How do you feel about the Scorpio?

Personally, I'm for it. The fact that it is completely BC with the Xbox One puts me on board even more. The Xbone is a failure plain and simple and this new console is the right decision for them. Hell I might even buy my multiplats on it now since confirmed that Xbone titles could be enhanced on it. All our accessories will be compatible with it for crying out loud. That's something we really only see from Nintendo.

I do think this console is the console we've been asking for. The fact that are listening will probably force Sony to do a completely BC console too with the PS5. For the record, I think the Neo is Sony version of the Xbone S and not Scorpio. This is a next generation console and not an Xbox One 1.5.

Couldn't care less.

Day 1. So hype

Hyped, it's because of the Sony fanboys that we will get it. They complained that the xbox one was too limited. Well here you go peeps, it will even been more powerfull then sony's console for sure and lol at the rumor that sony wont tell anything about the next PS. As always they are too scared

I dont need it or the neo. I would rather get a pc if they want me to upgrade. Consoles shouldnt be iterative

There is already a thread on this.

Indifferent.

Full backwards compatibility with games and accessories is what sold me on it. Curious about the price I hope it's not too high, but I'm all for it I spend a lot of money on gaming and next year will be no different.... it's not the console price that kills my wallet it's all the games I buy monthly, and now all those will carry over to the Scorpio.

Good luck to Sony by the way, going to watch their conference in a bit....I expect more great new games to be announced.

This video sums it up for me:

I feel like it's a huge turd on X1 owners.
This and the PS4.5 are so forced. Almost nothing necessitates purchasing this new console.

At least Sony has VR as an excuse to market theirs.

Until Sony specifies what they're doing with Neo, it's the most impressive piece of console tech there is bar none, and they were right to properly target actual 4K rendering and not skirt it with any type of reprojection or upscaling.

LOL Good one. I was thinking the same thing.

I'll get it day 1, but it's not like I'm crazy out of my mind for it.

Doubt I'll get it. I rather get the Xbox One S and just use my PC for 4K gaming.

Highly skeptical of the "native" 4K gaming resolutions at a console price, even if it launched at $600.

@Legend002: I really don't see Sony sticking to their 'no bc' trend. I'm sure Neo and whatever the PS5 ends up will be fully compatible with PS4/Neo/VR.

@Legend002: If you think the Scorpio is not an Xbone.5, and is more a new Xbox, that means that the poor xbone's life is getting cut short. 2013 -2017 is four years.

Bummer. A bad scenario for Xbone supporters and fans if that is the case.

However, if the Scorpio is the Xbone.5, that would surely be a lot better for me as an xbone owner since I can rely on not having to buy a new Xbox machine so soon.

What I liked about the Neo was that it was a PS4.5, and not the PS5, so the PS4 support stays there. Once the PS5 hits, the PS4 will be on the outs and it's too early for that. Also, the NEO/PS4K/PS4.5 was rumored to be an enhanced PS4 which was fine with me which meant it was a PS4+, and was going to continue to work as a PS4 and then some.

I am not interested personally in owning the NEO or Scorpio, as I'm happy with my PS4 and Xbone.

I was iffy on it at first, but it seems like Microsoft is doing everything right with it, so I'm now excited for it. I'll be trading in my Xbox One for it when it is released.

You'll get it day one?

What does that mean for you as an Xbone owner?

When you compare how long you had an Xbone and how long you had a 360, do you feel you are being asked to upgrade too soon?

To give you my side of it, I've had my Xbone since launch 2013, and I'm not getting a Scorpio day one. I am happy and want to see the Xbone continue and see no reason to buy a Scorpio (no reason was presented at the conference on why I would want one either).

Why would i bother when i can play all MS games on PC? Its pretty much a steam machine now because all it does is play pc games.

I'm pretty excited for it. Plan on buying day 1.

I'll get it day 1 and move my Halo 5 X1 upstairs.

I wonder what is the price going to be.

