Is mac > pc now?

I've seen a few benchmarks and results. Intel was always careful of AMD, little did they know mac would come out of nowhere and woop both their asses with the m1 chip. Intel/AMD should be ashamed of themselves. From what I've seen, the m1 is 3 times faster than intels best chips at single thread apps, and does it all at a fraction of the power usage. If Apple cared to release the m1 on the market and not keep it only to their mac, wouldn't Intel and amd both be in deep shit?

I'm honestly amazed and impressed. What took AMD 20 years to do, Apple did in one afternoon.

Lol, no.

This is why breeding should be a selective process

Mac has always been better than PC.

@pc_rocks said:

Why do you care? You're a chromebook gamer.

Mac is easily superior. more classy, elegant. better design

Doesn't Nvidia own ARM now? I think everyone should fear the day they dominate the market for processors as they'll most likely gouge consumers once there's nowhere left to go.

Anyhow, the processor they're using is ARM based, and nothing is stopping PCs from using them either.

For some people but not for me.

Better OS, but the M1 lacks instruction sets and relies a lot on emulation, a performance killer.

He's right the M1 chip clobbers amd and intel and makes them look like overheating turds

Not yet. They are still waiting for all interested parties to approve the sale.

ARM is currently open to license by anyone. While Nvidia has committed to keeping it this way, it sure doesn't mean they wont change their mind at some point.

We shall see what this potential sale means for Apple and all the other companies who rely on this technology. I think it kinda sticks because ARM has traditionally been a customer-neutral company.

Perhaps industries will slowly adopt RISC-V as an alternative to ARM-based SoC.

Wouldn't affect them a bit. Apple holds a perpetual license to ARM and I guess so do others. What Nvidia could do though is stop or lower investments in ARM's current IP and create a new IP with their proprietary technology that's backcoopat with ARM but under a different or more expensive license.

No matter what happens, whether this deal go through or not. ARM on PC is inevitable and Nvidia too will have a SoC for that. They already demonstrated a Doom Eternal build running on their ARM SoC at this year's GDC. Rumour is that MS is also working on their on ARM processor.

The only reason Apple was first is because they control their ecosystem completely hence it was easy for them to do so. Not so much for the rest of the PC industry.

I got a M1 MacBook a month or so ago and I'm glad I did. Was always a PC user but the new M1 Macs are setting a bar for computers. Now I can't say pertaining to gaming, I don't PC game, but if you check out reviews of the M1 flavor, you'll see that it works in such a way that is simply superior to PCs. There's a lot of fuss going on with the M1s right now and for good reason. If Mac wanted to make crazy gaming PCs with the M1, it could. M1 is the future for Mac and I'm glad to be a part of it.

It's really hard to understand this unless you're there. One of my friends kept telling me he'll never buy a PC again. He owns several Macs and they all work like they did day one of purchase. I'm loving my Mac and will never look back to PC (only use a regular PC for work).

I'm not hipster enough to buy Apple products. Twice the price for a fraction of the performance and maybe 1% of the gaming library just so I can sit around and sniff my own farts telling myself I am special? Pass. I'll stick with the system that actually has games, which is Windows or Linux, not Apple.

I went Mac and will never go back. Microsoft Windows blows chunks IMO.

Why do you hate Xbox's OS?

For casual use? Yeah, I find Mac easier to use for your average Joe. For gaming? lol.

Mac has its uses but for just gaming alone, nope. Steam Deck outranks it in terms of gaming.

Mac is just PC for these people...

I'm personally not a fan of anything Apple, but even with the M1 I don't think it will make PC gamers jump ship. The absolute Biggest draw of PC gaming is the fact that it's and open market that allows you to do what you want how you want. You get to choose your where you buy software for the cheapest price, what input device you play your software on, your components, display, settings and yes, lighting. All of that is lost on Apple, who's closed platform is focused entirely on making money off of proprietary accessories and locking you into the apple ecosystem. The M1's fast on their closed ecosystem, cool. Still not something I'd go all in for when 5 months ago they had to agreed to pay up to $500 million for intentionally slowing down their products to force their customers to upgrade.

