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#1 Ghosts4ever
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When i start playing MGS5 i was impressed. then soon after i play it more i keep loosing interest. up until mission 21 i gave up. there are only 3 type of missions in this like like escort prisnor x, kill soldier y, disarm the minefield in whole game. world is also very bland.

Its probably one of the most boring and repetetive game ever made and i cant believe how can anyone gave this game a 10???!! a perfect score?! so all my friends and fellow gamers Do you think MGS5 is very overrated?

I think its not very good.

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#2  Edited By khoofia_pika
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No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the series.

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@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the genre/year/series

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#5 khoofia_pika
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@acp_45: I can agree with that. I personally thought TW3 was GOTY 2015, but it goes down to the wire with MGS5.

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@khoofia_pika said:

@acp_45: I can agree with that. I personally thought TW3 was GOTY 2015, but it goes down to the wire with MGS5.

Mechanically, The Witcher 3 isn't really a candidate.

But to me MGS V is the best, mechanically.

The Witcher 3 is without a doubt the best game I've played in 2015.

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Without a shadow of a doubt, mechanically the game was good, but everything was trash. The story, the world was lifeless and barren, the mission structures were awful with 90% of missions being Fulton extractions, Mother Base management was lame, a tacked on forgettable multiplayer, microtransactions

Simple fact is if Konami hadn't paid off reviewers and had their "review event" then the game would of scored no more than an 8.

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@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the series.

there is no story in MGS5 at all. gameplay is far from perfection. it could have been good if it were not repetetive. plus game was rushed. konami sold it unfinish state because there was another chapter.

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#9 khoofia_pika
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@acp_45: As far as gameplay goes, MGS5 was the best game of 2015, it's not even close.

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@khoofia_pika said:

@acp_45: As far as gameplay goes, MGS5 was the best game of 2015, it's not even close.

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#11 khoofia_pika
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@ghosts4ever: There is a story, the storytelling just isn't as heavy handed as what you usually see in Metal Gear games.

The game is only repetitive if you play it like that. The game gives you full freedom over how you want to tackle missions. If you felt all missions were the same, that's probably because you were playing all of them the same way. The game's throwing you into an open world, telling you what your objective is, and giving you full freedom with how to achieve it. You thought it was repetitive? Well, maybe that's on you. Get creative, have fun with the reactive, emergent gameplay the game is offering you, and the repetition problem goes away.

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#12  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the series.

there is no story in MGS5 at all. gameplay is far from perfection. it could have been good if it were not repetetive. plus game was rushed. konami sold it unfinish state because there was another chapter.

There is story. It's not told in the same way as the previous games. The game didn't exactly use conventional storytelling. Also you saying " no story" is gonna make me assume that you didn't even think of listening to those tapes. Those tapes hold 90% of the game's dialogues/monologues. It also holds a very large chunk of the plot. If you don't even invest yourself in that treasure pot then you don't have the right to moan about the game's story. The story wasn't the best out there though.... Truthfully, it's quite the mess. But that is Metal Gear Solid.

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The misconception that MGSV is an open-world game is a common occurrence.

Sandbox.

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I didn't enjoy it... Then again I hate stealth games.

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#14  Edited By BassMan
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MGS is probably the most overrated series in games period. There is a strange fanboy reaction from critics when a new MGS is released. They are good games, but way overrated.

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@acp_45: Bingo. Those tapes, man- they're key. Most people like TC played the game, skipped the tapes (probably), noticed that there were no typical heavy handed MGS cutscenes and just went "there is no story!"

Of course, the story itself is a bit of a mess- it went in a completely different direction from what I was expecting, but it's Kojima's story, and props to him for having the balls to tell it, and tell it his way.

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@khoofia_pika said:

@acp_45: Bingo. Those tapes, man- they're key. Most people like TC played the game, skipped the tapes (probably), noticed that there were no typical heavy handed MGS cutscenes and just went "there is no story!"

Of course, the story itself is a bit of a mess- it went in a completely different direction from what I was expecting, but it's Kojima's story, and props to him for having the balls to tell it, and tell it his way.

My mind was blown after a certain mission ( 51 I think) ....I felt like an idiot. Kojima is obnoxious.

