If Halo 5 Flops is the Xbox Brand dead?

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#51 lundy86_4
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No.

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#52 themajormayor
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Was it ever alive?

The answer is no.

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#53 Pray_to_me
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The Xbox one is ghetto and everyone knows it.

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#54 ominous_titan
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It won't be good for it. Xbox is the 7-11 of consoles

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#55 CrashNeoSigma
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won't ever happen

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#56 musalala
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It won't flop, even if its bad or mediocre it won't flop

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#57 iandizion713
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Xbox cant be killed. NA is carrying Xbox all by itself, its freakin scary. Sony has the whole world and is still not all that much ahead of Xbox. Im not sure how they do it, but Microsoft has a very dedicated fan base.

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#58 Lionheart08
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Are we talking about Systemwars "Flop" or actually being a Commerical Flop? Because it's the former, I consumers will actually bat an eyelash if Halo scores an 8 on Gamespot.

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#59 RedentSC
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@SecretPolice: ohhhh i dunno about "millions" like... i bet mosrt of those "millions" don't even play it anymore. Anyone got player stats for it?

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#60 ni6htmare01
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No! it will not be dead! Not yet, but I will bet 90% of the lems will hide a way from here for a while!

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#61  Edited By Shewgenja
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I think Halo 5 will have an incredibly strong tie-in to the established XBone owners but it will not move hardware significantly.

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#62 SecretPolice
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@RedentSC:

And that has what to do with the price of rice in China? I mean really, wth man, so what if they aren't playing it years later, does that mean MS has to refund the Millions who bought the game? C'mon, put your thinking cap on before speaking with me mang. :P

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#63 Alucard_Prime
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I seriously doubt Halo 5 will flop but nothing is impossible of course. Going by my experiences with the beta I'm pretty confident it will come out good. I liked Halo4 and with MCC they have shown their commitment to the fans and the franchise, hopefully we will see some lessons learned with the released of Halo 5.......or more like, some mistakes not repeated :)

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#64 Soethi6
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Windows 8 is great!

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#65 FoxbatAlpha
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Halo 5 will be so epic that Kaz himself will be Twitch'ing it.

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#66  Edited By StormyJoe
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@ProtossX: If Nintendo can survive a Mario flop, Microsoft can survive a Halo flop.

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#67 AzatiS
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@ProtossX said:

I was thinking about this for a bit.

What if Halo 5 comes out, the multiplayer isn't fun and the playerbase drops out super fast, and paid reviews don't save it an gamers don't like the game.

would that kill the xbox brand or just the halo brand or neither?

also I can tell what i don't like more windows 8 or xbox weak hardware and gimmicks like kinect

i honestly don't what i hate more the OS or the hardware and the crap with it

and i heard windows 10 is gonna be cool and all but what if also has tablet type stuff again like windows 8 and we hate it again too,

now microsoft is trying to get rid of the xbox brand and they took away xbox music and xbox video and are renaming those things because of what the xb1 did to public perception

if the xb1 was well recieved like the ps4 they would have kept those names for windows 8/10 like playstation store is doing

so i dunno which product is worse right now honestly

i honestly just dunno that company makes money , they buy up companies and make them worse, and then fire people from them how is it still making money

i guess they should just be a lawyer company and sue people with patents and just stop making things cuz they dont make anything good nemore

Halo 5 will be a commercial success in NA and maybe UK , flop or not.

I really think though that if HALO 5 flops will have a huge impact on Xbox brand overall.

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#68  Edited By Shewgenja
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The simple answer to the question is 'yes.'

Not fanboyism bias speaking there but purely fact. There is no other IP that XBox, as a brand, leans on to anywhere near the same degree as Halo. XBox is a house that Halo built and as long as people love it, XBox is not a house divided. If a Halo does poorly, though, things change. They need to scramble to throw their weight behind some other property and they just don't own that many.