I haven't used a Mac since back in college for video editing software. In terms of gaming, then nah, but anything else i'm not sure.

Well let’s be clear, the M1 chip is a design marvel. But Windows strength and weakness is its legacy support. And unless developers flock to ARM compatible game engines, I don’t see any reason people who prim game will switch over.

This. Also, lol!

Lol, no.

android > apple > mac > PC > Consoles

@zerothehero: I am right, mac m1 definitely bests Intel and amd. I'll post some benches soon.

@blaznwiipspman1: I think these ARM processors have potential, but they are wasted with the Apple ecosystem. Fuk Apple. Also, it will be a long time before X86 platform is seriously threatened. Another thing to keep in mind is that Intel is finally starting to move to smaller manufacturing processes to go along with architecture changes. So, there will be big gains for Intel in the future. Good on ARM/Nvidia, but seriously... fuk Apple.

It'll never be good at gaming while apple is obsess with releasing yearly OS updates. It plays havoc with compatibility. Developers don't update their games to make them compatible. So some games work with this OS, some games work with that OS.

Honestly apples best bet is to get behind Xcloud for gaming. It'll also suit the lack of GPUs on macs that'll keep up with the job.

The M1 is better for Music production than the average Intel/AMD CPU, and wont get hot when you push it making it ideal for certain jobs, especially when you don't want fan noise.

@fedor: I find Windows to be buggy garbage.

@x_hedon: Fair enough.

I have the M1. Whisper quiet while everyone else is bitching about fan noise at work.

What do you mean? And what is the impact?

As for emulation, it does a damn fine job with Rossetta 2 because it has hardware acceleration to help with that in terms of memory management I think. It runs most intel apps very well in my experience.

Here's an interesting couple of videos to help people understand the M1 if they're curious:

Not sure what people are talking about with performance. It's comparable to a Ryzen 5 for CPU with maybe a 1080 GPU and is capped at only 16gb RAM. That's not very impressive, especially for gaming.

Same, I got the new M1 Mac Mini for Music stuff. I just wanted to not have to worry about running out of CPU in this area and I want the computer to stfu while I'm doing it.

The problem with intel CPUs in the old one I have is that anything other than mild work loads gets it warm and starts to set the fan off.

Intel CPUs are just not suitable for mac designs. What is the point of all that power if you can't use it without setting off fans.

It's GPU is comparable to a 1650Ti I believe and no it's not good for gaming. Mainly because of apples constant OS releases playing havoc with compatibility year on year. I personally think apple are better off supporting Xcloud for gaming.

In terms of other jobs, it's been comparable to i9s in apple computers in certain areas.

As for RAM, these are not the "Pro" models of the apple silicon line up. So they are impressive none the less.

Oh definitely. Also, we're working remotely and using Teams a lot which is a huge resource hog. I can sometimes hear the fans of my colleague spin during meetings.

So all these comparisons are automatically mute and void since we don't have any gaming benchmarks to use as a reference. Sure Mac runs a calculator faster. How about, you know, games? oh right, you "don't PC game". Don't you see your own logical flaws in your argument lol

So far, what I have understood from Mac fanboys is that Mac is faster than PC... but not in games, since Mac doesn't have them...But it's Ok, since who wants to play games on PC anyway...especially on a forum dedicated to gaming.../sarcasm

lol no.

Anyone that uses a Mac is using it for dumb reasons, because that's what they used as a kid and they were therefore indoctrinated to use it (sort of like how people are still religious; it's because their parents were religious), or some stupid reason like "Oh I like how Macs look".

You want to talk about the warranties and support of a Mac/Apple and how good they are, fine, I'll give you that one. But that's it.

I know that's your opinion and all, but could you please quantify that?

How are they superior? Classier? More elegant? Better designed?

All I see when I read this is "I like all the unimportant stuff and appreciate form over function" which just screams vanity, insecurity, and a person who is the opposite of pragmatic.

Well, duh. Better to spend 2000 dollars on an overpriced-but-sexy Mac and then buy a console than to spend 1200 dollars building an "ugly" PC that can do both.