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@acp_45: Yeah, not a big fan of how that went down. By the end of Chapter 1 though, I'd pretty much decided that I'm playing this for how perfect it is gameplay-wise, and the story just took a backseat for me.

It was still a slap in the face though. I've come to terms with it (somewhat) by now, but yeah, it took me by surprise when I first saw it.

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@BassMan said:

MGS is probably the most overrated series in games period. There is a strange fanboy reaction from critics when a new MGS is released. They are good games, but way overrated.

Without a doubt it's the most overrated series, and it also has the dumbest fanbase

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@evanagale said:
@BassMan said:

MGS is probably the most overrated series in games period. There is a strange fanboy reaction from critics when a new MGS is released. They are good games, but way overrated.

Without a doubt it's the most overrated series, and it also has the dumbest fanbase

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@acp_45 said:
@evanagale said:
@BassMan said:

MGS is probably the most overrated series in games period. There is a strange fanboy reaction from critics when a new MGS is released. They are good games, but way overrated.

Without a doubt it's the most overrated series, and it also has the dumbest fanbase

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#21  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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Hell no, it's the greatest flawed masterpiece for video games. I'm not going to say the game doesn't have issues, but seriously, the people shitting on MGSV need to get some standards. We're all being fed similar shit every single year for AAA games, you rarely see a unique game shine these days. MGSV brings a fresh and bold adventure, and people somehow hate it. Again, it does have problems, but **** man, it's still an incredible experience.

Also, **** the haters. The story in that game is great, it's just paced extremely poorly. The ending of that game ties that saga together and makes everything work cohesively. I understand if people dislike the presentation of how that story is told, but the meat and potatoes of story revelations and character intrigue is very well done.

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**** no, the game plays fantastic. The Witcher 3's status as a "great" game to me warrants the argument for "overrated" for the amount of apologies made for that combat engine, that camera, the encounter designs. There are points of that game that are straight up amateur hour. And the repetition knock is always from people that want to play their games in the single most boring way imaginable, that and ignoring all the different set ups to begin with. The frame work of the missions can be the same brand of scout, infiltrate, gank, exfiltrate, but the missions themselves are plenty varied. Get real.

Beyond Witcher 3's butthole combat, I actually don't have an honest answer for a game I feel gets praise while being an sub-good game at least, because The Witcher 3 does plenty right to be a good game, I don't think it was the best game of last year, **** it wasn't even the best rpg, and what I've played of Shadowrun Hong Kong, it wasn't even the best western rpg, but it was a good game.

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No, it's actually honestly a bit underappreciated when one takes into account the backlash that followed for the game after its release.

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**** no, the game plays fantastic. The Witcher 3's status as a "great" game to me warrants the argument for "overrated" for the amount of apologies made for that combat engine, that camera, the encounter designs. There are points of that game that are straight up amateur hour. And the repetition knock is always from people that want to play their games in the single most boring way imaginable, that and ignoring all the different set ups to begin with. The frame work of the missions can be the same brand of scout, infiltrate, gank, exfiltrate, but the missions themselves are plenty varied. Get real.

Beyond Witcher 3's butthole combat, I actually don't have an honest answer for a game I feel gets praise while being an sub-good game at least, because The Witcher 3 does plenty right to be a good game, I don't think it was the best game of last year, **** it wasn't even the best rpg, and what I've played of Shadowrun Hong Kong, it wasn't even the best western rpg, but it was a good game.

witcher 3 is overrated too. sure it has terrible combat and become extremely boring but i atleast end up complete witcher 3. cant say same about MGS5.

there are only same type of missions over and over and over again to the point i become chore to play.

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MGSV deserves a 9 out of 10.

I think Bloodborne is another overrated game. Still deserves maybe a 9 out of 10 too though.

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#26  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@ghosts4ever said:
@jg4xchamp said:

**** no, the game plays fantastic. The Witcher 3's status as a "great" game to me warrants the argument for "overrated" for the amount of apologies made for that combat engine, that camera, the encounter designs. There are points of that game that are straight up amateur hour. And the repetition knock is always from people that want to play their games in the single most boring way imaginable, that and ignoring all the different set ups to begin with. The frame work of the missions can be the same brand of scout, infiltrate, gank, exfiltrate, but the missions themselves are plenty varied. Get real.