It's been a strategic risk from the start. Nintendo saw that Mario was synonymous with their systems so they started putting Mario in puzzle games/tennis/spinoffs and all kinds of manners of stuff to strengthen their branding way back in the 80's. MS has taken no such moves and Master Chief himself is barely a two-dimensional character before Halo 4 where they really tried to church him up. Meanwhile, MSes first-party studios have been stretched simply trying to run the clock on Forza and Gears to satisfy their core audience and it exposes a weakness.

Halo 5 has to be tremendously good. There's just no alternative at this point. XBox, as a brand, has suffered enough damage without Halo taking the piss.

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#69  Edited By RedentSC
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@SecretPolice: No not at all. But you can't claim there are "millions of others consider MCC as the best bang for the buck compilation to ever come down the pipe so"

Sorry like but not everyone who bought it will consider it the best compilation ever, Also if these people love it so much, then the current player count should be increadbly high, beating the likes of the orange box? Counter strike is in there, so MCC is a bigger/better compliation that the orange box ever was? and in turn, should have a much higher player count that CS right? i mean CS is over 10 years old! also thats just putting MCC up against one other game, not the countless others that pummel the buggy POS into the ground

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#70 l34052
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It wont flop cause ms will bundle it with the bone and then combine the sales of that with the sales of the game individually to give the impression its selling well to the idiotic masses.

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#71 Shibua
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Killzone died when its was released on PS2 and they keep making the sh*t

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#72 gpuking
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Who buys a 720p in late 2015?

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#73  Edited By SecretPolice
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@RedentSC:

Firstly, since you didn't quote the post you were referring to I thought it was a post I made about Halo 4 in a different thread but eh, what I said still applies. Secondly, I didn't say Everyone, I said millions. Thirdly, you're talking one online MP game on OB/HL that yep, it's all Valve ever put out over the years for HL whereas Halos online covers 4 altogether different online games so I'd imagine if you took all of them plus I think Halo CE & 2 are still played by some PC guys online and combined the amount of people who play them, it would be favorable to Halos. Also, ya know, many like myself love to play the campaigns off line SP or co-op much more than playing online PvP and I'm fairly certain again, there many like me to which you're not going to be able to tell how many people are playing the games.

MCC campaigns since I started playing Christmas week 2014 have been awesome and worth twice the price of admission.

Oh, and for the record, I loved OB back in the day and it was an awesome deal put haven't touched that since I dunno. 2010 maybe.

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#74 IKnowWhatsWrong
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LMAO if HALO 5 doesn't flop the Xbox brand is definitely dead.

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#75  Edited By cainetao11
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What's the point in reality? You already threw out the "paid reviews" remark so one cant say look at the MC score or reviews here where we are posting. But those sources are used as gospel truth in regards to other games. Maybe this game will serve its console well in sales and critical reception and of course the population of fans of the lore and universe of Halo. Maybe we don't care if you or anybody else doesn't like the game. There are millions of us literally. So much so that there are successful scifi novels much like star wars' expanded universe.

Get it clearly in your heads: THE XBOX WILL NOT OUT SELL THE PS. That was already decided. You get to cheer and bask in the comfort that you are in the majority, and just like everyone else. Feel better?

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#76 slim70
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If Uncharted 4 flops is the PS4 dead?

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#77 onesiphorus
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It will not flop, but if it does, it will not spell the end of the Xbox brand due to the fact that not every Xbox user plays Halo.

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#78 cainetao11
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@iandizion713 said:

Xbox cant be killed. NA is carrying Xbox all by itself, its freakin scary. Sony has the whole world and is still not all that much ahead of Xbox. Im not sure how they do it, but Microsoft has a very dedicated fan base.

I can tell you how it wins support from the US armed forces. They sent free HD monitors and consoles for rec rooms on forward operating bases. Sony and Nintendo didn't and we never blamed them because they aren't American companies. But things like that spoke volumes to many who served.

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@gpuking said:

Who buys a 720p in late 2015?

Hopefully they improve the resolution when the game is finished.

