maybe their games wouldn't suck so hard.

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#13 darkziosj
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What? there's not mindless shooting, handholding, online crying children, sex, cliche as **** story.

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#14 Lumpy311
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What? there's not mindless shooting, handholding, online crying children, sex, cliche as **** story.

darkziosj

Yeah, those millions of RPGs that look virtually the same are original, they don't have cliche stories, they don't have a bunch of women shaking their oversized boobs around, and weaboos are known to be very respectful and smart people.

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#15 Gargus
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I dont care. I want a new kings field game, not just demons souls 3.

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#16 k2theswiss
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what?

 

just because it's made in japan don't mean it needs be like FF

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#17 k2theswiss
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[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]If it were a western game, it would hold your hand throughout and have a tutorial lasting at least 30 minutes. [spoiler] wow, I'm really not helping my "I'm not a weeaboo" case, am I? [/spoiler]

lol pretty much....
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#18 ReadingRainbow4
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How is a game with the best melee combat ever ripping off it's predecessor's?

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#19 tagyhag
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Is King's Field western?
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#20 Frostbite24
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The Souls series is a western rpg so no....

 

Just because it is made by Japanese doesn't mean it is a JRPG. Derp.

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#21 Alpha_S_
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A question built upon the misconception of JRPG/WRPG as genres.

Gxgear

Pretty much.  WRPG and JRPG refer to essentially two different genres/styles that emerged from western and Japanese developers respectively but are often lumped under the umbrella term of RPG.  There is nothing precluding Japanese dev from developing a western style RPG just as there is nothing stopping western developer working on a JRPG and there are examples of both.  

This whole obsession with genres is largely irrelevant anyway - the only question that needs to be asked is if the Souls series are good games...in which case the answer is generally yes.

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#22 SexyJazzCat
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A western wannabe game does shit better than western games apparently.

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#23 funsohng
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I f*cking hate idiotic threads like this. Why do idiots insist on dividing the gaming world into two categories, when it doesn't f*cking matter at the end.
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#24 kickass1337
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i only wish western games were as awesome as the souls series .... sigh
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#25 Devil-Itachi
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Don't think so just seems as though it was inspired by some western games and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't see a western series quite like it, so doesn't really seem like a wannabe of anything.
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#26 GunSmith1_basic
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it's a totally original game with diverse influences
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#27 black_chamber99
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[QUOTE="funsohng"]I f*cking hate idiotic threads like this. Why do idiots insist on dividing the gaming world into two categories, when it doesn't f*cking matter at the end.

we are the world
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#28 15strong
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I do not even understand the question. That's like asking if COD rips off FPS elements.

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#29 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"][QUOTE="funsohng"]I f*cking hate idiotic threads like this. Why do idiots insist on dividing the gaming world into two categories, when it doesn't f*cking matter at the end.

we are the world

WE ARE THE CHILDREN
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#30 Lulu_Lulu
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

A question built upon the misconception of JRPG/WRPG as genres.

Alpha_S_

Pretty much.  WRPG and JRPG refer to essentially two different genres/styles that emerged from western and Japanese developers respectively but are often lumped under the umbrella term of RPG.  There is nothing precluding Japanese dev from developing a western style RPG just as there is nothing stopping western developer working on a JRPG and there are examples of both.  

This whole obsession with genres is largely irrelevant anyway - the only question that needs to be asked is if the Souls series are good games...in which case the answer is generally yes.

They are good RPGs, but good games ? Nope ! I disagree.
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#31 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="darkziosj"]

What? there's not mindless shooting, handholding, online crying children, sex, cliche as **** story.

Lumpy311

Yeah, those millions of RPGs that look virtually the same are original, they don't have cliche stories, they don't have a bunch of women shaking their oversized boobs around, and weaboos are known to be very respectful and smart people.

Yeah said a dude with a fvckin' tank sig.
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#32 cain006
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Who cares? A good game is a good game.

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#33 Rage010101
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I dont see whether it matter or not, as long as the game is good.

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#34 AdrianWerner
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Ripping off has very negative meaning so no. Dark Souls is clearly inspired by western games and literature though. But it's also pretty unique. The whole concept started in King's Field, which was at the beggining just a very lame and dumbed down Ultima Underworld clone. But with each entry it got better and the whole world and it's style has gotten more unique. Dark Souls is culmination of this. You can still clearly see what influenced it, but the source material has been digested and turned into something very different and unique. 

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#35 j_assassin
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its the first game with that type of awesome unique gameplay and story so I dont think its ripping off anything
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#36 hippiesanta
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It look western minus those clunky design that wrpg usually have .... example Skyrim
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#38 deactivated-5c03000d4b1b4
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They're just showing western devs how to make a proper WRPG.
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#39 Raziel831991
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[QUOTE="darkziosj"]

What? there's not mindless shooting, handholding, online crying children, sex, cliche as **** story.

Lumpy311

Yeah, those millions of RPGs that look virtually the same are original, they don't have cliche stories, they don't have a bunch of women shaking their oversized boobs around, and weaboos are known to be very respectful and smart people.

 

90% of wrpgs recycle the same D&D fantasy and classic sci fi setting over and over again so i can say with no doubt they are just as generic as Jrpgs are and Im pretty sure the weaboos (such a dumb word by the way) are nowadays much more respectful then your avarege COD fan.

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#40 Trail_Mix
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I thought that's what people wanted, for more games to be westernized.

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#41 CTR360
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who cares its awesome game
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#42 ManatuBeard
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Considering China has a written history with more than 3500 years and the whole Asia is "older" than Europe, any western idea is a rip off of some Asian idea (and any US idea is a rip off of some EU or Asian idea... 237 years make is a little baby compared to most EU/Asian countries)

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#43 AdrianWerner
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Considering China has a written history with more than 3500 years and the whole Asia is "older" than Europe, any western idea is a rip off of some Asian idea (and any US idea is a rip off of some EU or Asian idea... 237 years make is a little baby compared to most EU/Asian countries)

ManatuBeard

Uhh...not really.

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#44 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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I couldn't give a shit, what it does is fricken fantastic and I want more of it

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#45 BlbecekBobecek
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Dark Souls is a western RPG (the fact that it was made by japanese devs has nothing to do with it). It fits into the genre and reincarnates it and pulls it long way in the right direction. It definitely does not rip it off.

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#46 AtariKidX
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No......fantastic and very unique game.
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#47 MrYaotubo
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No,it´s not exactly ripping off but all their games have been heavily influenced by western/crpg´s like Ultima Underwold wich was the main inspiration for King´s Field and Severance: Blades of Darkness for the Souls series.

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#48 uninspiredcup
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It's a good game. Don't give a shit if it is.

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#49 Lumpy311
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[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

[QUOTE="darkziosj"]

What? there's not mindless shooting, handholding, online crying children, sex, cliche as **** story.

rjdofu

Yeah, those millions of RPGs that look virtually the same are original, they don't have cliche stories, they don't have a bunch of women shaking their oversized boobs around, and weaboos are known to be very respectful and smart people.

Yeah said a dude with a fvckin' tank sig.

There's nothing more American than an M4 Sherman tank unless you paint it red white and blue. And it's an icon of World War 2.

 

I am not American by the way.

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#50 JamDev
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A WPRG with Japanese combat mechanics is a great thing, why would anyone complain about that?