Beyond Witcher 3's butthole combat, I actually don't have an honest answer for a game I feel gets praise while being an sub-good game at least, because The Witcher 3 does plenty right to be a good game, I don't think it was the best game of last year, **** it wasn't even the best rpg, and what I've played of Shadowrun Hong Kong, it wasn't even the best western rpg, but it was a good game.

witcher 3 is overrated too. sure it has terrible combat and become extremely boring but i atleast end up complete witcher 3. cant say same about MGS5.

there are only same type of missions over and over and over again to the point i become chore to play.

Mission 1: First get intel on kaz's location, then sneak into outpost to actually extract (and it ends with the skulls)

Mission 4: destroy the comm system

Mission 6: Sneak into that one shit, get the rocket launchers, now deal with the skulls

Mission: 7: Take out 3 dudes, can be done multiple ways, including going to 3 separate outposts, or take them all out at once

Mission 8: Take down a colonel, where if you take too long there is also a tank convey you have to deal with, and that can be hit while on the move, or taken down easier at that one compound you steal the killer bee from

Mission 9: Destroy convoys

Mission 10: Extract prisoner from that broken down palace

Mission 11: Fight a sniper

Mission 12: Sneak back out of a compound you already went into, grab Heuy from one of the more elaborate outposts, and oh yeah Gundam at the end

Mission 13: blow up oil factory

Mission 14: Tail an interpreter first, then you get to the extracting, and you never come back to this area ever again

Mission 15: blow up walker gears

Mission 16: extract that truck. Which you either can take out at an airport and deal with skulls, or get on the move, in between 2 tanks before they reach the finish line

Mission 18: get a bunch of kids out of a mine, and now escort their asses, and they are fucking kids so they barely listen

Mission 20: Devil's House stuff

Mission 22: It's a PVP thing

Mission 25: deal with child soldiers, all your guns are taken away

Mission 28: Codetalker, first there is that swamp, then there is getting in that bitch, and then its getting out of that bitch

Mission 29: **** this, you fight skulls at an airport

Mission 31: Fight a gundam

Hit the bench please.

You didn't care for it because the game clearly needed a difficulty setting, less konami bullshit, less padding in side ops, and actual plot written by someone who can actually write a good plot? Sure, I have no problem accepting a complaint from those people, but "herpa derp the game was repetitive" nah, you weren't paying attention, that's on you, and that goes without bringing up how much mechanical freedom you have and how many solutions you have to actually beating a good chunk of those missions.

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@jg4xchamp said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@jg4xchamp said:

**** no, the game plays fantastic. The Witcher 3's status as a "great" game to me warrants the argument for "overrated" for the amount of apologies made for that combat engine, that camera, the encounter designs. There are points of that game that are straight up amateur hour. And the repetition knock is always from people that want to play their games in the single most boring way imaginable, that and ignoring all the different set ups to begin with. The frame work of the missions can be the same brand of scout, infiltrate, gank, exfiltrate, but the missions themselves are plenty varied. Get real.

Beyond Witcher 3's butthole combat, I actually don't have an honest answer for a game I feel gets praise while being an sub-good game at least, because The Witcher 3 does plenty right to be a good game, I don't think it was the best game of last year, **** it wasn't even the best rpg, and what I've played of Shadowrun Hong Kong, it wasn't even the best western rpg, but it was a good game.

witcher 3 is overrated too. sure it has terrible combat and become extremely boring but i atleast end up complete witcher 3. cant say same about MGS5.

there are only same type of missions over and over and over again to the point i become chore to play.