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#80  Edited By tushar172787
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@sailor232 said:

I have enjoyed every Halo, yes even 4, I don't see what is so wrong about it. I am a single player gamer so I just want Halo 5 for the story, and since it's Halo I can tell it will be a good single player experience. People that hate on win8 are dicks, install one application that takes the user 1 minute and you can have the same experience as win7 but better, faster speeds, lower resources. Microsoft is not going to die, they own 90% of the OS market. Keep praying for it though, it's good to have something to hope towards I suppose.

100% correct

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#81 deactivated-5a30e101a977c
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Lol Halo 5 flopping, good one

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#82 vtoshkatur
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What I played of Halo 4 on my buddy's 360 was very impressive. It was fun to play and really pushed the 360 hardware. Back on topic Halo 5 won't flop and even if it did Microsoft isn't exiting the console market.

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#83  Edited By SecretPolice
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If it flops on GS, hahaha, No, not dead and I'm guessing the way GS ( WeHateX1Spot ) treated MCC and FH2, they likely will flop Halo 5.

. If it flops for real, I mean like it sucks and most of the Halo fan base thinks it's a smelly turd, than quite possibly yes, it will give a whole new meaning to the term... Burry the Bone. :P

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#84 davem1992
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If it flops (it won't) then it'd be a HUGE slap in the face for MS, no one wants their biggest IP flopping.

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#85 deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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If Halo 5 flops? blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's like saying if Uncharted 4 flops. Dude get off the crack.

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#86 Dark_man123
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It depends on what you would consider as a flop, Halo 5 could score high AA here and be a flop to console fanboys regardless if it's still an overall solid game or it could flop in sales which is really unlikely. I think they have learned their lesson with the MCC collection, we should probably wait for e3 for some single player gameplay action, I think halo 5 is going to be a must have game this coming October for the xbox one.

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#87 Krelian-co
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@BigShotSmoov007 said:

If Halo 5 flops? blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's like saying if Uncharted 4 flops. Dude get off the crack.

We all know that wouldn't happen right?

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#88 l34052
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@BigShotSmoov007 said:

Pointless post cause there is 0% chance of Halo 5 flopping.

And it was a foregone conclusion that the titanic would reach new york too....

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#89  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@Krelian-co said:

@BigShotSmoov007 said:

If Halo 5 flops? blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's like saying if Uncharted 4 flops. Dude get off the crack.

We all know that wouldn't happen right?

Hmmmmm 1 review and what was the MetaScore for Halo MCC? Can you look that up for me cause 1 sites review doesn't make a game be a flop? Besides you talking about a remake of 4 games that's been played to death by all Halo fans to a brand new Halo game that they all are waiting for flopping? C'mon now, let's get real.

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#90 iambatman7986
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Halo 5 flopping would probably kill the already tarnished Halo name, but the X1 would survive. I personally think CoD already took a huge step toward killing Halo back in 2007 when Halo 3 came out and then everyone I knew stopped playing the Halo 3 multiplayer to go play CoD4:MW. Then with Halo 4 being just so-so, MCC being a colossal fail at launch and for months to follow, and the Halo 5 beta feeling like CoD reskinned with Halo characters. I don't have high hopes for Halo 5. I'm not sure 343 was the right studio to take the reigns, but I truly hope I'm wrong because Halo was one of my favorite franchises and my main reasoning for owning an X1.

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#91  Edited By blackace
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@MonsieurX said:

Xbox is already dead

Only to biased PS4 fanboys who don't own one. Meantime, the millions of other gamers continue to enjoy the XB1 and it's games. Funny how all that works out.

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@jsmoke03 said:

nope. not gonna flop...and theres always gears

and Tomb Raider, Crackdown, Quantum Break, Scalebound, etc..etc...

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#92 QuadKnight
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No because the Xbox brand is already dead.

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#93 ProtossX
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@blackace said:

@MonsieurX said:

Xbox is already dead

Only to biased PS4 fanboys who don't own one. Meantime, the millions of other gamers continue to enjoy the XB1 and it's games. Funny how all that works out.

