How did Kirby get an 8.5 if you can't die?

This has been gnawing at me for some time now, how can you give a game such a high score if you can't die? where is the challenge?

moreover, I feel that if any non-nintendo franchise did this first it would have been heavully criticized for it by the critics, certainly it would have not gotten the high scores that Kirby got across the board

Prince of Persia was the same tho. The game is about light hearted fun, not challenge.locopatho

Seems like the kind of game that should be wiiware, i sure as hell wouldn't buy this for 50

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Prince of Persia was the same tho. The game is about light hearted fun, not challenge.ohthemanatee

You can't. You also can't die in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, and that got 8.5.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Prince of Persia was the same tho. The game is about light hearted fun, not challenge.waltefmoney

You can't. You also can't die in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, and that got 8.5.

seriously? you can't? doesn't that just kill a game?

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Prince of Persia was the same tho. The game is about light hearted fun, not challenge.ohthemanatee

But that game only got an 8.0 on here anyway.

there is no such game where you can die really. I mean, in a mario game if you screw up you just have to start the level over again. Why not just cut out the part where you have to walk all the way to the spot where you screwed up? GunSmith1_basic

Challenge is not gauged simply by whether or not you die. Wario Land 3, one of the best GBC games made IMO, was incredibly challenging but you didn't die. The challenge was in finishing the level and solving puzzles. Furthermore, not all games need challenge to be ridiculously fun. Not all games have to be about competition, that's a very simple outlook on the gaming genre. The game is incredibly fun, thus, it gets an 8.5. Assassin's Creed II was beyond easy but it's still one of my favorite games of 2009.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Prince of Persia was the same tho. The game is about light hearted fun, not challenge.shinrabanshou

But that game only got an 8.0 on here anyway.

well, I have been checking metacritic and there is a pretty big difference between banjo, prince of persia (the 360 and PC versions anyway) and scores that Kirby got.

Maybe i'm just tired platformers, but if you can't die in a game it pretty much kills it for me

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]there is no such game where you can die really. I mean, in a mario game if you screw up you just have to start the level over again. Why not just cut out the part where you have to walk all the way to the spot where you screwed up? ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]there is no such game where you can die really. I mean, in a mario game if you screw up you just have to start the level over again. Why not just cut out the part where you have to walk all the way to the spot where you screwed up? locopatho

so you're implying nintendo doesn't have challenging games? I think Legend of zelda and metroid would like to dispute that

There's really not much different between a game where you can't die, and a game that bleeds extra lives, or has a lot of checkpoints per level. Most platformers these days fall under one of those categories.

well, I have been checking metacritic and there is a pretty big difference between banjo, prince of persia (the 360 and PC versions anyway) and scores that Kirby got.

Maybe i'm just tired platformers, but if you can't die in a game it pretty much kills it for me

ohthemanatee

Awww. So cute. :oops:

"The Bad" in the PoP review: "The new prince isn't a good leading man." Clearly he needed to be a tad more adorable.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] because games are holding your hand too much as it is?ohthemanatee

so you're implying nintendo doesn't have challenging games? I think Legend of zelda and metroid would like to dispute that

There's really not much different between a game where you can't die, and a game that bleeds extra lives, or has a lot of checkpoints per level. Most platformers these days fall under one of those categories.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] So go play Halo on Legendary or something, no point looking for challenge in the happy world of Nintendo!locopatho

so you're implying nintendo doesn't have challenging games? I think Legend of zelda and metroid would like to dispute that

It's possible, I haven't played a Zelda or metroid game since the gamecube, but at least I can attest that they were not a cakewalk

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

There's really not much different between a game where you can't die, and a game that bleeds extra lives, or has a lot of checkpoints per level. Most platformers these days fall under one of those categories.

ohthemanatee

If you are looking for hard platformers, try the indie scene. Super Meat Boy is supposed to have significant challenge.

This is starting to smell of baiting.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so you're implying nintendo doesn't have challenging games? I think Legend of zelda and metroid would like to dispute that

ohthemanatee

It's possible, I haven't played a Zelda or metroid game since the gamecube, but at least I can attest that they were not a cakewalk

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

There's really not much different between a game where you can't die, and a game that bleeds extra lives, or has a lot of checkpoints per level. Most platformers these days fall under one of those categories.

jimkabrhel

If you are looking for hard platformers, try the indie scene. Super Meat Boy is supposed to have significant challenge.

This is starting to smell of baiting.

isn't super meat boy the opposite end of the spectrum? I'm not looking for a "I wanna be the guy" type game, just something in between

Dying makes me a sad panda :(

isn't super meat boy the opposite end of the spectrum? I'm not looking for a "I wanna be the guy" type game, just something in between

ohthemanatee

Also as noted below there's always Nintendo's other staples. Maybe DKCR will be challenging.

isn't super meat boy the opposite end of the spectrum? I'm not looking for a "I wanna be the guy" type game, just something in between

ohthemanatee

Go with Mario.

This game was made for kids not for gamers

This game was made for kids not for gamers

Zurrur

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

This game was made for kids not for gamers

nintendoboy16

That one was made for people coming off the effects of general anaesthetics.

When is death a requirement for a good score? Anyway, there's plenty of challenge in the game. Collecting all the beads, all the treasures, unlocking all the worlds, getting all the furniture and decorating all the apartments. Plenty of stuff to find in the game that could make it take a while to get through.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] but you CAN die right?ohthemanatee

You can't. You also can't die in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, and that got 8.5.

seriously? you can't? doesn't that just kill a game?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

You can't. You also can't die in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, and that got 8.5.

DragonfireXZ95

seriously? you can't? doesn't that just kill a game?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

seriously? you can't? doesn't that just kill a game?

travisstaggs

[QUOTE="travisstaggs"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You can die in Prince of Persia... DragonfireXZ95

How did Fable get an 8.5 when you couldnt die, AND it was terrible beyond belief.

That's the real question here ...

[QUOTE="travisstaggs"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You can die in Prince of Persia... DragonfireXZ95

I thought that chick saved you every time your health is low?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="travisstaggs"] Technically, no, not in 2008 one. Elika saves you from death every time.waltefmoney

I thought that chick saved you every time your health is low?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="travisstaggs"] Technically, no, not in 2008 one. Elika saves you from death every time.waltefmoney

I thought that chick saved you every time your health is low?

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I'm fairly certain bosses can kill you.

shinrabanshou

I thought that chick saved you every time your health is low?

Challenge should NEVER come before fun in games. That's what games are for: FUN

But if you want a challenge, there are tons of challenging games this gen you could play if you're up for a challenge.

How did Fable get an 8.5 when you couldnt die, AND it was terrible beyond belief.

That's the real question here ...

-Snooze-

Isn't Bioshock 1 the same? That one got a 9.0 here at GS.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] but you CAN die right?ohthemanatee

You can't. You also can't die in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, and that got 8.5.

seriously? you can't? doesn't that just kill a game?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

How did Fable get an 8.5 when you couldnt die, AND it was terrible beyond belief.

That's the real question here ...

ohthemanatee

No more so then in Prince Of Persia

Ok, you can "die" but you're back alive with full health less then a second later. Infact it makes more sense to "die" then to use your health potions

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

How did Fable get an 8.5 when you couldnt die, AND it was terrible beyond belief.

That's the real question here ...

-Snooze-

No more so then in Prince Of Persia

Ok, you can "die" but you're back alive with full health less then a second later. Infact it makes more sense to "die" then to use your health potions