Yeah the most powerful console ever made! Awwww Yeaaaaaah!!!!

I'm not looking forward to the hardware leap frogging this will start.

The original Xbox to 360 was 4 years and that was fine

Great piece of hardware. Still lacks games.

No, it wasn't fine.

I had major issues with the 3rd party and 1st party support through that generation as well, especially that last year (2005) which I and many others here spoke about the early demise of the OG Xbox in SW in 2005 actually. The four years length was no good, and that last Xbox 1 OG year was the worst of the years in terms of support, as a lot of previous projects shifted to the 360. To be honest, the first three years were the real years of the OG Xbox, and that fourth year was rough. To go through that again for the Xbone, doesn't bode well. Look at the Wii U situation now, and the NX isn't even out yet. I'd expect the same thing to happen to Xbone projects shifting to become Scorpio projects, just like GC projects that became Wii games, and Wii games that became Wii U games, and Wii U games that will become NX games (same for PS2 to PS3 to PS4, etc). That's how the cookie crumbles in the final year of a machine when on the eve of a new launch.

I never imagined after waiting in line in Nov 2004 for Halo 2, that was going to be the last and best game released for the OG Xbox 1 ever and that a new Xbox machine was to be released exactly one year later. None of us knew that while buying 2004's Halo 2.

I would link you conversations if old 2005 SW threads hadn't been purged, which is a huge shame, since SW was far bigger and more relevant on the internet back in 2005.

A lot of original Xbox 1 gamers were disappointed with the early demise of the original Xbox 1, but were happy to see the 360 at least.

I'm definitely not on board with the early demise of the Xbone in lieu of a new Xbox in 2017, but I'm all for it by 2018-2020.

Remember too, a year in console time is a very long time, so losing years off a machine a big deal, especially for those that plunked $500 to "jump in".

This is why I believe the Scorpio is an Xbone.5, I really hope so.

If it's a cheaper option for viable 4K than I'm willing to spend on a PC by then, then yep.

I'm excited.

I think that is what they're going to target, PC levels of graphics, settings and fidelity for a fraction of the price, I see them taking a loss on this initially that will become a large gain.

Day 1.

So far it sound promising.Could be my first ever Xbox console.

My problem is MS's first party because it clearly is the weakest of the three.

Really happy about I switched from 360 to a PS4 this gen due to shenanigans of the Xbox One at launch. Day 1 purchase for me and will get to play HALO and Gears.

As long as it is BC with Xbox one games I will buy it. The thing needs better first party games that are not Halo and gears. I know they are trying but the new ips they have started this gen look like they won't be here to stay.

Definitely will get it for superior multiplats and possibly a few exclusives. My OG PS4 will be good enough for exclusives.

Are they going to make games exclusively for Xbone 1.5, though? I mean, wouldn't that piss off a lot of the old console owners? I know I'd be pissed if I owned one.

To achieve a high fidelity of graphics, they will have to sacrifice either dev time or release exclusives. Because, as we see it now, even PC games that are shared with the Xbone aren't up to par with what we can achieve even on a 970 GTX.

For it, in my eyes MS has done a lot to try to recover from their reveal fiasco but gamers don't care, what they need is a clean slate, a new console that focuses on raw power I feel this is that opportunity. But, that strength might also be at risk announcing this early, Sony can always revise rumored Neo plans, after all they haven't set anything in stone yet.

Already have a PC. More hyped about those PS4 games.

I'll get it. They should have charged $7-800 and made this one in the first place. I dont really have much of an issue with this gen being short for either console. Consoles are basically becoming prefab gaming rigs and you generally replace the GPU in your rig every 4 years so I dont see much difference. People just need to accept that either the gens will be shorter or the boxes will have to cost more.

I also dont see announcing first as an issue because they set the specs high enough this time to where I wouldnt care if the other system went back to the drawing board and had more power. Scorpio has more than enough for what I need it for. Arguing the difference between a 1080 and a 1070 which is roughly where it will be now if they made Neo more powerful is kind of mostly dick wagging to me since I dont really care about 4k gaming.