I own one and its dead to me so im one of the millions who its dead to

MCC was broken all the games going to pc i dont like racing games so i never wanted any forza game so dont speak up for me one of ppl who owns it that its doing fine right now

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#94 kingtito
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@ProtossX said:

@blackace said:

@MonsieurX said:

Xbox is already dead

Only to biased PS4 fanboys who don't own one. Meantime, the millions of other gamers continue to enjoy the XB1 and it's games. Funny how all that works out.

I own one and its dead to me so im one of the millions who its dead to

MCC was broken all the games going to pc i dont like racing games so i never wanted any forza game so dont speak up for me one of ppl who owns it that its doing fine right now

No one believes you dude so give it up. Your reputation for being a liar is well deserved.

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#95  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@ProtossX said:

@blackace said:

@MonsieurX said:

Xbox is already dead

Only to biased PS4 fanboys who don't own one. Meantime, the millions of other gamers continue to enjoy the XB1 and it's games. Funny how all that works out.

I own one and its dead to me so im one of the millions who its dead to

MCC was broken all the games going to pc i dont like racing games so i never wanted any forza game so dont speak up for me one of ppl who owns it that its doing fine right now

Dude you really need to learn how to use periods and commas. Your sentences sound retarded. Trolls don't use punctuations?

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#96 RossRichard
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Halo could flop, it is being made by 343 after all.

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#97 AgentA-Mi6
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The game will sell on brand name alone, like Call of Duty and Battlefield, except this one is exclusive. Not much to talk about.

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#98  Edited By SolidTy
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M$ is going to throw a quarter of a billion dollars at the 343 developed game. There will be TV ads, billboards, slurpies, posters, magazine ads, comics, toys, and $250 collector's editions everywhere.

Halo 5's marketing blitz budget will be higher than many other game studios development costs. M$ won't let this game go out to die, it's going to be paraded around.

It won't flop...but the long-term sales may not be nearly as amazing as Bungie developed Halo games looking at what happened after the 343 Halo 4 hooplah in the beginning wore off and word of mouth about Halo 4 spread. The prices on Halo 4 shot down fast too, fastest I've ever seen in a Halo title.

Then looking at the more recent MasterChief Collection Hooplah and now you can buy the game new for $30 and it just came out last year at Xmas. Dropping, dropping, dropping.

343 just isn't old Bungie. New Bungie isn't even all that, but 343 can't even fill their shoes and they desperately want too. They also would love to hit the 90+ mwtacritic club and they haven't. It's a major goal from 343's head Bonnie Ross.

Anyways, Halo 5 won't flop, but the series is losing it's pristine image and shine with gamers. It does help not to have a lot of great games on the system though, people are starving for a major awesome game.

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#99 vashkey
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No and no. I'm pretty sure the Xbox One has already sold too many units to just collapse based purely on the failure of one game.

And I think is Sonic could endure ten years of flopping(I'd argue more) I think Halo could survive what ever Halo 5 does, although I doubt Halo 5 could be worse than just sort of plain.

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#100 Krelian-co
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@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@Krelian-co said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

If Halo 5 flops? blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's like saying if Uncharted 4 flops. Dude get off the crack.

We all know that wouldn't happen right?

Hmmmmm 1 review and what was the MetaScore for Halo MCC? Can you look that up for me cause 1 sites review doesn't make a game be a flop? Besides you talking about a remake of 4 games that's been played to death by all Halo fans to a brand new Halo game that they all are waiting for flopping? C'mon now, let's get real.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/system-wars-survival-guide-2-0-forum-guidelines-an-31089433/#0

"The Metagame tracks which platform holds the most amount of exclusives, and thus when you see a big exclusive game meet its hype or perhaps flop, there is always a large amount of hoopla in the forums. One important caveat in this is that only Gamespot reviews count, and second opinions on Gamespot reviews hold no bearing. To read more about the Metagame, check out Ninja-Hippo's thread here or check out theofficial SystemWars spreadsheet that showcases the exclusive count (Hippo's spreadsheet has been replaced)."

Glad you can read, mmmk?