Mission 1: First get intel on kaz's location, then sneak into outpost to actually extract (and it ends with the skulls)

Mission 4: destroy the comm system

Mission 6: Sneak into that one shit, get the rocket launchers, now deal with the skulls

Mission: 7: Take out 3 dudes, can be done multiple ways, including going to 3 separate outposts, or take them all out at once

Mission 8: Take down a colonel, where if you take too long there is also a tank convey you have to deal with, and that can be hit while on the move, or taken down easier at that one compound you steal the killer bee from

Mission 9: Destroy convoys

Mission 10: Extract prisoner from that broken down palace

Mission 11: Fight a sniper

Mission 12: Sneak back out of a compound you already went into, grab Heuy from one of the more elaborate outposts, and oh yeah Gundam at the end

Mission 13: blow up oil factory

Mission 14: Tail an interpreter first, then you get to the extracting, and you never come back to this area ever again

Mission 15: blow up walker gears

Mission 16: extract that truck. Which you either can take out at an airport and deal with skulls, or get on the move, in between 2 tanks before they reach the finish line

Mission 18: get a bunch of kids out of a mine, and now escort their asses, and they are fucking kids so they barely listen

Mission 20: Devil's House stuff

Mission 22: It's a PVP thing

Mission 25: deal with child soldiers, all your guns are taken away

Mission 28: Codetalker, first there is that swamp, then there is getting in that bitch, and then its getting out of that bitch

Mission 29: **** this, you fight skulls at an airport

Mission 31: Fight a gundam

Hit the bench please.

You didn't care for it because the game clearly needed a difficulty setting, less konami bullshit, less padding in side ops, and actual plot written by someone who can actually write a good plot? Sure, I have no problem accepting a complaint from those people, but "herpa derp the game was repetitive" nah, you weren't paying attention, that's on you, and that goes without bringing up how much mechanical freedom you have and how many solutions you have to actually beating a good chunk of those missions.

TL:DR

so theres different mission objectives?? but all you have to do is same thing and also capturing same checkpost again. game is very repetetive.

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@ghosts4ever: Did you actually play the game beyond the first episode? Because I have a very strong suspicion that you did not.

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@acp_45 said:
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No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the genre/year/series

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Never played the original Thief games I'm guessing.

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#31  Edited By drinkerofjuice
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No other game this gen plays as magnificent as MGSV does, just as how no other game this gen provides as much freedom and options in pursuing an objective. It is truly a personalized experience. The game has its issues, but repetition is far from one of them, not to mention it being a fault that lies entirely on the player. If you play boring, then don't be surprised when you're bored.

And as much as people want to cry about it being "unfinished", you can easily sink more time in it than every primary MGS game combined.

Like Char said, if anything it's underappreciated because a bunch of controversey had to surround what was and still is a genuinely great game.

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@ghosts4ever: Did you actually play the game beyond the first episode? Because I have a very strong suspicion that you did not.

If he didn't that's a good thing. If he did go beyond that he would have to witness one of the most anti-climactic scenes in all of gaming.

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This screams Sniper lvl of stupidity, TC has to be his alt cause no one is this stupid.

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@ghosts4ever said:

TL:DR

so theres different mission objectives?? but all you have to do is same thing

That's a reductionist understanding of how video games work, on a very basic level most if not all come down to do the same thing. Mario Galaxy is get that star. Only a certified moron would call it repetitive. If you want to argue the side ops make the game more repetitive? eh sure, but those are also optional, the mandatory missions are more than varied sunshine.

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@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the genre/year/series

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Never played the original Thief games I'm guessing.

Thief's overall gameplay loop is stronger, because the level design, basic presentation, and even the narrative all make a more cohesive stealth experience. It's a more tense and cerebral experience overall, but he's not wrong necessarily for arguing purely in a vacuum that MGSV's individual mechanics are some of the best the genre has seen. From basic movement, to the way the fulton/soldier stuff provides incentive for no kill runs, to the scoring system, to how the shooting works, to how the enemy line of sight, shift patterns, to basic environmental stuff like sandstorms or rain, etc.

Individual mechanics? MGSV has an exceptional argument, hell I think Chaos Theory might have an excellent one as well.

The beautify of Thief, especially 2 isn't that the mechanics are ace (which they are top notch for the record), it's the way the entire gameplay composition comes together. There's a the game is firing on all cylinders vibe to that game, where MGSV is more its mechanics.