All in all MS has pieced themselved back into a good position. Working with the underpowered console forced them to address other issues and fan concerns/requests like the social interface upgrades, BC and uniplatform crossplay all of which makes it a more appealing.

If they can fix the Windows Store and give us a version of windows where I can install my kb/m pc games on it even better.

Make it happen MS.

I'm quite impressed by it. As an X1 gamer, would i rush to buy it on launch day? Absolutely not. Currently I'm all good with the X1.

I would, however, buy the Scorpio when I direly need to such as my current X1 crapping out on me or Scorpio games are exclusively released on it. I also am very impressed by its BC features for X1 games and peripherals.

Truly MS have learned their lesson from E32013 and May 21st reveal of that year.

Scorpio is indeed a redemption for MS.

I feel like they're telling a story that can't be true. So I'm very cautious about it. We could be looking at a $1500+ console if this thing is that powerful. I mean 40k 60fps powerful not 6 teraflops powerful.
For me the Scorpio is no big deal because everything is coming to PC which was maybe the best news from E3 so far. I think it's a good move for all of us.
The new controller could be good. MS makes some good controllers for PC.

Many Xbox fans and many non Xbox fans were demanding a more powerful Xbox for awhile now, then boom, MS is giving them the most powerful console ever. The fact they are already working with developers to mold this beast is amazing. The fact they confirmed the new hardware and show it in their conference shows their confidence that it will deliver. Unlike the competition that confirmed new hardware but was a no show, shows lack of confidence. I feel good about the Scorpio and the Xbox One S is tempting too.

Look, I have mixed feelings about it... on the one hand I'm happy with my XB1 atm like you are. But on the other hand, I think it'll be awesome to have that extra power. Plus I have a 4K TV, so that's a bonus.

Also, with everything carrying over to Scorpio (games & accessories), it makes me feel a lot better about it. If it had been like past gens, where I would be starting over, then I'd be very pissed and wouldn't do it.

Smart move for Microsoft IMO.

With the move to Scropio being supposedly seamless, I can see the migration to the new system being the most painless console upgrade ever.

Neo seems already set. There isn't a lot they can do however I think whats missing here is that Neo is sony's .5 console (scraped slim version). They can start there next gen version that will compete with Scorpio.

XBO already has 363 mm^2 size chip with GPU consuming 160 mm^2 (minus ESRAM).

For comparison

Xbox 360's GPU = 180 mm^2 (minus EDRAM)

R9-285/380/380X GPU = 366 mm^2

RX-480 (Polaris 10) = 232 mm^2 14 nm FinFET

7850/7870 = 212 mm^2

PS4's GPU = ~212 mm^2

NEO's GPU = ~232 mm^2 14 nm FinFET

1st gen PS3's GPU = 258 mm^2

Have you notice the pattern with chip sizes?

28 nm version Polaris 10 would be around 440 mm^2

R9-290X GPU = 438 mm^2

If XBO cost $700 to $800

Do you want XBO's install base to be ~7.5 million after 2.5 years?

AMD Jaguar CPU at 1.75 Ghz would NOT be enough to drive R9-290X class GPU.

AMD Steamroller CPU module's size is large i.e. ~7.8mm^2 vs Jaguar's 3.1mm^2

AMD ZEN CPU is not ready in 2013.

I believe MS said that the Scorpio was meant to work alongside the XB1 in much the same way the Neo is supposed to work alongside the PS4.

Those saying that the Neo will compete with the Xbox One S, while the Scorpio will compete with the PS5 are only fooling themselves. The Neo, and Scorpio are both being developed currently, and both will likely launch in 2017.

The Scorpio and Neo will compete with each other period, with the Scorpio likely being much more powerful. Sony fans are just going to have to get used to playing on inferior hardware yet again. Xbox fans have had enough of it over the last few years.