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@jg4xchamp said:
@ghosts4ever said:

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so theres different mission objectives?? but all you have to do is same thing

That's a reductionist understanding of how video games work, on a very basic level most if not all come down to do the same thing. Mario Galaxy is get that star. Only a certified moron would call it repetitive. If you want to argue the side ops make the game more repetitive? eh sure, but those are also optional, the mandatory missions are more than varied sunshine.

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@acp_45 said:
@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the genre/year/series

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Never played the original Thief games I'm guessing.

Thief's overall gameplay loop is stronger, because the level design, basic presentation, and even the narrative all make a more cohesive stealth experience. It's a more tense and cerebral experience overall, but he's not wrong necessarily for arguing purely in a vacuum that MGSV's individual mechanics are some of the best the genre has seen. From basic movement, to the way the fulton/soldier stuff provides incentive for no kill runs, to the scoring system, to how the shooting works, to how the enemy line of sight, shift patterns, to basic environmental stuff like sandstorms or rain, etc.

Individual mechanics? MGSV has an exceptional argument, hell I think Chaos Theory might have an excellent one as well.

The beautify of Thief, especially 2 isn't that the mechanics are ace (which they are top notch for the record), it's the way the entire gameplay composition comes together. There's a the game is firing on all cylinders vibe to that game, where MGSV is more its mechanics.

Mechanics aren't much when most of the game world is a flat plane with somewhat intelligent AI wandering around.

MGS V:GZ had one of the best levels in the entire genre and was highly unrepresentative of how MGS V:TPP actually turned out to be.

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#38  Edited By SolidGame_basic  Online
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This happens a lot with non-MGS fans. They see the reviews and fail to take into account the type of game that it is. MGS games have always been about repetition. i.e. playing the game over again, but trying different ways of playing it. With that said, gameplay wise, this is by far the best in the series. Try playing the previous ones and see how outdated and boring their gameplay is. I put 70 hours into this game. Previous MGS games don't even come close to that amount of content.

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Witcher 3.

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Witcher 3.

It is. but not as much as MGS5.

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I'm still playing MGSV but I am liking the game.I'd give it a 9/10. It is the best in the series given that the previous MGS games had mediocre gameplay.

Besides the story always sucked.

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While the game is good, it received at least one additional point for being a Kojima game.

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Yes alongside Witcher 3 those games are ridiculously overrated

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#44  Edited By Moistcarrot
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Yep.

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#45  Edited By NathanDrakeSwag
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MGSV is pretty much the best stealth game ever made. It didn't deserve a 10 because the story sucked and didn't have a real ending but the gameplay had everything a stealth fan could want.

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Don't know about it being the most overrated game of the generation but it is pretty overrated. That's what you get when reviewers post their "reviews" after review events fully controlled by the publishers.

@faizanhd said:
@acp_45 said:
@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the genre/year/series

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Never played the original Thief games I'm guessing.

That's my guess too. Thief 2 have some of the most fluid gameplay mechanics ever seen in the genre and best level design in a stealth game. Period.

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#47  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@khoofia_pika said:

No, MGS5 is excellent. Its story doesn't take the direction that MGS veterans may have been hoping for, but gameplay-wise it's close to perfection.

Mechanically, it's probably the best game in the series.

Pretty much this.. Furthermore, for me it has tons of longevity and replayability.. Its the type of game I feel I will be going back to for years and years.. The only other MGS game I ever played was MGS4.. And I could not say the same thing with that game.. If anything I would say MGS4 is far more over-rated..

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Nope, it is by far the best game of this generation.

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I loved MGS V mechanically and gameplay-wise, but quickly got bored of the same old environments, locations, and mission types. I couldn't even make it to Africa, I became so bored. But man, did the game look and play beautifully.

I'd love to see the original MGS and Snake Eater redone in this Fox engine with these mechanics and AI. God that'd be amazing.

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@MirkoS77 said:

I loved MGS V mechanically and gameplay-wise, but quickly got bored of the same old environments, locations, and mission types. I couldn't even make it to Africa, I became so bored. But man, did the game look and play beautifully.

I'd love to see the original MGS and Snake Eater redone in this Fox engine with these mechanics and AI. God that'd be amazing.

thats probably what i think of a game. Ever mission and Every location is almost almost same. dont know what was kojima thinking after all.